Just a Face and a Caption: Useful Notes.Green Is Blue

Green Is Blue has two images, one of which is Just A Glare And A Caption. Permission to clear?

(The second picture is a little better, but I could see an argument that it isn't useful either.)

Wait, how is this a trope?

Paragraph 4?

But it's not a storytelling convention, or used to convey extra information to the audience. It's just something that happens and has no meaning. But the rest of the page is precisely the sort of thing Useful Notes is for.

In favor of pulling the eye picture as it's entirely reliant on the caption to explain wtf it is about.

(And I find it funny when the examples goes into long, rambling details about Fox' eyes... When this is a series where Peppy changes fur color and face in-between installments - as does Falco for the later).

edited 22nd Apr '13 4:10:07 PM by Ghilz

It's sort of similar to Purple Is the New Black. I think it could go either way, really, but that would be a topic for TRS.

My vote is to kill the Fox image and make this a Useful Notes page.

The description goes three paragraphs of useful noteness before it even tries to say there's tropeness. "Cull Fox pic + make it a Useful Note" sounds like a good proposal to me.

Ghliz: XD

Take Tod behind the shed and turn the page into a Useful Notes article.

So no one's buying paragraph 4's justification?

Nobody cares, because this is Image Pickin', not Trope Repair Shop.

Er, never mind. Misread.

edited 23rd Apr '13 9:35:00 AM by ShadowHog

I am buying it. The image makes little sense to me, though.

Considering at least half of the discussion so far is about turning this into a Useful Note, I'd say plenty of people care.

No, I'm not buying it. There's no narrative purpose to the fact that some Japanese people apparently mistake blue for green sometimes. That's still not a trope. Useful Notes, sure, I can get behind that.

"purpose" is not a requirement for tropeworthiness; "convention" can also be a trope.

Anyhow, do we officially deem this a TRS business or do we continue with a dual business?

Let's finish it as a dual business.

I don't see tropeworthiness in paragraph 4. It basically says "Because of this, characters in Japanese media sometimes have their eyes switch color randomly. But the eye color switch doesn't mean anything."

My vote is cut the fox picture and make the page a Useful Notes.

edited 23rd Apr '13 10:31:26 AM by Madrugada

Well, I'm not going to disagree with our resident fox expert (or expert fox) on the topic of foxes, so you have my vote.

You know, this would probably be better titled Green Is A Shade Of Blue.

Not even, I think. This is about how some cultures do not have any distinction between green and blue, either because they think of the color as being the same, or because they think of one color as a shade/hue/tint of the other. So sometimes there's ambiguity present to what color we're talking about. This has no relevance to a pattern in media. It's not intentional and it's purely technical. Definitely better as a Useful Notes—in fact, I'd say it's ideal. To me, Useful Notes are about helping tropers to understand some patterns by presenting the reasoning for some things in a historical or technical light. In this case, this trope helps people understand why some media, particularly Japanese, doesn't seem to make distinctions between the colors.

Oh yeah, and the images are pretty bad. The second image works for a Useful Notes page, not a trope page.

What? I agree that it belong in Useful Notes more than being a trope, I just think adding the word "shade" in there captures the meaning better. They're not green-blue colorblind or whatever. They just have a word for blue that also covers green.

edited 23rd Apr '13 12:47:25 PM by Clarste

Oh, I was just remarking on the fact that this trope isn't even that clear in what it includes (which is any kind of green-blue confusion), not criticizing your name choice. I realize the irony of being really ambiguous while commenting about ambiguity. Sorry. :)

Wait, did I accidentally stumble into TRS while looking through Image Pickin' threads?

edited 23rd Apr '13 1:58:55 PM by AnotherDuck

Yes, apparently.

I'm not really sure how a multicolored Chinese character that most people on here can't read is more illustrative of this than a fox with eyes that seem both blue and green.

A lot of a lot of people don't notice subtle color stuff like that. They just glance at it, see the fox face with eyes somewhere in the blue/green range of the spectrum, and move on.

It also doesn't really illustrate that one word is used for two colours. It just shows two colours.