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Finished So That's How It Is, and all I can say is poor Oscar, he didn't deserve to get decked by Qrow or get yelled at by Yang. Also concerned about Ozpin being the one crying because that's when you know things are serious.

Dead End really showcases the differences between Yang and Jaune being mad at Oscar. Yang blames Oscar for something that's not his fault, and snipes at Maria. Jaune raises a valid point, then comes to his senses and leaves the situation before it can escalate any further.

I forgot Lost was a feels episode. Jaune acknowledging that he was in the wrong and that he overreacted, even apologizing to Oscar, is good. Yang not apologizing at all is bad and probably worthy of a rant or two, and Ruby's "we don't need adults" speech is as Narmy as ever.

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harostar: I will said ironwood can have good graps with soldider: people he see on the field, remeber he seen more compasive to yang that qrow when she was dsiquilified(contrast with Qrow who sound dismisive and call her crazy after she mention raven), is civil leadership that get him in trouble, specially in a secret war when you have to mantain aparience and actually try to get who you can trust, if things were so bad, James could learn some thing or two.

Well is also a sort of values dissonance: he expect them to help him to carry out is plan, not to hunt salem, meanwhile RWBY always have being a sort of free team who are "encorage" to do things by ozpin and them be guide to the next place, volume 7 is a show that they cant do just "let go were the adult said and do it" anymore.

Edited by unknowing on Aug 10th 2020 at 10:32:04 AM

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Yang yelled for Oscar to bring out Ozpin. Jaune manhandled the kid and nearly hit him. One is more in need of an apology then another.

Edited by Ohmknight on Aug 11th 2020 at 1:11:15 AM

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Correction. Yang yelled at an injured and innocent kid and attempted to pick a fight with Maria just for trying to calm everyone down.

Jaune didn't try to hit Oscar. He had him pressed to a wall and was shaking him, and even he realized he was going too far the moment Ruby called out his name, hence his look of My God, What Have I Done? before going up the stairs.

Yang knew Oscar wasn't to blame yet yelled at him to drag Ozpin out, taking her frustration out on the injured and clearly distressed kid.

Jaune thought it wasn't Oscar and that it was just Ozpin pretending to be Oscar out of paranoia, and his regret came from the fact he was taking his anger out on someone who didn't deserve it.

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In short: Jaune at that moment though Ozpin was hiding in a cowardly way, yang was trying to get him out so he can hit him.

Is a problem witn yang: she have anger issues......

Again, the more I think of bumblebee the more unconfortable it become.

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Having anger issues and being willing to actually hurt or gaslight the people you care about are not the same thing. The show has had scenes like the one in volume 7 where she displays she is most certainly not going in Adams direction.

Heck while I agree Yang has issues to work with, even the Oscar thing, she's not displaying anger towards Oscar, she's telling him to bring Ozpin back because she dosent know this is something more serious then before. Jaune explicitly was directing anger towards Oscar, pushing him and accusing him of being Ozpin the whole time.

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That's another of my issues with the pairing aside from being poorly written. It's that, even if it was better written, they'd really need to see a therapist before pursuing a romantic relationship.

• Yang's got a boatload of issues such as anger, abandonment, PTSD, and possibly even some bipolar disorder considering how quickly she changes moods some times. She's also genuinely unstable at times and judgmental overall.
• And while Blake has been working on her issues thanks to Ghira, Kali, and Sun, she still suffers from PTSD (particularly invoking These Hands Have Killed after being forced to kill Adam), carries a massive guilt complex (not just with Yang, but in general) and very low self-esteem aiding in signs of depression.

A combination of people with those issues is a recipe for disaster, especially since a more cynical interpretation of their Declaration of Protection could be that they're codependent (I wouldn't go that far myself since they do disagree on things still, but it could still be seen as the starting point)

They're enough to fill an entire Dysfunction Junction on their own.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Aug 10th 2020 at 1:42:53 PM

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She dosent need to be equal Adam in any way, is the fact Blake is barely getting over a absuive relationship with one guy with terrible impulse control, specially since he have to kill him(I still think that Blake really want Adam to get over and be better).

Specially because person who get out of abusve sometimes mirror their abuser or in the case of woman, sometimes they date with people similar to them because is all they know, this make bumblebee indeed somewhat codependent.

If anything I dont mind they havent confirm the ship because both need tons of healing before doing that first.

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The idea that yang and Blake are unhealthy for that reason is what I'm arguing against.

The point of Adam and Yangs Simmularities is that Adam is a Shadow Archetype to Yang in some ways, and Yang has shown herself to be avoiding growing into someone like him, When Blake in volume 7 talks to Yang about the subject of Violence 'For the greater good' she hears Blake out and they work out something else. Contrasting Adam who would gaslight Blake when she confronted him about things.

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That's great and all but it doesn't change the fact they still have issues and would be better off seeking therapy and counseling before fully pursuing a relationship. Even if they are trying to get over their issues, relapses are a thing, and it would be in their best interest to try and get as good a grip on their issues as they can before anything happens. Yang in particular since while Blake is already working on this, Yang is still a slave to her emotions and issues, to the point that even her own VA is noting these as major flaws of Yang's.

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That is an assumption. There was no proof that Yang was going to hit Oscar. Plus, saying that Yang was trying to pick a fight with Maria is a bit of an exaggeration. Yes, Yang was showing anger but there was no reason to believe that Yang was actually picking a fight with her.

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Specially because as we see, blake just got from a mesys relationship and when that happen often people try to find someone similar to the last person, yang is not like adam(granted we dont know how adam was before) but she is still to judgmental, agresive and confrontational to be in a relationship.

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Yang is working on them too, the point of the Adam fight and other moments is to show how Yang has made progress with her emotions, that dosent mean her issues have disappeared but she has made progress.

If nothing else my main point is nothing indicates they'd be toxic to eachother in a relationship.

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And that is why I like that the relationship is slow, they care for one another, and obviously have some feelings for one another but they are still putting a pause on the discussion until they finish dealing with the immediate issues. About the counselling thing, It is truthfully a problem I have with many series where children deal with world-ending threats and yet they don't get therapy or meet a psychologist. That's why the trope "There Are No Therapists" exists.

BTW, how does one create a link through writing the words?

Edited by Ohmknight on Aug 11th 2020 at 2:36:32 AM

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But of course, as evident by their flirting and confiding in each other. But there are other forms of toxicity. The willingness to disregard ones safety in favor of protecting another, the ability to rationalize actions by saying it is for the benefit of someone else, the lengths one is willing to go to in the name of defending someone. Love is an inherently fragile and unstable concept, and the saying "Love is Blind" applies to more than just being blind to someone's flaws, it means being blind to one's own flaws. "If they say that love is blind then help me out cause I can't see".

There's also the idea that they may inadvertently enable each others issues, either by blinding themselves to their being a problem, or feeling they have no choice but to support the other out of their love for them. And considering the issues they have, they don't even need to be aware of it, just by being themselves they can easily enable their issues and not realize it.

Let us not forget after all what one of the contributing factors was behind The Lost Fable: a broken's woman's love driving her to stand against the gods if it meant being with her love again.

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While that is possible, there will still be others that can keep watch over them and do a "What the hell, Hero?" if they feel that they BY are enabling one another.

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So far that's just speculation tho

I also wouldn't call Salems problem/only motive being so she 'can be with Ozma again', Atleast after awhile, if that's what her main motive was then she'd likely just try to do as the gods said to undo her curse, Jinns dialogue says that she wanted to break the curse but if that didnt work out then she could at least make the gods suffer.

Her main flaw seems to have just been she's really stubborn

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I said one of the factors behind, not only. The entire situation started because of that before the situation expanded and acquired numerous other variables to contributed to the absolute clusterfuck.

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How do y'all think Qrow Robyn and Ironwoods meeting in volume 8 is gonna go.

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At the very least a punch to the face will happen. And maybe a Groin Attack on Ironwood's iron wood.

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Well, if they do end up turning Bumblebee on its head, their insistence on fighting together and not branching out could prove to be their Fatal Flaw when someone ends up seeing their patterns and predict their movements, tying back to what Tai said about Yang's fighting style in Volume 4.

I was kind of hoping a moment like 2:21 happened with someone and Ironwood

https://youtu.be/A9vzZa8TsKM

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I'm somewhat thinking of a Bittersweet Ending where they fail to save both Atlas and Mantle, only salvaging the continent of Solitas to be reforged into a new Kingdom, but with the overall message being that, if everyone had been clear with each other from the start, this wouldn't have come down to it.

Maybe even have Salem bring up that the reason she never does things herself is because it's fun seeing people tear each other apart even when they're supposed to be on the same side.

My issue with that is more or less that, while the show teaches about how division and in fighting with each other is bad, another aspect of the show is how there are situations where one side is the reason that solutions can't be done and dosent just go 'Both Sides'(Robyn was telling the happy Huntresses how they'd need to learn to work with James if she got elected, so she would very much have been open to working things out if she was just reached too, and the issues were both going on long before RWBYJNR+Q arrived and there actions are largely done in response to them / in Blake and Yangs case were the only way to actually fix them)

Call me spiteful, but while I'm a gigantic James fan. I also loathe hearing his defenders every day downplay or ignore how he caused most if not all of volume 7s problems and blame everything on RWBY for 'lying to him' and so on and so forth in You Tube comment sections and elsewhere

So I'm in this weird spot of loving his charachter and hoping to God someone rips him a new one

Edited by Kylotrope on Aug 11th 2020 at 9:25:15 AM

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Jeez, I didn't mean to start a ship discussion... Interesting maneuver.

The theme of "disunity and conflict is bad" kind of hits a wall with Robyn v. Ironwood, yeah. I think the show is trying to say that yeah, disunity is bad, but blind/forced obedience paying lip service to unity and harmony isn't great either. Ironwood put soldiers and drones and stuff down in Mantle to try and keep the people there safe, and the people eventually rebelled against it. Why? Because people were a tad miffed at the military presence and thought that Atlas was oppressing them. After all, why else would the military be walking around in the streets?

That and Poor Communication Kills, really. If Ironwood had been more open about the whole thing from the start, it might have gone better, but since he doesn't tell Mantle what's going on with Salem, when Watts shuts off the heat Mantle thinks Atlas did it on purpose and is leaving them to die, so they start rioting.

Come to think of it, if Ironwood didn't have such a bug up his butt about building Amity Tower when Mantle's walls are falling apart, Robyn wouldn't have been stealing supplies and therefore would have aggravated Ironwood less, and they probably would have caught Jacques Schnee talking to Watts on the recording much sooner and could have locked Jacques' ID out of the system, so the heat doesn't get shut off and people in Mantle don't riot. The Penny thing probably could have been stopped too.

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