RWBY General Discussion

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So what would we call a Yang/Sun fusion?

Just their ship name?

Son Goku.

Well they would go Super Saiyan....

super sun level 2 of course.

I saw the video and...damn it hit all the thing about shipping: how shipping a past time also get mix with representation and some dick measuring contest( I mean shipping debate are "my chararter beat yours" but with relationships) creating this toxic enviroment, it also show in this weird thing were people want ship to be confirm already while also denied the idea of progresing the ship into a natural place in a sort of "dont force it but confirmed already" which is....ughhhhh.

Also it show a thing of the show were manyc hararter barely talk to each other, is funny how adam, a stalker seen unware yang was blake parner, im pretty sure he fight and die thinking Blake was only with yang the whole time, for a stalker, that is pretty bad

So would Adam be their Frieza?

Adam: (tries to use Moonslice)

Son Goku(yang/sun): YOU FOOL! (uses multiple powered up clones to punch attack back at him)

Could I share bits and pieces I would have changed about Cinder?

Sense I personally like her Charachter but think steps could have been taken to improve her or maybe help with people's issues with her

Easier: give her more range of emotion than "annoyed" "smug" "aguely female fatale" will be a good thing, and hint more or her pass from the start, a problem people have with adam and with her is that writer are complete caguey about showing any hint of their backstory.

Hell there is a reasons salem is sympathy and she isnt even when salem probably have genocide in her objetvies.

The thing is, its been hinted Salem has already committed Genocide, as it's been all but flat out said that she's the one who had the Silver eyed people hunted down.

The fact Salem has at least attempted genocide on her hands is something not talked about much.

With Cinder, I can get what the show is doing....she's meant to be a Mysterious charachter, so what exactly her big arc is supposed to be hasn't been shown yet.

Things I would have done is not necessarily make what her story will be or her past clear, as much as hint at what's been hinted at more, and try to make her more Enduring to people so that they are interested in the big mystery.

Neither Arthur and Tyrian have much in the way of Sympathetic qualities(Even if the latter isn't pure evil, his loyalty to Salem dosent make him purely sympathetic either) and there motivations are more or less "Get famous" and "Kill / hurt people" respectively. But there personalities make them super popular and enduring.

What I'd do is I'd give Cinder some more Quirks, for example make her a bit of an over the top Action Fashionista, hell her semblance let's her alter clothing so we could have humouras scenes where she looks in front of the mirror wondering what type of outfit to wear when infiltrating the CCT, and make her more of a Deadpan Snarker like with the "who are you again" scene, hell with that in mind have her engage in some Snark-to-Snark Combat with Watts.

This is a issue of what I call the preformative/background divide.

This mean between how much a villian is based in what it does and how it does in the present(preformative) and how much it explain its views and reasoing(backstory), this is more or less how it is for RWBY villians:

-Salem is a perfect blent of both, she is quiet, calm and terrify and scary foe who scare james to submision and broke ruby with a worlds without even been there, BUT she also a have a sympathic and understandable backstory that make her sympathic, not surprising she is one of the best chararter in the series.

-Tyrian and Roman And more preformative than background, what they matter is their charm and how they show it to everyone, the former more than the later is pretty much the more preformative villian and it havent disapointed so far.

-Emerald and Mercury are middle of the rode with this: they have chemestry and his act against coco and yat pretty much asure a good fanbase(specially in a time we feel the good guys were too powerfull), they lack focus but they arent bad chararter.

-Hazel is more a background that preformative and wasnt well liked in his combat in part because he feel like big and dumb muscle and when his backstroy was reveal it was very lackuster and cliche(good guy kill my sister so I join bad guy! point for ozpin having nothing to do with that).

-Watts is more a slightly preformative but there is a lot of about him that make him people ask what is his deal, how salem recruit it and what deal he have to join her.

-For last and at the botton is Adam who fail utterly at both: his preformance is annoying, ranging from "why you leave blake!" to "im entitled to you!" which is grating and he is major antagonist and his backstory ended being no used making him asshole.

So...were the hell is cinder? indeed she is more backgroudn that preformative, she does have a good preformance against Phyrra but being beaten and Raven and BEGONE THOT by Ruby is damper her, it dosent help that her mystery is caring less and less if she can carry her presence.

In short I will give more hints to whatever the hell past she go and more rang of emotions, that is always good.

Reiterating, as I said, for all the opposition, I figured they were going this direction since the dance arc - I'm not asking that Blake and Yang suddenly start kissing like Marceline and Bubblegum. That's not what people mean when they say "queerbaiting." I'm just wondering, with Nora and Ren literally having debated whether they're a couple, whether we're going to get a yes or a no, for any reason ranging from "I'm straight" to "not right now" to even "I'm just not that into you." A yes, a no, or even a maybe - not a Finny-and-Gene-esque "it might be a thing?"

Edited by TwinBird on Jul 4th 2020 at 7:53:41 AM

I think the show is gonna be something that gets Vindicated by History

I think a major issue with the community is....the show attracted the wrong sort of crowd, the trailers didn't give much indicator for the plot aside from foreshadowing the darkness of the later volumes, and then the show burned down it's initial premise.

What the show would he, a reconstructive story about maintaining idealism despite all the darkness in the world among many other themes, wasn't clear at first. Hence why there are so many bad takes and people who...not to sound snobby, just don't get a lot about the story leading to all the Horrible takes on it.

I think years from now, as the twists in the show become more It Was His Sled and people get a better idea of what the shows about, it'll attract the right type of crowd

I dont know, part of it the show have never really mantain a good tone for their volumes.

volume 1 was right but it was the introduction.

volume 2 is all over the place with the heroes winning all confrontation with roman only for him steal all the dust anyway, to the hero stumbing into the lair by accident, to them losing two fights in a two to blake anticlimatic winning is complete by the faliure that is the breach, the volume is a example of tone being decided by plot needs.

Volume 3 is mostly right, is start cheering and it decent RIGHT into darkness to the point the silver eyes feel jarring in the end.

Volume 4 feel more right: is really bleak nearly all the time but ren final killing of the nick was satisfying and good, even if people write this volume off it was good.

volume 5 is....volume 5, it really feel a unearned victory because the villian are stupid.

Volume 6 is....meh? it start dark,somber and creepy and slightly rising into being good in tone if it wasnt for some silliness like cordovin.

Volume 7 is the best in that it set the mood right away: is opresive and somewhat dystopian by but between james and RWBY it said with the latter in nearly everything, I will said it use son plot convience like robyn semblence and willow having camara of jacques to get away with it but it was good.

Volume 8 probably will be the most clear in this, salem is hear and things are going sideways, they opose james and his plans, now they reaaaaaally have to come with someone to prove they are better.

As I've said before, I expect Salem's invasion to either be resolved quickly, or somehow rendered peripheral (e.g., the volume might take place primarily in Vacuo). I don't think they can keep it up for a full volume.

And as I've said previously. They've been building up to this confrontation and they likely aren't going to rush it to only part of the Volume. There's a lot of stuff to do in Atlas still regarding characters and plot points, so I highly doubt we'll be getting to Vacuo until Volume 9 at the earliest. This seems all set to be a prolonged conflict from multiple fronts.

There are a lot of things to be done in Atlas, but I'm not sure they can do them in the midst of a full-scale invasion. If they do stay in Atlas, the invasion will either be stopped or kept at bay in a way that keeps the line away from the cities.

Honestly, I could see a Siege Scenario making for an interesting volume. The ever-present fear of Salem's forces just waiting outside the barrier or whatever, while inside there is conflict between Ironwood's faction and other groups.

Yeah, that would be cool. It would also confine RNJRWBY inside the city so they have to deal with arrest warrants being out for them. They did resist arrest and beat up the Ace-Ops, after all. Though I admit I can’t remember what they did before that to warrant that, except tell Ironwood that he should maybe not leave Mantle to die. Did they rescue people on their own after he gave the order? Honestly can’t remember.

I have my idea that Ironwood will join Salem to ensure Atlas safety.

It is the easiest way to have Atlas be explorable, especially as given what we see here my idea for volume 8 is that Salem will be the villa in for Oscar and RWBYJNR+Penny, while Ironwood will be the villain for Qrow and Robyn

Eeeeeeh, that'd be true Ron the Death Eater...

It isnt but it would pretty much be chararter assination if that happen and render any debate about ironwood moot afterward.

x3 Ironwood joining Salem makes no sense for either of them, since Ironwood has made it clear he will stop at nothing to beat her, even going as far as flaying his arm off, and Salem just needs the Staff, which at this point is almost in her grasp.

Ironwood is Ahab, and Salem is his White Whale... riding a literal whale. Albeit a Giant Flying Whale with Oversized Teeth and Dragon Wings for Flippers.

He's already shown he's willing to throw Remnant under the Bus to save Atlas.

Part of me wonders...was him resisting the urge to Join her out of just moral reasons? Or was it cause at the time Salem wanted the staff in return for Atlas safety, when thanks to info she didn't know that was impossible.

Is not securing atlas for atlas sake: he is denying salem the maiden AND the relic by doing that, ruthless as it is, he wont join salem any time now.

@Altris

There isn't any actual (legal) reason for the warrants. It's Ironwood abusing his authority, solely to keep them out of the way. Personally, I get the impression he thinks he's protecting them all by having them arrested, since he tells them it's only until he's finished raising the city. It's about keeping them out of his way and/or stopping them from trying to stay in Mantle.

In terms of Ironwood joining Salem, I've considered whether it might be possible for Atlas to end up under her rule. Ironwood points to the Relics and the Maiden as the core issue in the whole decision to abandon the fight and raise Atlas. But without that option on the table, and Atlas on the verge of destruction.....I wonder what choice Ironwood would make. Would he resolve to doom the kingdom fighting Salem to the bitter end, or would he submit to save the kingdom?

Lionheart's betrayal was about sacrificing everyone else to save himself.

Would Ironwood go the opposite route? Sacrifice through surrender, to ensure his kingdom isn't wiped out? (An Occupied France kind of situation? The government giving up, leaving individuals to fight?)

Edited by harostar on Jul 4th 2020 at 8:50:28 AM