RWBY General Discussion

Is there really a reason for JNR to be tagging along at this point other than "oh yeah they're friends from Beacon"? They don't seem to be doing much on their own.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr

If anything, they should have stayed behind at Argus, either as a culmination of Jaune's arc or even as a direct consequence to their stealing an airship (helping Cordovin clean up the mess while the others go to Atlas)

You two are acting as though Jaune, Nora, and Ren weren't involved in the secret war before the majority of Team RWBY. They have a very personal stake in things, and it wouldn't make sense for them to just decide to leave the main conflict. They started this journey out with Ruby, have a deeply personal reason to fight Salem's forces, and it wouldn't make sense for them to bow out. If ANYONE in the main group had reasons to bow out, it would be Weiss and Blake. They both have major personal conflicts that could take them out of the story, but they've chosen to stick with Ruby and Yang.

I mean, they still haven't gotten to why exactly Tyrian expressed interest in Jaune back in Volume 4.

Each volume shifts which characters get a major focus, sometimes well and sometimes not as well. But people are acting as though JNR haven't been major characters from the very start.

Edited by harostar on Jun 24th 2020 at 7:18:35 AM

Speaking of JNPR

Ren is likely going to double down on his emotional repression, especially with Nora thanks to the neo incident.

After all, his feelings for Nora is what got in the way isn't it?

Have fun thinking about that

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Everything is sad and romance only ends in tragedy.

Insert Qrow Skyward Scream.

Seriously, get out of my head. This is getting creepy.

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Random funny crack theory. Salem likely has an enforcer back in Vale that she spoke to via the Seer in RWBY V4 E3 "Of Runaways and Stowaways", right? Who is the enforcer gonna be? The Shopkeep. He runs numerous stores in Vale giving him the perfect excuse for spy work, he's someone Emerald, Mercury, and Roman wouldn't know worked for Salem hence why Roman robbed him and Emerald pickpocketed him, and he's apparently freaking rich since he was able to help finance RWBY: Amity Arena In-Universe. The Shopkeep is Salem's agent and we've been given a hint thanks to RWBY Chibi since they've foreshadowed stuff for the main series. How so? One gag in Season 2 was a Scooby Doo parody and had the Monster of the Week be a Beowolf, but was actually Old Man Shopkeep in disguise! They were subtly telling us he was connected to the Grimm!

No I will not stop snorting this coccaine!

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I have a theory that Cinder is a clone, and was either the female scientist we see in the pictures project. Or Cinder was watts project and was a clone of said scientist.

I can play this "who's crazier theory wise" game all day

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My crazy theory about Cinder is that she Ruby daughter from the future.

Rebel: and exactly how much screentime marie have after volume 7? no much, they shove her with pietro and call it a day, Blake and yang go focus in volume 5 and 6 and less afterward, Ruby, the protagonist have only recive focus after volumes of being just there, now you can to give Penny too?.

There is a reason Sun was shift out: he play is part and now he can leave, I wont be surprise if Maria leave aftewards.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Why are you against the Ensemble Cast so much? Seriously, not everyone can be in the spotlight all the time. Yeah, Sun left, but not because his role was done, it was to set up for RWBY: After the Fall and Before the Dawn, he's returning when they go to Vacuo. Just because a character isn't in the spotlight all the time doesn't mean they should be Put on a Bus. Otherwise by that logic, Yang should have been left at Patch with how Out of Focus she's been, same for Ruby.

Penny joining isn't much of an issue since she'd have the same thing Maria just had happen, gets some time in focus, then shifts to the back of the group until its her time for focus again. It's what they've been doing with Yang, Jaune, Nora, Ren, and Maria.


Wait why am I still arguing this?! I said lets drop this since we're not gonna agree! You and I rarely ever agree on stuff!
We should really just drop this to spare ourselves the headache.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 24th 2020 at 9:30:35 AM

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So....

If you were the ones in charge of that Manga adaptation, what would you have done?

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I got the impression that the subtext there was that Ironwood's plan was (is) never going to work. They're going to need some sort of magic, either from the Staff or from Penny.

My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.

Sorry, Rebel, I've been peeking into your brain again.

Crazy Theory to go with your idea: The Shopkeeper is a neutral third party, an all-powerful observer that simply watches over the important events in history. This is the reason he is everywhere and does everything.

In canon, he just runs a dust shop and a temporary noodle stand, right? It doesn't seem that unlikely that he set the latter up for a few extra bucks Lien, especially after Torchwick's caper.

(...I'm taking your potato far too seriously, aren't I?)

Okay, fine, he's the only human who survived the God of Darkness's death wave. He'd randomly locked himself in a fridge like Joaquin Phoenix, and like Indy, it just happened to be the safest place on... what do you call the world before Remnant... Dividend?

Edited by TwinBird on Jun 24th 2020 at 11:25:52 AM

My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.

I think we can just call it earth

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Because characters who were supposed to have character development have chunks of said arc ripped out which leads us to Offscreen Pine and that resparked Bumblebee flame war.

Pretty much, the series already struggle with the cast already, adding more is insane, specially because Much of penny arc is tie to mantle and atlas.

And María doesn't work because she is a tertiary character, all the devoptment she get is in serve of ruby and the title is okay

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

You've been arguing for them taking Penny with them though just as much as I have.

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Because, logically, it's easier to carry a key than it is to carry a Grimm attracting Relic.

So which is the greater evil in your eyes then? Carrying the relic? Or cast bloat?

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Doyalist? Cast bloat. Watsonian? Relic.

These are really two separate issues but if you're going to force me to find a solution, trade Penny in for Qrow, Maria, and Renora.

In regards to people invoking RVB to defend RWBY's cast bloat, I'd argue RVB also had a problem of cast bloat. That doesn't mean it's a bad show, but both it and RWBY could have benefited with tighter focus on a core group of characters.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jun 25th 2020 at 11:44:41 AM

I object to the idea any of them are The Load. It's okay to say you'd prefer Penny to them, but none of them are The Load. And honestly, I prefer the Watsonian answer, since that works better for the narrative.
I usually bring up RVB because its similar to Franchise Original Sin. Miles did quite a bit of writing for RVB, namely Red Vs Blue The Chorus Trilogy, and still serves as an assistant writer in the later seasons. And a lot of his writing decisions in RWBY can be traced back to there. Hell, the Chorus Trilogy is actually where we have the largest main cast, since of the ones I listed last page, 12 of them were in the Main Cast seat, and we also had focus on Locus making him a pseudo 13th main character.

Really, the way the show balances its "Cast Bloat" is, again, similar to how Red Vs. Blue balanced its cast. While yes, Red Vs. Blue had a large as hell cast, they typically divided them into groupings that received focus, with each grouping getting one character receiving the most focus.

• The Blue Team routinely shifted focus between Church, Tucker, and Caboose.
• The Red Team regularly shifted between Sarge, Grif, and most recently, Donut.
• The Freelancer's would occasionally go off on their own or share focus with Blue Team.
• Doc would pop in and Out of Focus when he was needed.
• The arc specific main's got the focus in said arc such as Kimball in Chorus or Dylan in Season 15.

Even if looking only at the Chorus Trilogy which Miles penned, it still is prevalent, with the cast divided into subgroups and focus shifting depending on the season.

• Season 11 had the focus largely on Wash and Tucker, with a secondary focus on Caboose.
• Season 12 had the focus largely on Tucker, Grif, and Kimball, with Wash, Carolina, and Epsilon in a secondary focus.
• Season 13 had the focus largely on Epsilon, Tucker, Carolina, Kimball, and Locus, with Wash, Doc, and Doyle in a secondary focus.

RWBY ultimately does something similar, with the focus usually being divided amidst Team RWBY, Team JNR, and the others. Even back in Volume 3 the focus shifted between RWBY, JNPR, the Ozluminati, and the Villains. This isn't something new this is something they've been doing from the beginning. Expecting Miles to drop a writing style he's had for years is honestly rather unrealistic.

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I will said diving the teams didnt work so well here: weiss and yang story wasnt nearly as intersting as Blake one in the end.

I will said Maria and Qrow still have role to play but the more and more the kids are doing stuff they may feel superflous a this rate.

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I'd argue it's a Franchise Original Sin scenario in regards to the RVB comparison, I wasn't able to quite put my finger on it....But in those certajn Charachters not getting much development wasn't a big problem.

In the Chorus trilogy neither donut or Grif got much development for example, even if they would in a later story arc.

In RWBY a good deal of Charachters arcs could really spend more time on, but don't get much focus thanks to the big cast.

FYI...I saw some posts Wich pointed out why Jaune killing cinder down the line wouldnt work...

Jaunes arc is largely about averting the standard "Weak dork goes through trauma and comes out of it as a badass Man". He maintains his dorky, awkward personality. His semblance is actually healing people, and his ocasional aggressiveness as a result of his trauma are things he has to grow out of. And it involves him moving forward from Phyrras death in a healthy way and accepting she chose to be a huntress and such.

So him killing cinder and completing some revenge story would sort of go against that

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