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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:
Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:
The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.
So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM
Goku Black
Looks Okay. Mind running it through the Complete Monster thread first for approval.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
About Walking Spoiler, I got the impression that a character’s mere existence does not have to be spoilery for them to count, the character just needs for their main or true role to be a spoiler.
For instance, a character who seems to be a hero or ally but is revealed as Evil All Along would be a Walking Spoiler, since most of the tropes would pertain to their true role as a villain, making it impossible to spoiler-tag their character folder without making them suspicious. At least, that is my understanding.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
For laconic complete monster....what's the problem with the current one? Just want to check that
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
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It's just a lot wordier than laconics are ideally supposed to be.
Fair point there. Yeah, if it needs to be chopped down, may I offer something to split the difference such as "A pure evil character without redeeming qualities who define themselves as heinous in the work?"
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
That one would work for me.
I frankly don't think the laconic entry for CM needs to be changed. I'm not seeing anything wrong with the current.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Again, it's the length; even for a trope like CM, does it need to be explained in so many words?
Granted, I don't really have a stake in this; but yeah, the length is literally the only reason why people want to change it.
Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 31st 2020 at 10:08:29 AM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
I think there's a fair point for the trope's criteria, it's the shortest and simplest we can explain it.
It's not even a full line-and-a-half long. Honestly I think it's good as is.
Short-Term Projects herald
I'd prefer something like...
The most above-and-beyond evil characters in fiction and the work, with no good factors to speak of.
I think this at least uses smaller terms; "altruistic" seems a bit verbose to me.
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!
I guess if people are really dead set on taking out the word "altruistic" that's fine but it seems silly to take out one word when the rest of it looks fine. I really don't think it needs a rewrite.
I'm with 43110 and Scraggle on the CM laconic.
Blapper of Water
The current laconic for CM is fine by me. It's a troublesome trope, so its laconic should be as clear and descriptive as possible.
Anyways, regarding Laconic.The Rising Of The Shield Hero, I suggest changing it to the following:
I don't have any problem with the current CM laconic either.
Is that 'to be framed for a crime' or 'only to be framed for a crime'? I don't know the work, so I thought it would be worth double-checking.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Apr 3rd 2020 at 1:27:17 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
We could send the old/current one to the unlaconic.
Laconic.A Protagonist Shall Lead Them:
Currently:
Suggestion, and what I'm using for Protagonist Tropes:
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
The suggestion is so much blander and equally as demonstrative. Sure, it's shorter, but at the cost of everything else. ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
- Hmm... Well, must it be a Hero, or is it truly just a Protagonist?
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
The description immediately calls it a Heroic Archetype, so I'm pretty sure it's going for "hero".
Even if it wasn't, all you'd need to do is change the first word to something less specific.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Short-Term Projects herald
If we're still talking about the CM laconic, should "crimes" be swapped out for "actions"? My thought is that many CMs are rulers and thus the law is subject to them.
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!
Crimes refers to the way we use it on the thread (i.e.: heinous deeds) and has a negative connotation which actions does not. I'm for leaving it, I really think this one is fine the way it is.
Current:
Suggestion:
Because it might not be just pain, it's life, or something, and it's not always two people. Could be a person and an item...
Laconic.Musicalis Interruptus:
Current:
Suggestion:
Because if it's applied to background music, like in WebVideo.Unraveled, then it's Sudden Soundtrack Stop...
Or is Sudden Soundtrack Stop a Sub-Trope?
Edited by Malady on Apr 6th 2020 at 12:27:19 PM
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Industrious Incisors
The laconic for Wackyland seems at odds with its description. The laconic is “Generic I'M TOTALLY TRIPPIN BALLS video game level.” The description on the other hand, makes it sound like a setting that is coherent, but still whimsical and incongruous with the setting of the rest of the game.
SoundCloud
I’ve got an idea for the Laconic.Complete Monster, anyone ok with this one?
A purely evil character lacking any shred of heroism.
Edit: my attempt seems to have failed
Edited by GeneralGigan817 on Mar 31st 2020 at 6:16:02 AM