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Prematurely launched pages, pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through YKTTW for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, no crosswicking etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

edited 8th Aug '17 10:10:12 AM by SeptimusHeap

Larkmarn Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Jun 17th 2019 at 8:04:34 AM

Alright, with four people for sending Ring Around The Close Up back, I think we can have a mod unlaunch it.

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Jun 17th 2019 at 8:16:24 AM

[up][up][up] Until / unless such a function gets baked into the site, could a rule be added that at least five people have to sign off on a draft by posting a comment (e.g. "Ready to launch") on the TLP?

Jun 17th 2019 at 2:58:23 PM

This was also brought up in the cleaning up complaining thread: VideoGame.Darkwing Duck is an unindexed stub with a complain-y description and no tropes.

Jun 17th 2019 at 3:03:12 PM

[up] That can be sent to the chopping block.

Also, sent a complaining notifier to the creator.

Edited by Berrenta on Jun 17th 2019 at 5:04:52 AM

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jun 18th 2019 at 5:26:32 PM

While reviewing Imminent Arrivals, I found Stephanie, which has a (brief) two-paragraph description and zero tropes. I've sent notifiers to the page creator, but they created the page in November of last year and haven't been back to the wiki since. The page itself has no wicks to other pages, the only wicks to the page itself are either indexes or wiki project pages. I'm recommending it be cutlisted unless someone wants to take an interest in the film to expand the page.

Edited by crazysamaritan on Jun 18th 2019 at 8:26:58 AM

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Jun 18th 2019 at 6:24:52 PM

Seconding cutting that page.

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jun 18th 2019 at 6:47:32 PM

Also from Imminent Arrivals, I've been trying to convince ~ginsengaddict to expand The Expanse from the unreleased stub page they made.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
ginsengaddict Wielder of the Muthfu*kin' Pimphand from orbit around your planet, bombarding your doods. Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
Wielder of the Muthfu*kin' Pimphand
Jun 21st 2019 at 3:05:36 PM

A: It's not an imminent arrival, it has been published.

B: I'm not super familiar with gaming tropes.

Mr. Worf, prepare a high-yield torpedo, and write on it: don't fu*k with the Sisko.
XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: Love potion #9
Witch
Jun 21st 2019 at 3:43:03 PM

I'd like to bring up Stock Desert Interstate.

It was launched by its OP. Admittedly, it got 6 hats and it was about to be ready, but the OP didn't improve the description despite the fact there were cool suggestions in the comments that could and should be added IMO. Also the OP didn't indicate they were going to launch it this soon.

The OP didn't crosswick the trope at all. It has two wicks, one of it is the index, and both cross-wicking edits were done by someone else — not the OP.

Unlaunch?

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Jun 21st 2019 at 5:51:36 PM

Huh... the TLP Guidelines say that crosswicking a launched trope isn't mandatory. Seems it should, at the least, be mandatory either to crosswick it or list it on Pages Needing Wicks.

XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: Love potion #9
Witch
Jun 21st 2019 at 7:25:36 PM

Weird... You're right. However, when you actually do launch a trope, the guidelines tell you to cross-wick it.

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XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: Love potion #9
Witch
Jun 22nd 2019 at 3:39:21 PM

Catching up on older posts... Tendrils Of Darkness should definitely be sent back to TLP. The description is way too short and not up to this wiki's standards IMO. And there was no indication it was about to be launched. The launcher did not announce he had adopted the draft.

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Jun 22nd 2019 at 4:13:22 PM

Magical Girl Academy is a recent work page stub. Creator messaged.

Larkmarn Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Jun 25th 2019 at 8:50:17 AM

Totalitarian Gangsterism was quietly launched with 8 hats and... honestly, I'm not sure what it's about. It seems to define itself more by what it's not ("Not Neighborhood-Friendly Gangsters") than what it is and the description is meandering so I don't know if it's just "gangsters are mean" or "gangsters are powerful (and mean)" or what. Instead of actually defining itself it just goes off on a bunch of other tropes that may be at play.

And the image is not helping since it doesn't really say "gangster" or anything.

I feel like all of the (valid) criticisms brought up by ~Tropers/4Tell0life4 just kind of got ignored.

I would think a decent trope would be "organized crime has absolute control over an area" is a pretty reasonable trope we don't quite have (with the fact that generally they're not seen as Neighborhood-Friendly Gangsters), but it would need a new name, description, and lose that image.

[down] Honestly, I'd be okay with keeping it, or okay with sending it back. If OP had done crosswicking I'd be more inclined to keep it, but between that, the lack of announcement, and the fact that working a description is much harder wiki-side than TLP-side, I'm definitely preferring to send it back. I won't cry if it doesn't go back, though.

[up][up] Tendrils Of Darkness is so stubby that I don't know why it's split off from Casting a Shadow. I mean, I'm a lumper by nature and yet I actually think that it's theoretically worth splitting... which is why it's so impressive that the description is so bare it actually makes me want it sent back despite thinking it's a worthwhile trope.

Edited by Larkmarn on Jun 26th 2019 at 11:17:40 AM

XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: Love potion #9
Witch
Jun 26th 2019 at 4:03:37 AM

[up] [tup] I quite agree.


No feedback on my suggestion to send back to TLP Stock Desert Interstate?

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Crossover-Enthusiast Plotting something from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Plotting something
Jun 26th 2019 at 9:39:10 AM

Stumbled Into the Plot is pretty bad. It was created in February, last edited in March, has 49 wicks, 14 inbounds, and each folder has about 2-3 examples with the exception being the Video Games folder - and even then, not by much.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Jun 26th 2019 at 12:39:43 PM

She/Her | "How can I ruin these wonderful people's lives today?"
Piterpicher ✓Veteran Editor from TV Tropes Ultimate (Poland IRL) Relationship Status: All is for my lord
✓Veteran Editor
Jun 26th 2019 at 10:15:34 AM

49 wicks really isn't that bad for a trope that existed for almost five months. Not everything has to get on Overdosed Tropes (or even reach one tenth of what that page requires) because not everything happens in a lot of works.

Send back Stock Desert Interstate for that description improvement, though.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jun 26th 2019 at 7:28:18 PM

♂ | WIP: Reorganising pages like Video Games of the 2010s in sandboxes like Sandbox.Video Games Of The2010s Reorganisation to compress them.
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jun 26th 2019 at 10:41:05 AM

I've cutlisted Stephanie. Despite ~ginsengaddict's edits, The Expanse still has only one example and only one valid wick to the page (an index).

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Larkmarn Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Jun 26th 2019 at 11:34:59 AM

[up][up][up] My issue with Stumbled Into the Plot is the description is bad. Not only is it ridiculously oversized, but it's also weirdly vague (again, opening with what it isn't and then going into Example As Thesis) and outright incorrect (Really, description? The only two ways to introduce a protagonist is via The Chosen One and Stumbled Into the Plot?).

The premise is quite simple, why it has such a long and confusing description is beyond me.

Crossover-Enthusiast Plotting something from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Plotting something
Jun 26th 2019 at 12:19:37 PM

[up][up][up] I was more talking about the fact that it hasn't been edited in three months in addition to the overall shortness of it.

[up] I can't believe I forgot to mention the description! Yeah, it's really bad and long. Something as simple as "a character becomes important because they accidentally stumble into the plot" really doesn't need an essay to explain it.

She/Her | "How can I ruin these wonderful people's lives today?"
naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Jun 26th 2019 at 1:34:30 PM

The only real problem with Stumbled Into the Plot is the description. Rather than unlaunching, could we just take it to the Trope description improvement drive?

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
miraculous Some are good with pipes or paint.. from South Africa
Some are good with pipes or paint..
Jun 28th 2019 at 6:35:24 AM

Could I get some help with Good counterpart.

Despite several tropers vociing concerns on the fact its the exact same thing as Evil Counterpart only inverted. These concerns have been weirdly just swept away.

Some have skill in love My talent is in making war. The only thing that has ever kept me awake was denying it.
XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: Love potion #9
Witch
Jun 29th 2019 at 5:33:52 AM

Queer Creators was launched with -3 net hats without announcing it's about to be launched.

I'm actually on the fence whether this list is a good idea or no, but it's definitely not kosher to launch a trope/trivia/index like this.

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