Sexism and Men's Issues

This comes off as a really tone-deaf response after all that happened.

It holds on to the GG talking point of "she's not a real gamer/she doesn't understand games". Maybe she doesn't play them or look at them the same way as you, but that doesn't invalidate her experience as a gamer.

And to say the media was just circling their wagons around one of their own (as if she was some big name journalist on the major networks) instead of a good chunk of society looking at the misogynistic attacks and calling them vile is also leaning towards a "both sides" narrative.

Edited by ciyinwanderer on Apr 2nd 2019 at 10:01:38 AM

Honestly the DMC fanbase was really insufferable about DMC 5, specifically about how they thought it was going to be received by the gaming press.

They seriously thought it was going to get panned because game journalists only like walking simulators and are bad at videogames or whatever...despite hardcore, gameplay-driven, story-lite games like dark souls, cuphead, etc still getting great reviews. A lot of them had pretty telling criticisms of what they thought reviewers would say too, like "criticizing the characters for toxic masculinity", "complaining the treatment of the female characters is sexist", etc, with the clear implication that they were dumb things to care about.

I was glad that they were proven wrong when the game came out, as they were always going to be.

Not that it stopped them from trying to whine about the game reviewers anyway.

Wait really?

I mean, doesn't Dante have lot of fangirls? And isn't he more of goof than straight up "manly man"? How would you eve-

Actually I think I don't want to learn more about DMC fanbase since it sounds kinda jerky

Edited by SpookyMask on Apr 2nd 2019 at 5:06:20 PM

It was essentially a reaction to game reviewers praising DmC to high heaven and shitting on the originals. The assumption was that 5 would be a like the originals, ergo the reviewers would shit on 5. They were indeed pleasantly surprised when journalists gave it rave reviews.

I'm pretty sure all the main characters have lots of fangirls.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Apr 2nd 2019 at 3:03:28 PM

I just tune out anyone who talks about DMC5 nowadays because the instant it was announced, it was buried under a sea of people already getting up in arms about what (they completely imagined) "the journos" and Kotaku would say about it.

Which isn't on-topic at all, but it does speak to the entitlement in the community.

Yeah, the community unfortunately got very insular and "us v them" after DmC, a bit gatekeepy on difficulty and mechanical complexity too (similar to the From Software communities in that regard).

They're top class shitposters though.

Her experience as a gamer is valid (while she doesn’t identify as one the entire gamer identity thing is wrapped in so much bigotry it’s obvious why she doesn’t), her statments as a journalist aren’t, they’re false and based on deliberate misrepresentations.

Society is not the online gaming media, society was rightly disgusted at what it saw, the online gaming media? They saw a way to both make money and claim that that they should be above criticism, circling the wagons was to kind of a metaphor for what did, the used her as a human shield so as to try and hide the fact that their industry is (like most of modern journalism) full of shitty people out for a quick buck who understand nothing about the subject they cover.

You think that would have made a difference? I mean sure she should have done it because being a better journalist is an end in of itself, but her being a reasonable journalist wouldn’t have changed anything, people would still have wanted her dead and have harassed her.

People didn’t harass her because she’s a bad journalist, they harassed her because they’re bigoted assholes who hate women and wanted to hurt someone.

No.

Agreed.

This is just more on the vein of "I don't see what was offensive about her, at worst she was a bit boring and/or didn't argue well". I'm certainly not claiming that if she had sourced her videos better that random asshats with an irrational fear of women taking their place would have backed off on their death threats.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Apr 2nd 2019 at 3:53:39 PM

Eh, people is liking goof now as long is done ''in the right way

People have always thought Dante was hot.

A lot of women have been harassed for daring to be women who had opinions about video games.

Sarkeesian is just the most visible example of it.

Not just on videogames, actually ... but this line of discussion seems more appropriate for the women's issues thread.

Most of my issues with Sarkeesian has more to do with her strange takes on Men Use Violence, Women Use Communication, but the stuff that doesn't deal with it is pretty much fine. Besides, I've seen numerous infinitely worse takes on video games from leftists in that regard since she started.

I love how Steven Universe flips that on its head.

Edited by Oruka on Apr 2nd 2019 at 1:52:48 AM

Agreed, it's a good way to promote a form of that trope without gendering it or demonizing deviation from Actual Pacifism in the way that Sarkeesian (or Mc Intosh, who is actually the worse offender in this regard but for whom she tends to get Misblamed) did.

The other legit criticisms I've heard about Sarkeesian comes from sex-positive feminists, who disagree with Sarkeesian's "women should cover up" stance towards fanservice characters - or worse, when Sarkeesian dismisses voluptuous body types as 'unrealistic', which ignores the fact that many women have those body types and live with them and have received harassment and abuse for having "slutty" bodies or get dismissed intellectually because of their looks. I know of one Youtube commentator who looks up to Ivy Valentine because here was a girl that looked like her in terms of body type, and she greatly valued that representation during a period where the 'hot' look was the waifish Kate Moss type.

Multiple men have come forward on twitter that Cardi actually raped them. The first being a man named Kevin Smith. This isn't the best site, but I haven't seen any mainstream news sites actually cover the allegations. I'm surprised, because a lot of the ones I've read have been very plausible and I think they deserve to be investigated.

Edited by Zanthype on Apr 3rd 2019 at 5:20:30 AM

Apparently she's also been accused of making crass transphobic jokes not too long ago, so we're dealing with a piece of work here.

That part at least doesn't surprise me.

I know this is irrelevant, but what on earth is "my 'L'"?

"Loss". You either take a W (win) or L (loss).

I hate to say this, but how would they investigate it? Motel records? They might show him checking in, but would they be able to nail her for it?

I think that's the point: it is a he said-she said situation. Just the reverse of the one typically discussed.

There are so many different facets to this situation, I am not capable of reaching any conclusion at this point.

For a second I thought that was THE Kevin Smith. It's not, I don't think, just a guy with the same name.

That said, believe the victims. As a feminist, that's always been the mantra. It is hard as shit for a rape victim to come forward about their experiences, and this is no less true for men. Guys face an extra helping of societal shame for claiming that they were taken sexual advantage of by a woman. This is due to the Patriarchal standard that sex is a thing men do and women have done to them.

The twin assertions "A woman did sex to me" and "I did not want her to" are both a one-way ticket to losing your "Dude Cred" in the eyes of Toxic Masculinity, so coming forward like this is a very brave thing to do.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 4th 2019 at 9:48:17 AM