Sexism

And that is part of where the double standards incels use comes from:

6 Ways You Can Get Sucked Into The 'Incel' Trap

Edited by M84 on Apr 25th 2019 at 5:16:38 PM

There really was no way of winning. Women were and still are expected to be incredibly attractive but really attractive women commonly got different stereotypes attached to them. And no I am not talking about the Attractive women are dumb stereotype.

Attractive women tend to get tropes like The Vamp stuck to them which is now more considered to be a good thing but in the past it was regarded as the norm to see those women as inherent sinners, demons and temptresses, and vain just for being attractive and maintaining their personal hygiene. Basically they were seen as little more than animals at worst and evil at best.

That belief still exists now but you tend to only see it in extremely misogynist circles but it used to be the norm in the past unless an woman literally held herself like a child or doll.

And as said before a lot of the beliefs are fucked up for men too. Its just an shitshow of bad ideas.

Edited by Wispy on Apr 25th 2019 at 2:36:18 AM

Much of society revolves around either putting women down or putting them on pedestals. Which as the article mentioned, is dehumanizing women either way. To say nothing of the whole Madonna-Whore Complex bullshit.

The idea of women being <gasp> people who are entitled to agency in their own lives is a very recent one when you look at human history in totality.

Edited by M84 on Apr 25th 2019 at 5:39:44 PM

Well, if nothing else sexism shows that inequality isn't just a matter of "we just need to get to know each other better". Because woman are around men all the time and still have to deal with a lot of BS. The only difference is that they tend to get categorized as "property" instead of "parasite" (both notions are naturally wrong).

Since I'm on a bit of an "old Cracked articles related to sexism and relationship stuff" kick for some reason, here's another from 2014 written by a former "Nice Girl".

5 Confessions of a Female 'Nice Guy'

Basically, the "Nice Girl" isn't quite the female equivalent of a "Nice Guy", but pretty close. They have in common at least one thing: adopting a Never My Fault mindset when it comes to their inability to score dates.

Edited by M84 on Apr 25th 2019 at 5:59:14 PM

I have been seeing more stuff on nice girls and legbeards (the female equivalent of neckbeards) recently. I have also heard that their is female incels too but I have never actually seen one as that cult of bullshit literally will kick out any women amongst their ranks if they find out.

The female equivalents of those nasty groups are pretty much the same thing but just nowhere near as numerous.

Yes, the article writer does point out that she, like many other women, spent most of her time stewing in silent bitter resentment as opposed to lashing out by posting hateful comments on Youtube or something.

Basically, there may be a lot of them, but they are keeping all of their bile inside. Which (as the article writer again points out) isn't healthy either.

Edited by M84 on Apr 25th 2019 at 6:48:30 PM

Most of the openly expressed incel-esque talk I've encountered from women tends to be from bitter lesbians angry that their crushes are not attracted to other women, and who blame societal heteronormativity rather than the possibility that the person simply has Incompatible Orientation for their rejection.

Edited by AlleyOop on Apr 25th 2019 at 2:04:52 PM

Aside from TERFs who claim to be lesbians, I don't think I've ever seen that (I've seen a lot of "if I was a man...!" talk, especially from closeted lesbians, but never outright "she should be gay/shouldn't be dating men!").

I have seen it occasionally from TER Fs and a small small minority in the LGBT community.

Gaycels and nice gays are a thing but I tend to see it more with gay men but I would be unsurprised to see it with lesbians too.

It's mainly confined to Tumblr/Twitter, but as far as typical comments go I'll see things like "only other women really know how to treat a woman right, when will 'straight' girls realize this, why do they even continue to be with men", things like that. Haven't seen the TERF factor come in explicitly, in some cases they list themselves as explicitly anti-TERF or as NB in their profiles, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of them were.

Edited by AlleyOop on Apr 25th 2019 at 4:10:16 AM

So I stumbled across this op-ed:

Where Is the Line Between Inspiring Girls and Misleading Them?

The writer essentially argues that there's a fine line between inspiring young girls and misleading them about the harsh realities of systemic sexism.

Male Navy Submarine Sailors Kept a Detailed “Rape List” Ranking Female Crewmembers

I clicked through to the original article quoted by Mary Sue, and it had me grinding my teeth. I don't think it's reasonable to expect people not to discuss which coworkers they find attractive - that happens everywhere, not just on a ship, and it certainly happens with people of every gender and sexual orientation. But that second list ... yeah, no wonder they fired the CO over it.

Reminds me of time during my conscription. Conscripts in military service talk really horrible sexist/racist/outright vile stuff. I had many nights of trying to sleep while people were talking about most horrible videos they could find on Internet(ranging from gore to bestiality to necrophilia and worse iirc). People also were openly racist towards one guy who was immigrant. People also talked sexist stuff about their girlfriends.. The people who behaved decent were really rare.

Like, I understand part of it is because everyone in army feels stressed out and uncomfortable and stupidity becomes worse in group because people start feel peer pressure to act in same way, so lot of it is probably just talking shit, but it definitely kinda made me feel like I can't trust people of my gender in general if this is how they act when removed from normal environment

Edited by SpookyMask on May 23rd 2019 at 7:46:23 PM

It's quite similiar what happened during my conscription. People told me that in such invairments people often show "their true colors".

Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 24th 2019 at 12:21:51 PM

It looks like Harvey Weinstein will be able to settle the accusations against him with a single "argument": $44 million

Edited by Ajavalo on May 24th 2019 at 7:01:49 PM

As much as I hate seeing some one like him get away with this... I take consolation in the fact that.

A) The damage to his reputation is done, and permanent.
B) That is a compelling argument, and while it wont make the damage go away.... it will help make life better.

He's still facing criminal charges, so the women getting some money sounds good to me, they can get his money and he can get a jail cell.

Interesting article: Women are happier without children or spouse

The gist of it is that women who stay single are happier and healthier than women who marry or have kids, whereas men who marry are generally better off than men who stay single (they take less risks, are healthier, earn more, and live longer).

This lines up with feminist theories about marriage mainly benefitting men because women provide the bulk of the emotional labour (as well as more than their share of childcare and housework).

As a single woman who is continually asked if she’s dating anyone or wants to be married (no and no), I feel validated in my choices.

Reminds me of a social phenomenon currently afflicting older women in Japan - basically, that their husbands are retiring, and now instead of having an emotionally distant man around in the morning and late at night, now he's there all the time, and is generally pretty demanding.

The article mentions unmarried and childless women as being happier but what about women who are unmarried but still in a relationship? Is it being in a relationship that makes them unhappy or is specifically being married?

I wonder about the exact statistics on this too, myself.

I wonder how you even measure happiness. Plus, I am thinking of my grandmother...she survived two wars, but she was a master in getting other people to do work for her. Like, until he died, her husband did the cooking, until she died, one of her sisters came around once a week to "help" cleaning the house, other than a few years during the war she always managed to push work on someone else AND was supposedly constantly ill and had a "weak heart"....she was 97 when she died, basically of old age (her supposedly oh so weak heart was still going strong, but her mind was basically gone at this point, so a lung infection did her in).

So maybe it is less a matter of if you are married or not, and more a matter of how much work and stress and risk you take on yourself. It is just that marriage often translates to woman taking care of a lot of work for their male counterparts.

Well, there's this:

World Happiness Report March 2019 edition