So why doesnt TVtropes want a page on these topics?

BTW: I don't think being a pedo is catching. Either you is or you ain't.

1. 2- Have these folks ever met a 3rd grader?!

edited 21st Apr '12 7:45:15 PM by animeg3282

@Librarian of Babel - Best post in this thread.

You and I are unlikely to transform into pedophiles by reading this forum. But a lot of people join this site in their early teens, when they are still discovering their sexuality. Introduce them to a community of people who get off to Those Eight Year Olds Totally Want It The Anime and who praise its deep characterization, and it's very possible for a fixation on little kids to be born. At least one of the people who said they'd date a third grader (why is that a thing that needs to be pluralized!?) said they were in eighth grade and was involved in the "lolicon" "community"; it's likely that this is what happened to them.

How often this happens is impossible to say, but really, even once is too often.

Don't know if this is proper thread to ask, but what is and is not sexulization of minors? Does that mean that things like things that contain Fanservice or the like are just right out if the characters aren't 18+ reguardless of the content of the story? (for example are the "outfits" employed in your average Magical Girl show count as sexulization, or most of the Fanservice scenes in most Humongous Mecha anime for that matter?) because at least on the anime front, that would mean an awful lot of cut works.

Now, I'm not keen on Fanservice or sexual stuff in fiction (for the most part.) but it would kinda seem a little silly and might cause problems for some folks if pages for your average mecha anime got cut for having fanservice or there was a "over the top" fic put in it's Fanfic Recs tab. (and even though I'm not a fan of "girly" anime, It might be a bad situation if pages for Sailor Moon, Pretty Cure, or heck, even Cutey Honey got cut because the fancy magic outfits count as sexulization. I know that threads for Madoka and Pretty Cure don't seem all that creepy to me despite those shows not being my thing.)

edited 21st Apr '12 8:20:29 PM by Clawshrimpy

You'd have to have underlying mental problems to start attacking little girls because you saw a cartoon.

I think that stuff like Super Girl or Sailor Moon should be fine. I mean, they show it on cartoons for kids. If it's OK for our ten year olds to watch, it's OK for our wiki.

I have a friend that also reads TV Tropes for Madoka and Pre Cure related info and it's be a shame if she had to go somewhere else.

Conversely, I wouldn't know how I'd feel if the page for say.... Gao Gai Gar got cut because of the way Hana dresses sometimes, or the fanservice in FINAL. I personally watch my mecha anime for scieince-fiction and I'd hate not to be able to read articles on them because some creeper might get off on the Fanservice shots.

Conversely, outside of Japanese meduim, it'd also be a shame if the page for Homestuck got cut because of the characters being minors and containing so much sex humor.

edited 21st Apr '12 8:40:35 PM by Clawshrimpy

I would just like to point out that I would, in fact, 'date' a 700 year old shapeshifter whether or not it happens to look like an adolescent human sometimes. And if that would make me a sicko who people don't want to interact with, then I suppose it's a good thing I've never met any 700 year old shapeshifters.

Man, I've never met any cartoon characters either. Makes us the same,eh!?

No ones saying we should allow pedoshit here, but then most people here seems to don't exactly know what real pedoshit looks like. Say Kodomo No Jikan: It isn't pedoshit. The child is precocious. Lotte No Omocha? The kid isn't going to consider sex because she has male-phobia. Plus his butler, the male lead is more like a dad and a Papa Bear.

The two works mentioned above are way, way cleaner than what real pedoshit looks.

My two cents on why this show is called pedoshit: Trolls and haters.

edited 21st Apr '12 8:53:44 PM by djmaca

There's a difference between Neon Genesis Evangelion and Lolicon No Erotikids. Unless the P5 all turn out to be completely insane, there shouldn't be any trouble on that front. (Lolita being taken down, even if it's often misread by pedophiles as pedophile apologia when it's obviously specifically attacking pedophiles and their mad self-justifications, is definitely a mistake, though.)

The shapeshifter-who-merely-looks-like-a-seven-year-old-but-is-totally-of-legal-age-honest situation was pretty much invented for the purpose of providing pedophiles a "safe" target to project their desires onto. They get the kid's body but can "justify" it by saying they're mentally of legal age (not that they're likely to care about them for their minds). It's really not a situation worthy of serious discussion because it's an artificial one invented by pedophiles for pedophiles.

Kodomo no Jikan is absolutely pedoshit (haven't heard of the other one). The fact that pedoshittier things presumably exist doesn't change the fact that it's pedoshit. No, it's not a deep story that happens to contain a bit of Ecchi Lolicon Fanservice; it's softcore kiddie porn and seeing pedophile apologists rush to its defense at every opportunity is getting quite tiresome.

How about the part where eight-year-old girls are portrayed as sex-crazed and constantly have their tops removed so that pedophiles can fap to it? It has no purpose to exist beyond pandering to pedophiles and there's no use pretending that it does.

edited 21st Apr '12 8:58:22 PM by ALibrarianofBabel

You can't justify that. Which part there is pedo shit? There is no sex, the girls aren't fap material and it has a very coherent plot.

Yea...any guy who tried to scar Lotte for life by trying *anything* would get the wrath of Naoya! It's going to be a long time before Lotte is mature even for kissing on the lips.

Now, let's be nice to everyone here.

edited 21st Apr '12 9:00:32 PM by animeg3282

Have you read it? I guess not.

Sex Crazed? LOL. You sir, have not officially read the material. A fish has been caught with his tongue.

Got it.

edited 21st Apr '12 9:00:59 PM by djmaca

Oh, good, we're back to the classic Pedoshit's Fork.

"Have you read Pedoshit No Jikan?" Choose one:

1) No, the description is clear, it's pedoshit. "Well, then you're clearly not qualified to judge."

2) Up through Chapter X, by which point I dropped it for clearly being pedoshit with no redeeming qualities. "Oh, you obviously didn't get to the part where it gets good, keep reading to Chapter X+3."

3) Yes, the whole thing purely for the purpose of getting around 1 and 2 above, and it's still pedoshit. "Well, if you don't like it, why did you read the whole thing? Also I maintain that it's not pedoshit."

No matter what, nobody except the True Pedoshit Fans are permitted to pass judgment, and it's absolutely not pedoshit in any outcome. We're not going through this ridiculous exchange again; it's absurd and I've seen it repeated far too many times already. Stop white-knighting a show designed for fapping to elementary schoolers removing their shirts and trying to have sex with adults.

Do not ask me why pedophiles masturbate to elementary schoolers; I really cannot imagine.

edited 21st Apr '12 9:12:51 PM by ALibrarianofBabel

Now, now, it's not nice to say other people masturbate to shirtless kids. (btw, why would they? there's nothing there to fap to.

The description is unclear. Either you just took the word from another with a bad impression of it or you hate it. If someone had read it properly and not just look at the pictures they will not be able to call it pedoshit.

Call it it a pedoshit fork is only from a mistaken Moral Guardian's POV.

They seem to have the impression that pedos looks and faps at any pics of kids in any form of media. Any fan of Etrian Odyssey and Disgaea start saying goodbye.

edited 21st Apr '12 9:14:22 PM by djmaca

@60 Indeed, it is not a situation that occurs as such. There are, however, similar situations that occur in real life (and CSI:SVU episodes). Turner Syndrome patients, for instance, commonly appear to be teenagers well into adulthood. The idea of individuals who look much younger than they are, therefore, may indeed be "worthy of serious consideration".

edited 21st Apr '12 9:14:19 PM by EnragedFilia

Eh, Disgea should be fine. It's a strategy game with a tame anime.

@Librarian: So every child character that is Really 700 Years Old was created to be perved on by creepers who find it easier to project their desires on them because they're "old enough?" Sorry, but I'm going to have to call bullshit.

Children's fantasy has quite a number of such characters. The Childlike Empress from The Neverending Story. The elves from The Santa Clause and other Christmas movies. The Kokiri from Ocarina Of Time. In just about all those stories, the older-than-they-look status is meant to convey a wisdom beyond their apparent age, and the childlike appearance is meant to make them relatable to kids. It's unfortunate that pedophiles see the same things that make such characters appealing to kids as license to project their desires upon them, but these characters were not made to pander to them.

Moral Guardian: B-But... but... Sexualized Loli demon and short-skirted Love Freak fallen angel.

edited 21st Apr '12 9:22:13 PM by djmaca

Clearly he didn't mean EVERY case, just the blatantly sexualized ones that show up a lot in anime.

edited 21st Apr '12 9:22:30 PM by Firebert

Precisely. It's also worth noting that most of the non-anime examples are played for childlike purity and therefore would not be the sort of people ever portrayed even in a dating context.

The blatantly sexualized Really 700 Years Old anime ones? Yeah. We might want to have a look at that. But the point I made earlier stands.

edited 21st Apr '12 9:25:55 PM by TwoGunAngel

Well yeah, of course it does, but Librarian wasn't arguing about that, just about the blatantly sexualized anime ones. The trope itself should be fine.

edited 21st Apr '12 9:26:53 PM by Firebert

But the kids are almost never actual dating contenders. Sasami in Tenchi isn't really in the running, for example.