The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

regarding 'Netorare Genre' fanspeak is a good rout if we cant find enough SFW examples to justify keeping them.

The horrifying or the eye ball bleeding?

edited 11th Jun '12 4:47:14 PM by Shadis

My hat's off to you for wading through that shit, tdgoodrich.

^ That Litchi Hikari Club. Apparently it's technically not breaking any rules but ugh.

edited 11th Jun '12 5:09:06 PM by Arha

Since I see that brought up every now and then, can I ask why inbounds are so important in the decision of keeping a page, even if it's very controversial if not outright against the rules? At risk of strawmanning, if Kodomo no Jikan had, say, 8000 of them, wouldn't it have been cut? So the reasoning is that since it's linked from many places outside the wiki, it should stay on the grounds of "page popularity"? Honestly, doesn't make sense to me (also becase popularity =/= quality).

It's just a general policy to try to save inbounds if it is at all possible. The idea is that if something has 10000 inbounds it's bringing enough attention to the site to be worth whatever trouble it's giving us unless it's truly awful. Also, if it has 10000 inbounds that means that new people who click it from then on will come to a blank page and be annoyed.

Couldn't that page just redirect to the main page then?

Remember, inbounds are just the total number of times people followed non-search links to the wiki, not necessarily the number of links or the number of actual people. One person could use a single link 6 times over a week, and that would count as 6 inbounds. (Assuming I'm not missing something.)

Autumn: It can be, yes, but it's generally better to allow inbounds to point to something that's actually what they're looking for. This site already has enough issues making money, so if it's possible it's generally preferred to allow inbounds to find what either the original article or something similar instead of the boring main page.

edited 11th Jun '12 7:48:10 PM by Arha

That would make the concern about inbounds even more moot...

edited 11th Jun '12 7:48:41 PM by GendoIkari

True, although inbounds do not reflect total page views either, due to search engine links, so it tends to balance out.

In general, most of the cut works (Kodomo No Jikan being the one exception I know of) have extremely low inbound counts. On one hand, this means that the wiki is not going to be hurt very much by the cuts. Of course, on the other hand, that kind of shoots the argument that these articles attract the wrong kind of reader in the foot, due to the simple fact they aren't attracting many readers period.

Statistics is fun, isn't it?

Off-topic, but as far as money-making is concerned, are the Echo Chamber videos being monetized on You Tube?

But yeah, even if those articles did bring in a lot of people, who is going to them and why?

edited 11th Jun '12 7:55:59 PM by RocketDude

If someone clicks an old link to the page and its blank, it's not a big deal. We're changing our standards but we can't half-ass the effort just because a few old links on other sites are going to break. It happens all the time all over the internet.

Agreed.

We'll still get the inbounds overall, I believe.

But regardless, the inbounds/etc. should not be a good determination if it actually doesn't fit with the policy. There's other inbounds we can get from allowed works.

Even if The Paedo Show gets 10,000 inbounds, do we really want people coming in, seeing that we have an article on The Paedo Show, and then going all over the internet saying how TV Tropes hosts paedophilic material?

edited 11th Jun '12 8:35:26 PM by LargoQuagmire

Uh, I'd really like to know where in my post I said that, because I'm pretty sure I said nothing of the sort...

The idea that inbounds should be taken as a secondary concern to actual content.

That wasn't really my point. I'm all in favor of basing policy decision more on hard data, since reality has a nasty tendency to ignore human morality. Unfortunately, inbounds as they are currently measured don't tell us a lot about said reality. I was more countering the people who base everything on inbounds as a statistic, but not refuting their main point completely.

In short, basing a decision on inbounds themselves is not the best option. But basing a decision on more concrete information such as page views is better. That clear things up?

Oh, okay. I'm sorry for misrepresenting you, then - I focused more on your "pro and con" about dealing with inbounds. I'll edit accordingly.

No problem.

Inbounds can tell us some things, I will admit, but the conclusions are always going to be inexact. I probably ought to take it to Tech Wishlist to have related pages display more information, but that's for another day.

@Largo do folks really not know how to use the internet? I mean, do they go to wikipedia and say THERE'S AN ARTICLE ON HITLER! HOW DARE THEY?!

Went ahead and reindexed Ikki Tousen, HATEFARM and Cannibal Holocaust as best I could (it wasn't easy, considering that neither the first nor the last had a capture on the Wayback Machine).

That said, Ikki Tousen's page has a link to Ryofuko Chan, which frankly needs a review, considering it's basically the same premise as Ikki Tousen but with a lolicon twist. I think I recall the thing being on the list of review recommendations before the flagging system was worked out.

edited 11th Jun '12 10:11:01 PM by TwoGunAngel

It is, and FWIW, I do plan on looking at in the near future like I have been doing.

Ikki Tousen is also on the Anime And Manga and Geneon indices, according to google cache anyway.

Then Ryofuko-Chan links to Kouhime Musou, which I am pretty sure would need a review too. Its a VN page, thats about the anime, thats bleached underpants of the VN (Which is defined as an eroge by VN database.) Apparently, Two of the three main heroines of the VN are little girls as well (Zhuge Liang, and Zhang Fei's expy's.)I dont need to look at the VNDB to put 2 + 2 together, and realize that an eroge who that has little girls as main heroines... It is simply going to have naughty stuff happen to them.

Reccomendations: Move the page over to one of an anime, clean away all the VN refrences: The anime IS bleached underpants according to the trope page.

edited 11th Jun '12 11:24:06 PM by Roraborialis

Netorare Genre seems like a prime candidate for the Hentai and Bara Genre treatment. Examples chopped and a locked definition.

Eh, what the heckles? Goodrich has already let himself be scarred too much by the stuff he has forced himself to look at. I'm gonna go ahead and give a look to Ryofuko-chan myself. At the very least, I can ease him the load a bit. <.<