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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#51: Sep 27th 2012 at 9:11:01 PM

Ah, here's the thread I wanted to find!

I want to second Oreochan's suggestion for an Audio Play/ namespace. Even if we put radio audio plays under Radio/, that still leaves a large number of audio plays created during the 1960s, '70s, '80s, and '90s (between the time TV killed radio as a dramatic format, and the rise of the web) that have no place to go.

This is not a theoretical question: I actually have a work page I'd like to make, but have no valid namespace for it.

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#52: Sep 28th 2012 at 8:51:39 PM

I would be fine with AudioPlay/ as a namespace.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#53: Oct 1st 2012 at 1:45:54 PM

Would AudioPlay/ include things like Drama CDs? Yandere No Onna No Ko, for instance.

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#54: Oct 1st 2012 at 2:17:14 PM

I assume so, though I'm completely unfamiliar with the work in question. It's a superset of Radio (Play). ("Play" as in theatre, not as in game.)

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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#55: Oct 13th 2012 at 11:20:40 AM

If Video Game Systems are going to be moved out of Main/, there ought to be a Platform/ namespace. I really don't want them shoved into UsefulNotes/ (except SNES CDROM) with all the other useless stuff in there.

videogmer314 from that one place Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#56: Oct 13th 2012 at 11:21:04 AM

[up] Technically, they're indexes, so they don't need to go anywhere.

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#57: Oct 14th 2012 at 9:16:54 AM

[up]Technically, a lot of Creator/ pages serve as indexes now. Should they not do so?

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#58: Oct 14th 2012 at 8:57:06 PM

[up]Technically, aren't they still both indexes and pages for the creators? If they're indexes to begin with. Technically.

edited 14th Oct '12 8:57:13 PM by AnotherDuck

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ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth Since: Oct, 2011
#59: Oct 15th 2012 at 9:09:28 AM

Folkage! Those of you interested in the process of creating new [media] namespaces may want to know about this discussion.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#60: Jan 14th 2013 at 7:21:39 AM

Do we want a Timeline/ namespace for works that tend to have complicated chronologies? It won't be compulsory or anything of course. I'm thinking we could put stuff like this.

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#61: Jan 14th 2013 at 7:25:40 AM

I'm not sure why Recap wouldn't work for that. I'm just leery of adding more namespaces.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#62: Jan 14th 2013 at 7:29:01 AM

A Recap doesn't work because a) a work might not be told chronologically and b) if there's a backstory, there's a good chance it won't be told chronologically. Recap wouldn't work for this, for instance.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#63: Jan 14th 2013 at 7:31:07 AM

Eh, I could consider adding a Timeline/ namespace, but I'd like to have example pages for which it's necessary.

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MetaFour Since: Jan, 2001
#64: Jan 14th 2013 at 9:25:21 AM

We have a Timeline.Homestuck page. Because if any series needs a straightforward explanation of its chronology, it's one that has eight different universes (none of which synchronize with each other chronologically), several characters with time travel powers, and which uses Anachronic Order like it's going out of style.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#65: Jan 14th 2013 at 9:28:21 AM

Well, I see 3 pages in this namespace. I'll support the motion to make it an official namespace.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#66: Jan 15th 2013 at 9:51:11 AM

And we don't actually have to move anything since it's a completely optional thing. All we need is an index and adding it to namespace.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#67: Jan 15th 2013 at 10:09:58 AM

Maybe use Timeline.Home Page as the index?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#68: Jan 21st 2013 at 9:04:48 AM

Ok, I've gone ahead and added Timeline/ to the namespace list.

As an aside, can we have a Fanspeak/ namespace for these pages that aren't supposed to have examples both on- and off-page?

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#69: Jan 21st 2013 at 1:40:01 PM

I would think that Fanspeak terms would fit fine under Useful Notes—isn't that where we already stash them?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#70: Jan 21st 2013 at 1:42:50 PM

If that is true (and reading the Useful Notes page, that seems a bit like misuse of the namespace - it really doesn't fit #1 and #2 there), I'd like to have a definitive policy statement.

For the record, it's things like Kuudere that inspire the question.

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#71: Jan 21st 2013 at 2:03:27 PM

[up]I thought 1, 2, and 3 were three different possible reasons for having a Useful Notes page, not requirements that must all three be met. But that's just my interpretation; we may want a more authoritative opinion.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#72: Jan 21st 2013 at 2:05:37 PM

Well, we had a discussion about how these pages have grown so prevalent that they are almost a shadow Wikipedia, so I'd like to have some restriction there.

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#73: Jan 21st 2013 at 2:08:00 PM

I fail to see how putting terms like Kuudere under Useful Notes would not at least fall under both #2 and #3. #1 is debatable but I don't see it as a necessity. As an alternative to a Fanspeak namespace, it has a great deal of merit.

[up]Quite frankly, it is far more applicable to the wiki's mission that many other things in Useful Notes. tongue

edited 21st Jan '13 2:08:38 PM by Fighteer

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#74: Jan 21st 2013 at 2:29:34 PM

Such a solution (Useful Notes) is being used on Pettanko already. We could use it on things like kuudere as well.

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#75: Jan 23rd 2013 at 10:04:41 AM

I think we could use a Toy (or maybe Toy Line) namespace, mainly because, well, we have the Toys index.

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