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Demongodofchaos2 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Feb 9th 2019 at 9:52:43 AM

KH 3 actually has a lot of Meta moments, as well moments where its obvious Nomura makes fun of himself, so yeah, it does.

MightyKombat And? And? And? And? AND? from Are explosions science?
And? And? And? And? AND?
Feb 9th 2019 at 9:58:13 AM

Does it have Sora and Riku singing a duet of Judgment SHINPAN tho?

What DOES it mean for a guy to be "cash money" anyway?
Ultimatum ◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator
Feb 9th 2019 at 10:04:59 AM

Alas there is no finny fun in Kingdom hearts 3

🙌 |Nerf meta knight
Weirdguy149 The Dead Man from The Flying Dutchman Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The Dead Man
Feb 9th 2019 at 10:09:08 AM

Of course there's finny fun, Ariel's in the game anyway.

Do you fear death?
MorningStar1337 Does this look like the face of Mercy? from 🤔
Does this look like the face of Mercy?
Feb 9th 2019 at 10:27:45 AM

In which I presume to be evangelicals (who else would literally call a tax a "sin tax"?edit ) in Pennsylvania want to add a tax on video games to prevent school shootings.

[down] For that I think the Plot Bunnies in Nomura's head might has started breeding after KH1 as it was both one of the few games focusing on the crossover aspect and apart from the ending (Sora being separated from Kairi and then traveling with Donald and Goofy some more, the last part being adding in the localized version first) the most standalone entry (FM's additions and CoM were made after KH1)

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Feb 9th 2019 at 10:38:48 AM

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VampireBuddha Hungry dinosaur from Ireland Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Hungry dinosaur
Feb 9th 2019 at 10:34:10 AM

Point is, Nomura has always been more interested in telling his own silly little story than actually making a proper crossover.

Wasn't it Square who pitched the idea to Disney? I have to wonder why, if Nomura just wants to tell his own bonkers story, he bothered with the crossover angle.

TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 9th 2019 at 11:33:19 AM

Oh hey, guys, look, it's the 90s/80s/70s! They're visiting us again!

...fucking 'ell...

...wait, how is a tax supposed to stop anything?

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Feb 9th 2019 at 5:33:50 PM

SpookyMask Insert title from Corner in round room Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Insert title
Feb 9th 2019 at 11:34:26 AM

So just to give examples of how KHIII makes fun of itself, it has Kingdom Hearts 2.9 title card tongue One of characters also lampshades it a lot how hard it is to explain what is going on to characters out of the loop

Time to change the style, for now
Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Feb 9th 2019 at 11:41:01 AM

Wasn't it Square who pitched the idea to Disney? I have to wonder why, if Nomura just wants to tell his own bonkers story, he bothered with the crossover angle.

The story goes that Disney and Square shared an office building somewhere, and at one point two executives met in an elevator and started talking about doing something together. At this point, Nomura was not really involved. He only got assigned the project later on; in fact I think he specifically asked for it. I guess he saw an opportunity there.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
Feb 9th 2019 at 12:33:14 PM

Also, keep in mind that Disney is very stingy about its brand and its representation, hence why most of the worlds are just reenactments of their movies.

slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
Feb 9th 2019 at 12:34:42 PM

Well that explains why the Pixar worlds have more original stories.

Also why Frozen is 1:1 Frozen.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 9th 2019 at 12:35:02 PM

Feb 9th 2019 at 7:45:09 PM

Disney is reduced to having the movies play in the background in the KH games because Disney is hard to work with. The devs are on record as having found the first game something of a nightmare to work on as Disney was super touchy about how their properties were represented and they had to get permission for anything that's not straight from the movies. So all the games after that have the Disney stuff be fairly straight recreations

MorningStar1337 Does this look like the face of Mercy? from 🤔
Does this look like the face of Mercy?
Feb 9th 2019 at 8:04:37 PM

Though there are some exceptions. The second Act of 2 was closer (keyword here) to 1 and 3 compared to the first act with the villains being involved in the conflict of several "episodes" (Beast's Castle, Land of Dragons, Port Royal), the Pride Lands involved Simba being PTSD laden, and Halloween Town's dealt with the Doctor's experiment rather than Jack and his desire for the role of Santa Claus. The entirely of Olympus Colosseum was also an original plot with the only thing being adapted was the while "Megara in the Underworld thing" and to continue the episode anology, had its own special guest star.

regarding spinoffs there were some issues with sidelining the Disney elements. Days was one of the worse off with most of them being outright filler, but I think BBS put in some effort in avoiding both that pitfall and the Stations of the Canon one, as did BBS (keyword being Try). Coded and Co M fated little better than Days when it came to avoiding those pitfalls but I think that had to do with rehashing KH 1's journey with the past-focused plot (via memories or the Datascape that is the Journal) being the means to do that. In other words, their case was a side effect of adapting their own work.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Feb 9th 2019 at 8:04:51 AM

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IncognitoNinja IT JUST WORKS. Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
IT JUST WORKS.
Feb 9th 2019 at 9:16:24 PM

@Tobias Drake: Did I really just sound like a horrible misogynist there? Then damn, just say so.

Certain unsavory aspects of their cause—not all of that cause, just certain portions—and that other side as well, just get my goat, though... Combine that with pent-up anger at the current state of video gaming (plus dealing with one too many a-holes on the Internet—including this one) and it makes for a volatile combination.

Also, I don't know if the YouTube algorithm over on my smart telly has been recommending way too many videos from various video game YouTubers playing up the "get woke, go broke" tagline for clickbait.

@fasoman1996: So GJW... Gamer Justice Warrior? Then yeah, I CAN get behind THAT.


RE: "Idiotic Bill Proposes 10% 'Sin Tax' On Violent Videogames To Stop School Shootings"

OK, who put that Broken Record back on again?

While they're at it, how about extending that sin tax to video games with microtransactions as well? No? (Seriously speaking, would taxing video games with microtransactions lessen, or worsen the problem?)

Explaining the bill last year in a memo, Quinn said that “one factor that may be contributing to the rise in, and intensity of, school violence is the material kids see, and act out, in video games.” He went on to reference a statement from the National Center for Health Research which says “studies have shown that playing violent video games can increase aggressive thoughts, behaviors, and feelings in both the short-term and long-term.”

That statement goes on to say that mental illness, access to weapons, and other factors can raise the risk of violence. Quinn’s statement does not reference this information. [Bolded for emphasis. -Ed.]

I suppose that the lack of focus on mental illness is because they'll lose the money they make on that sin tax to public healthcare. Ditto that other thing because of the strong pro-gun lobby.

"Learn as if you will live forever, live as if you will die tomorrow."
AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Feb 9th 2019 at 9:58:22 PM

Assuming you're not being facetious, it kind of does make you sound like one, just because many demonstrable horrible misogynists say the exact same things. It's outside the scope of this current discussion, but while I know from experience how infuriating and occasionally harmful on a localized scale some SJW types can indeed be, the situation with Battlefield V is not one of them, and it's false equivalence to compare them to anti-SJW types, whose behavior is nominally opposed by greater society but who are backed (sometimes behind closed doors, sometimes not even) by people with actual systematic power. As the current US political landscape has demonstrated.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 9th 2019 at 1:18:21 PM

IncognitoNinja IT JUST WORKS. Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
IT JUST WORKS.
Feb 10th 2019 at 11:26:50 PM

Needed some sleep to cool my head and chewed things to the bone... But had a few other things that stewed there instead.

     If you think anti-SJWs are bad... 
I should tell you (and Mr. Tobias) that there's an insidious group out there with good publicity (or rather, a well-oiled Propaganda Machine) that I'm sometimes up against, who would gladly use the racism card (amongst other things) as a "rebuttal" to marginalize, undermine and/or push to irrelevance legitimate criticism against "that group's" corrupt, repressive, shady, and borderline expansionist actions. They're probably the only bunch of people I can consider worse than the "Triple-AYYY" videogame industry or advertisers.
[End digression]

Anyway, it definitely didn't help that Patrick Soderlund made that infamous "don't like it, don't buy it" statement. Not exactly the best use of the "woke" card to promote the game, but hey, he did get that fat $20 million bonus and severance paycheck out of the deal.

I no longer want to argue the "what ifs", "could-have-beens" and such. Battlefield V's weak pre-orders, So Okay, It's Average gameplay and lack of content contributed to its underperformance—never mind that other videogame publishers/developers would kill to have that kind of sales numbers.

"Learn as if you will live forever, live as if you will die tomorrow."
M84 'Til all are one from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
'Til all are one
Feb 10th 2019 at 11:40:58 PM

[up]That argument would work better if you at least named the group so that the rest of us could look it up.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Superdark33 The dark Mage of the playground from Playgrounds and Adventures Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
The dark Mage of the playground
Feb 11th 2019 at 2:34:20 AM

Anti-Sj Ws AKA Alt Right AKA Nazis murder people to fulfil their goal of murdering people.

Literally no way to eveb compare them with "Some people who are combatetive online and say mean things at other people" and trying to make the arguement that they are worse is very much known to be an alt right "debate" tactic.

M84 'Til all are one from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
'Til all are one
Feb 11th 2019 at 2:37:45 AM

Yeah, I'm trying to think of a group akin to the one Incognito claims to have encountered that is actually just as bad as anti-SJW / alt-right / Neo-Nazi assholes, and I'm drawing a blank.

Disgusted, but not surprised
HottoKenai Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Feb 11th 2019 at 6:34:46 AM

[up][up][up]Wait, wha... what the fuck?

an insidious group out there with good publicity (or rather, a well-oiled Propaganda Machine) that I'm sometimes up against, who would gladly use the racism card as a "rebuttal" to marginalize, undermine and/or push to irrelevance legitimate criticism against "that group's" corrupt, repressive, shady, and borderline expansionist actions

What sort of Conspiracy Theory is this? What group is it? Is it the nebulous SJ Ws? Cultural Marxists? Postmodern-neo-Marxists? Or, dare I say it, (((the Jews)))? All of this to prove that Battlefield V somehow flop because it had a woman with prosthetic arms on the cover (and not EA's unrealistic expectations)? And to defend the "anti-sjws" who got outraged at every minor thing? Like some tweets about Doom? Or a cartoon show aimed at girls?
I'm just gonna post this video here, which details how people can fall into the "anti-sjws" blackhole and then come out sprouting alt-right propaganda. Hopefully it will help anyone reading from falling for this bullshit.

First sign of maturity is realizing that not everything is black and white. The second is realizing that not everything is equally grey.
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VeryVileVillian Who did you expect? God? Devil? No, it's just me from Russia Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Who did you expect? God? Devil? No, it's just me
Feb 11th 2019 at 7:25:59 AM

[up][up]Maybe continue this topic in "politics in Media" or "Race relations and problems" thread? To not derail this thread until moderators come in.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Feb 11th 2019 at 6:26:26 PM

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Invincibleasshole fuckANN from Not here Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
fuckANN
Feb 11th 2019 at 7:27:36 AM

Soderlund told the fan base to fuck off. They did as he asked and this is the result. Its kind of like that one super played out scene thats in every drama ever made. You know the one where two characters are arguing and one of them’s like “Well why don’t you leave” and then the other character is Ike “fine” and then leaves and them some generic pop song starts playing over a montage of people looking sad

Anyways, What about the Pennsylvanian attack on M Rated Games. Its a battle we can’t afford to lose (No seriously I’m in between jobs so I can’t afford it)

You're going to pay a price for every bloody thing you do and everything you don't do. You don't get to choose to not pay a price.
MightyKombat And? And? And? And? AND? from Are explosions science?
And? And? And? And? AND?
Feb 11th 2019 at 7:33:15 AM

A partial diplomatic packet was intercepted to the chairman of Pennsylvania.

What DOES it mean for a guy to be "cash money" anyway?
TobiasDrake Always watching, never seen from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Always watching, never seen
Feb 11th 2019 at 7:34:26 AM

And by "They did what he asked," you mean "More players bought copies than before," I presume.

The game's predecessor is Battlefield 4, which moved 7 million copies in the 7 months between its 10/29/14 release date and May of 2015.

Battlefield V has moved 7.3 million copies in the 4 months between its 11/20/18 release date and now. That's more copies sold than Battlefield 4 in nearly half the time.

But sure, by all means. That they dared to put a woman on the cover caused the fans to abandon them in such great numbers that the game's sales outstripped its predecessor as a result.

What's happening here is that AAA gaming's ridiculous shareholder-enforced expectations for impossible levels of growth were not met and the game, while still a success that surpasses its previous entry, was consequentially declared to not meet expectations. And now internet misogynists are trying to take that statement out of the context of the game's actual sales figures to declare victory over people's desire for female representation in video games.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 11th 2019 at 8:37:19 AM

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