Anyone willing to make the opening description less... Japan-centric?: Lawyer Friendly Cameo

The trope is definitely not Japan-only, but the description is rather too Japan-oriented (hell, the opening talks about doujins already).

I'd do it, but I admittedly suck at stuff like that.

Yeah... this basically acts like Japan is the only country that this is common in... which, obviously, isn't true...

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."

Hmm I wonder if this should be split or split descriptions the laws are so different between the two countries you can pull off one thing in one and and another thing in another.

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

Laconic: "Using obvious parodies instead of the actual celebrity to avoid a lawsuit."

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

Well, the basic principle is the same. I don't think it needs a split, but I think it should be reworked so it starts out country-neutral, and then we can go into a rewritten part of the article that mentions the admittedly increased prevalence of this in Japan.

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."

There are a lot of Anime & Manga examples, but not a majority. There are a lot of Comic Book examples too. The title, quotes, image, and laconic don't mention any specific country.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

It doesn't have to be big and specific for that fact really. Just a simple "some countries have tighter laws over the other" or something similar should be enough.

Well, as I understand it, this one is in fact demonstrably more popular in Japan than in the US (and let's face it, those are the two biggest fiction producers of things that get exported a lot).

I don't think that justifies having another trope. I think it does justify having the article be largely nation-neutral, but with a mention of Japan (and any other countries with lax enforcement of this kind of stuff) and how they are rather special in this regard.

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."

It was just a wonder... no need to bring the flames there....

Both countries do different things like actual broadcasted or published the japanese will blur one or two kanji out of the word, bleep or just use a Censor Bar across the person's face while I dont see that ever happening in the US. (Other ways are changing their hair colors, never showing their full face, never speaking and such.)

Like this, (Note his name officially is Ku:Nel Sanders.)

edited 16th Jan '12 1:27:10 AM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

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Why the hell do they need a Colonel Sanders cameo?

And, the specific manner in which it's done doesn't necessarily differentiate it from other places. It's just a style variation on the same basic concept.

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."

Same trope, country of origin doesn't look different to me.

Fight smart, not fair.

Yeah I don't really see any need to make a separate trope, just need to make the description neutral but special mentions to certain countries briefly.

Colonel Sanders... you know the KFC guy... its big in japan (people have been reported to be surprised when learning its not a native Japanese company...) having KFC for Christmas dinner is common [1]. Getting off topic...

You would not be able to do that in America or other places, we should probably cover that and go into the different ways it can be used.

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

Nah, you could get away with that in the US.

You'd have to work a little harder, but you could get away with it if you were crafty enough.

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."

I'm pretty sure that should be the laconic for No Celebrities Were Harmed. I mean, this trope is about the cameo actually being the celebrity or whatever, while NCWH is about those "obviously a parody of so and so" characters. I mean, look at the current page image for Lawyer-Friendly Cameo. [1]◊ Those aren't a parody of the Ninja Turtles, those really are meant to unambiguosly be the Ninja Turtles. While NCWH uses partially-original characters meant to be used in making fun of a celebrity or icon.

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Not from what I have seen without atleast paying for the licensing rights or published by the same publisher etc... but meh I am not going to be that pushy.

I completely agree, these are not parodies what so ever they are the characters brought into the work, they might be a used in a gag or Imagine Spot or such but they are not parodies it is really them.

Other examples that come to mind.

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edited 16th Jan '12 2:13:29 AM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

Well, it certainly wouldn't be easy, and you probably couldn't do it in something really, really popular (i.e. something that attracts a lot of attention), but you could do it.

It's 4 in the morning, though, so I'm not quite coherent enough to go searching for examples anymore...

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."

Yeah Bro's sockpuppet has been troll-thumped.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Agreed. You can do it and you might require some stuff to do but otherwise it's fine.

Problem with splitting it between US and Japanese examples is that it happens beyond the US and Japan. There are more countries out there, yeah?

Anyway, reading the trope description, it comes across as a Japan-only trope, which obviously it isn't.

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How's this?

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Sometimes fiction leans towards a rather lax interpretation of trademark issues. You may find characters who are not merely an imitation of a character from a popular show, film, or comic, but literally are that character. Somehow.

You can blur their face a bit or simply not name them. Still, this trope is known enough you can expect any manga that featured these frequently will get modified a bit if the anime counterpart's broadcast sponsors are worried about pissing anyone off.

On the other hand, if said cameo character is famous enough, you're liable to get away with a more overt reference (most noticeably, Kamen Rider and Ultraman.)

Often used as part of a Take That!, but just as often a friendly Shout-Out. See also Writing Around Trademarks. Compare Captain Ersatz and No Celebrities Were Harmed.

edited 16th Jan '12 6:08:54 PM by Ckuckoo

Its ok but I think it needs to state the ways that it will become "Lawyer Friendly"..

Bleeped name, Bleep parts of the word like "Gu O Oam" Censor Bar across the eyes, only showing the character from behind, minor hair color changes,

As well as state that if its from the same publishing company and/or studio it is NOT an example.

edited 16th Jan '12 6:30:57 PM by Raso

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Anyone got a suggestion for fixing the laconic?

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Dunno, is the difference between this and No Celebrities Were Harmed that the this is specific to fictional characters?

Fight smart, not fair.

The difference between LFC and NCWH is that NCWH uses a partially original character to make fun of a celebrity. LFC is intended to be the celebrity or character, and they're generally just a single scene, while NCWH can last longer, as they can be actual characters, and not simply a detail in a scene.

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