X-Men In General

I'm pretty sure that's been thrown out, as they're introducing three new mutants as part of Excellent X-Men.

Sweet. On a similar note, you ever wonder why we don’t have many X-Men OCs compared to Sonic or Spider-Verse?

Edited by BigBadShadow25 on Mar 17th 2024 at 6:52:01 AM

Probably cause the X-Men haven't had a big adaptation in a while.

The Fox-embargo lead to a severe drought in x-content. Our last cartoon was Wolverine and the X-Men which got cancelled in 2009.

OCs in fanfics or OCs who make the jump to canon? Bec I'm reminded of Soft Serve and how there are rights issue about her between her creator Bob Quinn and Marvel w/c is preventing her from showing up outside of his books.

Edited by KRider on Mar 17th 2024 at 3:56:53 AM

So there could be a new influx with 97?

Because my brain is stirring up a few…

Edited by BigBadShadow25 on Mar 17th 2024 at 7:00:38 AM

"is there still a rule that says Marvel can’t come up with new mutant/x-men characters" I'm sceptical that was ever actually a rule, because the X-office never actually stopped introducing new mutants. One of the sources for the claim was Claremont, around the time he wrote a Nightcrawler ongoing which had two new mutants as major characters. I remember Illyana had some new apprentice during the time the X-Men lived in Limbo, and I know I'm forgetting other mutants introduced during the time where people claimed it wasn't allowed.

I do love that Quinn was able to slip Soft Serve into a couple panels. It makes for a great gag for those who are in on the joke.

I think the "rule" people are talking about is a misunderstanding of some interview from the start of the Krakoa era where the team mentioned that they were gonna try and focus on the existing cast instead of repeating the "new writer introduces a bunch of new characters the next writer forgets" problem, not that they were not making new mutants period.

Well, I would hope we get more mutant characters before long.

And I just looked up who Soft Serve is… and I’m not gonna be eating ice cream for a while.

Soft Serve and the other two (Glowbrie and Slamazon) are a nice little in-joke, but we're probably never going to see them named or officially confirmed in the books.

Quinn can draw a familiar looking woman in the background holding an ice cream cone, but that's all. She's not a work-for-hire character and Marvel's been burnt by ownership claims before.

A data page comment about a nameless mutant who can create ice cream is about as far as it'll go. Maybe we'll see bloodied ice cream cones on the floor, in the background of Selene's latest mutant massacre.

Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 18th 2024 at 3:19:21 PM

I think the ‘no new mutants rule’ was an urban legend. The mid-late 2010s definitely had less new mutants than had been introduced in the preceding decade, but that was when there was a lot of focus on Xavier’s/the Jean Grey school as a school, and every writer saw it as their job to introduce a new class of students. OTOH, we had:

1. All the students introduced during Morrisons’s run

2. The Academy X/New Mutants/Hellions kids

3. The five lights

4. The new kids from Aaron’s WATXM run

There was a glut of new teen mutants who were already fighting for page count, then the O5 were brought to the present, and essentially filled the ‘teen book’ slot for the rest of the decade

Edited by PizzaDog11 on Mar 19th 2024 at 12:01:41 AM

Is it just me or did Krakoa era either nerf quite a bit of female villains... often to paint male (former) villains in better/cooler light.

Two examples that come to mind are Selene (pre-Krakoa non-Necrosha feats: going toe to toe to a standstill against Magneto and Doom at the same time) in favor of Exodus and Morgan le Fey (previous feats: beating the everlasting shit out of Avengers- including Ares and Sentry- and taking over the planet) in favor of Apocalypse and Jamie Braddock.

Edited by djoki996 on Mar 19th 2024 at 3:13:35 AM

Selene's currently exploiting the fall of Krakoa (and the damage the X-Men have done to Orchis) to kill huge numbers of mutants for another ascend-to-godhood plan in X-Men Unlimited, which is setting her up as its final big Arc Villain for the Krakoan age.

I think she was nerfed a bit, but she also caused a lot of damage at the start of Immortal X-Men. If she wasn't facing a united Quiet Council armed with mysterium, that could have gone very differently.

She's being played deadly seriously in the current storyline.

Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 19th 2024 at 10:41:54 AM

Selene's god complex has gone out of control. I guess that's what happens when you set yourself up as a goddess to manipulate a society for so long — you start to actually believe it.

On the other hand, she's sometimes able to back it up.

On a related note, this week's new X includes...

X-Men Forever #1 — which really does feel like a sequel to Immortal X-Men. Enigma directly talking to Destiny, the payoff for the Elgar scene at the very start of Immortal, Selene effortlessly outmatching Mother Righteous (the "thank you" magic went out of fashion in Sumer, apparently. Selene knows the loopholes and it can't touch her), Shaw siding with Xavier again (I like Gillen's take on Shaw, who argues that he only betrayed Krakoa because it had already failed) and Orbis Stellaris re-entering the plot just before Stasis leaves. It feels much closer to Rise than Duggan's Fall does.

Resurrection of Magneto #3 — the preview had a whole host of demonic horrors. The issue itself leaves it ambiguous, with the Shadow King claiming they're all connected, but seemingly only so that it can intimidate and distract Storm. A future writer could treat it as fact, but it's also deliberately easy to dismiss as lies. And Magneto's back — not as Max, or Erik, but as Magneto. Wonder if that's going to send him back to a darker path.

Sounds like synergy with Mags' eventual turn back to villainy in X-Men '97

On a related note, is anyone reading the current Cable limited series?

I've just realised it's the only Fall of the House of X series that's not had a wiki page created. Which is usually a sign that it's not catching people's attention.

I’m reading it, it’s not very connected to the rest of the Fall stuff beyond taking place at the same time

In the end, Magneto always falls back into villainy. He's just too good a Foil to Charles Xavier.

That'd be the exact opposite of synergy; X-Men 97 goes hard on Magneto pulling his Heel–Face Turn, as the original show was when it ended. The first two episodes are partly dedicated to really affirming that Max is a hero now and genuinely trying to step up as the new Professor X, to the point he actually gets a pardon from the UN for his crimes after both getting a chance to escape but refusing to take it, sparing X-Cutioner despite the latter making an attempt on his life, and defending the very people putting him on trial from X-Cutioner, winning the public's trust in doing so. From The Ashes apparently having Magneto become the new Professor X figure like he was supposed to become in Claremont's run way back is the actual synergy.

Also on X-Men Forever, Mystique and Destiny's relationship is currently on the rocks after Mystique found her diary and read it. Enigma also foresaw their relationship taking a big hit during their 1st conversation.

Finished reading Resurrection of Magneto #3

The Anti-Phoenix pantheon is working hard to corrupt both Storm and Magneto and it was Shadow King who goaded Magneto into admitting his codename is his real name (sort of a reverse-deadnaming). Magneto admits that he needs to change and use his anger to "drive him to a better world. A world for ALL who are hated and feared." as he and Storm drive the dark pantheon out and they both combined their Mutant powers w/ the resurrection key and Taaia defibrillating Storm's body in realspace to bring them both back to life. Magneto also looks a hell of a lot younger too.

Edited by KRider on Mar 20th 2024 at 6:13:07 AM

I really hope the Anti-Phoenix Pantheon or whatever force they're servants/aspects of is the next big enemy for the line. It'd make a nice change of pace from the Dominion/Enigma, which I've honestly not vibed much with, while still providing an overarching Big Bad. Plus Ewing clearly set it up to tie off a lot of dangling threads in the same way that the Sinister retcon did.

Edited by immortaleditor on Mar 20th 2024 at 6:27:08 AM

I'm at least glad they weren't retconned/revealed to be aspects of Enigma.

As am I, that would've been the worst. More and more, I'm of the opinion that all the time travel/Moira X/Dominion shit was one of the nooses that strangled the Krakoan Age. It all has increasingly distracted from the GOOD parts of the era, helped lead into bullshit like Fall Of X, made an already-complex narrative convoluted (when more convolution is the last thing this franchise needs), and just generally has not been handled well imo. Krakoa as a thing could've easily been done without centering it all around a baffling retcon and a borderline Villain Sue. And it's yet more proof that time travel shit is poison to stories and not worth the trouble it tends to bring.

Edited by immortaleditor on Mar 20th 2024 at 7:20:50 AM

In X-Men Forever, it's interesting to see Mother Righteous' reason for cooperating with the heroes. Since she's based on Rebecca, she hates her ex Nathaniel Essex. The reason she's terrified of Enigma and wants it stopped is less because it's a god machine, but because it's Nathaniel Essex as a god machine.