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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM
Also, how dare you guys keep ragging on Angel. He's the best himbo around!
Why racelift white characters, if the X-Men already have non-white characters that can be used?
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I just want Angel if he is there to have lots of guns because it would actually make sense if he thinks his power is lame.
And no Race Lift please. The X-Men are one of the most diverse groups in comics. You can’t swap out one for another?
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Just up Angel’s powers to Hawks from My Hero Academia.
The guy has a quirk called “Fierce Wings,” which allows him to control the feathers of his wings with his mind. These can be used for attacking enemies or assisting or saving people.
Basically he has angel wings but he can telekineticly detach & control each feather separate from the wing to the point he once saved a bunch of people in a collapsing building by carrying each person to safety with single feathers. He can also use his feathers as feather swords.
He’s powers are so effective that’s he become the second best hero in the show’s setting & the youngest hero to be in charge of his own angenccy. All with the powers of feathers.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Angel already has those abilities in his "Archangel" incarnation. Just wait to bring him in if/when they want to use Apocalypse again.
Edited by windleopard on Mar 12th 2020 at 9:24:51 AM
I wouldn’t mind some Race Lifts, but I would rather just swap in non-white characters. I still say it’s past time to make Sunfire a core member.
Speaking of Angel...does anyone else feel like he usually gets the short-end of the stick narrative wise? It feels like no one can figure out what to do with him; he became Archangel in his 80s/90s makeover and since then they’ve had him stuck in that pattern. Even on the original team, I can’t really figure out what he brought. And it’s not like he doesn’t have anything to work with, he’s rich, good looking, privileged, has a bad father, mom’s not in the picture...
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We're not getting an X-Men movie without at least some of the ANAD squad because those are the characters people actually like.
Yes, they could racelift existing characters. Or they could use cooler, more interesting characters who are already POC. Not just the exact same white people we've seen loads of already, but given a new coat of paint.
I'd kill to see Marvel's X-Men movies actually use different characters.
As for the whole "characters people know" thing, Got G proved that shit really doesn't matter.
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I mean these same characters that have been "used loads of times" have been used terribly for the most part.
For God's sake the Apocalypse film completely butchered all the nuance & complexity in Archangel & that's not even getting into poor Jean Grey who has suffered not 1 but 2 terrible adaptations of the Phoenix Saga.
Poor girls entire filmography career is just doused in shit. I just want to see 1 Jean Grey onscreen that is neither defined by her romance to Wolverine nor being subjected to a poorly-made Phoenix movie. I am not asking for much there.
Edited by slimcoder on Mar 13th 2020 at 12:23:17 PM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
I wouldn't be against race lifts for a few characters (depending on how well it is handled) so long as the characters who are already non-white are featured.
Also, if they use him, I hope the MCU leaves out the nonsense about Forge being a shaman because there are way too many examples of magical Native Americans in superhero media.
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I liked him in X-Men Evolution where he was a geek from the 70s trapped in hell.
Then when he's freed he just goes "well I've been missing for 25 years, better go tell my parents."
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I can get the aversion to Magical Native American, but Forge being both a tech dude and a magic user does give him a niche that currently has only one other person occupying it as far as I know: Victor Von Doom.
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Yeah but Dr. Doom doesn't use Ancient Romani Sorcery. Every time a Native American character has magic powers it's always related to their ancestry, Or nature, if you want to get really creative.
Actually, I'm certain Doom's magic has been attributed to his Romani heritage. Same with Wanda. Both have some issues.
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Watching an old episode of the 90's X-Men.
Is Darkstar a mutant? I think she is, isn't she?
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I think all the Winter Guard are Mutants.
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Then are they on Krakoa?
We still have a small number of characters unaccounted for:
Vance, the entire Winter Guard, and whenever they decided what Squirrel Girl is and all that.
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doreen is legally distinct from mutants. also the owl is fucking shit up in hell's kitchen right now. and typhoid mary thought she was a nun.
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...The Owl is a Mutant?
....actually, no. That makes sense.
Doreen is only legally distinct from Mutants due to that crazy mutant bullshit that was going on. I keep forgetting Mary is a mutant. But she had a bit of showdown with the X-Men (and Spidey) a while back, so they might consider her too much of a wild card...
...wait. Charles has spent years using Cerebro to make psychic back up of every mutant everywhere right? So would that include even mutants who aren't on Krakoa?
If Vance, Darkstar, Owlsley, Mary and anyone else not on Krakoa dies, will they suddenly emerge from those pods?
What about Namor, Namora and Namorita? They're still mutants, even if they're also Atlantean.
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It wouldn't be a good idea to revive Namor or associates and try to make him part of their country. Sounds like a recipe for him to try to sink them, which, while probably could be handled, it could get messy.
Wake me up at your own risk.
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Yeah. Shame that they made Namor triple down on his worst parts.
I think there was a time where he'd undergone enough character development to be considered a slightly jerkish good guy, but like a lot of characters in these past few years, his worst traits were blown up and now he's such a damned trash fire that I think there's not a person in the Marvel Universe besides Bruce and Bucky who don't hate his guts.
Though some of that ended up being Charles's fault, which is another problem (trying to fix a character after you wreck them by ruining another character instead: the result being the fans don't buy it, and the other character is still wrecked).
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All mutants are welcomed in Krakoa, but not all mutants live in Krakoa, same as not all jews live in Israel. I think that Reed made a comparative graphic in the FF crossover.
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If you have five people, the only one who is superfluous is Angel unless you lean into that original cover and give him a ton of heavy weaponry.
As disliked as the Iceman gay reveal was by certain people (mostly because of how it happened), that’s probably staying, so you have five heroes, one gay, one woman, and three guys, unless of course they get rid of Angel. So yeah, the only one they may get rid of is Angel and there’s plenty to do with him if they get creative.
Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 12th 2020 at 10:06:29 AM