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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
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- Marvel doesn't have the rights to Spider-Man, Sony still has the rights, they are just letting Marvel use him in exchange for Marvel making Spider-Man movies for Sony.
- It was Sony's decision to use Peter Parker, not Marvel's.
- Still, Marvel probably would have chosen him, but that's because the franchise is almost entirely centered around one character: Peter Parker. The Spider-Man franchise is not at all like the X-Men franchise, which has dozens and dozens of potential viewpoint characters.
- Marvel might not have had a ton of options, but Guardians of the Galaxy was still risky considering just how obscure and off-the-wall it was. Still, Marvel could have played it safe and kept making Iron Man films, but, get this, they didn't want to play it safe. Playing it safe stagnates the franchise (see: Amazing Spider-Man), so they took a risk and made a movie about way more obscure characters and it worked.
- This is why they are making films about the Eternals and Shang-Chi instead of diving right into the X-Men. And this is why I highly doubt we will see Wolverine within the next, I don't know, seven years.
Do you think that is the reason people liked "Logan"? "Batman vs. Superman" killed the most famous superhero of all time, and somehow it did not got the same reception...
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Well it was a unique superhero movie.
Plus very well done in general.
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If you think that people will love anything with Wolverine in it, I would look up the reaction to X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
The thing is not what I think, but what the studios think. Do they think that people would love a new film featuring Wolverine? If the answer is yes, then yes, they will make a new Wolverine film.
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I understood that there wasn't an Iron Man 4 film because RDJ refused.
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I mean, he returned for Age of Ultron, Captain America: Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame, so no, he didn't refuse. Hell, RDJ was totally up for making another Iron Man film. Marvel just decided not to make another Iron Man film and move on to other solo films like Doctor Strange and Black Panther.
Edited by alliterator on May 15th 2019 at 9:39:26 AM
That article starts by saying "It was only three years ago that Robert Downey Jr. ignited speculation he might never suit up as Iron Man again", so yes, that was the initial version.
In any case, that's just format. No Iron Man 4 does not mean no Iron Man, he stayed both in the Avengers films and as a Spolight Stealing Squad in the third Cap film and the first Spider-Man film. So the premise stays. The studios thought that people would love to keep seeing Iron Man, they kept adding Iron Man everywhere, Wolverine Publicity be dammed. In fact, it seems he will "appear" in Far From Home, despite the little inconvenience of not having the actor around anymore.
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No, again, Marvel could have easily made an Iron Man 4, but they didn't. Because they wanted to try other things, other characters. Black Panther was a risk, Captain Marvel was a risk. But they did them anyway and were rewarded with high box office returns for both of them. So I highly doubt they will immediately go straight to Wolverine in the X-Men films.
Edited by alliterator on May 15th 2019 at 10:00:28 AM
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Or Magneto sick of everyone suggesting him as the only villain mutant wise in the MCU
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Honestly, if we ever get the X-Men into the MCU, I want to see a Dazzler movie.
I've even got the plot synopsis; Alison Blaire just recently graduated from the Xavier School, and instead of wanting to make X-Man like all her classmates do, she decides to become a pop star.
It could be a low-key movie about super-powered people trying to live non-superhero lives, chronicling Dazzler's rise to fame as she deals with the prejudice of being the first openly mutant singer.
Edited by drac0blade on May 15th 2019 at 1:17:55 AM
Give us X Men Academy with Julian Keller, a Wither and Elixir rivalry and Selene as the Big Bad.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Mystique back if she's not the lackey of Magneto and not willingly working with Charles Xavier. No, on second thought, let that character rest too.
Make it about Banshee and Emma Frost running a school, with Jubilee and Sync as the main characters, M as Jubilee's Always Someone Better rival and Emplate as the villain only Jubilee's quick thinking can defeat after everyone other student's superior mutant power fails.(Yes, even Skin will have better powers than Jubilee in this version, as he will be re-imagined as a pirate from Brazil who can summon the arm of a giant.
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
I'm beginning to think that Matt Rosenberg is the result of me wishing on a monkey paw, which created him specifically to do all the Karma stories I want in the least-satisfying way imaginable.
The latest UXM has Shan say that Illyana hates her, nobody trusts her, and that Rahne hated her. Note that never in this entire story has any of that been shown. None of it has been hinted at. No one has ever said a harsh word to Karma, no one has ever shown even the slightest indication they didn't trust her. It is the epitome of telling over showing. Rather than do any sort of compelling character drama where Karma has to deal with the consequences of her actions in Dead Souls, we get Karma saying she's dealing with the consequences.
Holy shit, is it ever some infuriating writing. It's terrible writing. And as a Karma fan, it's just a massive piss-off and I want Rosenberg to never be allowed anywhere near Karma ever again. Because holy fuck.
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Which is weird, because I thought he did a pretty good job writing her in New Mutants: Dead Souls. That was a good mini-series, until the ending.
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He did a terrible job with Karma in Dead Souls. Just an awful job. He took a story that was about her, and cut her out almost entirely, until the final issue, where were were told, not shown, that Tran had been influencing her behaviour, and then she used her friend as a murder weapon so she could re-absorb his soul. A moment that lost a lot of impact because of how little she'd been in the book up to that point.
I hated Dead Souls specifically because of how Karma was handled in the story.
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Everybody is happy in the MCU, the snap has been undone and all the dead are back to life. Everybody except Wanda: Vision was not snaped, he was killed personally, and so the reverse snap did not bring him back.
A good background for her to go crazy, and use House of M to introduce mutants rather than vanish them.
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Probably the best way to introduce mutants to the MCU is to just introduce mutants to the MCU. It's not complicated.
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But there is a problem with adding mutants to the MCU just like that: where had they been all this time? You need an in-story explanation.
Another one: the counter-snap by Hulk worked, but people Came Back Wrong, and now they are mutants.
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, The only real narrative use of a "mutants weren't a thing until now" is to have a Watsonian reason for the X-Men not being present until the Fox buy out. I'm of the opinion that you can just have the mutants having already existed and only now starting to get found out. I mean, the MCU is no stranger to secret societies like HYDRA or Kamar-Taj, so the existence of mutants being hidden isn't that unlikely.
But mutants are not supposed to be a "hidden" race or society. The whole point is that mutations happen to teenagers at random, and that anyone could be a mutant or have a mutant son.
Another way would be the Ultimate Marvel trick: people think that mutations are mutations, but unknown to everybody, everything started because of a scientific experiment gone wrong and expanded like a disease.
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Hey, everybody, Grigor referenced Ultimate Marvel again, have a drink.
What I was trying to say is that speculating "why haven't mutants appeared yet in the MCU" and trying to find a "solution" to the "problem" is rooted in an attempt to explain in-universe why the X-Men haven't showed up. Like Tiamatty said, you can just introduce mutants by having teenagers developing powers; it ultimately isn't a narrative problem because (good) X-Men stories aren't focused on explaining why the X-gene exists but rather how they affect society and mutants' social standing.
Or you could just use it as an excuse for lots of people getting superpowers so you don't have to bother with multiple origin stories.
The reason I mentioned the possibility of having mutants be secret is that a) there is sort of an existing precedent with the likes of Apocalypse and Selene b) it would satisfy that move to Watsonian explanation for Doylist omissions c) would allow the X-Men to have already been founded. Again, none of that strictly necessary though.
Edited by Aleistar on May 16th 2019 at 1:56:28 PM
Welp, poor Chamber.
Bastion, get your metal ass over here with the Transmode. If you want a stable mutant population, you're not doing a good job of this.
Edited by NickTheSwing on May 16th 2019 at 11:18:45 AM
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A secret society of people born with super powers, living in a secluded location away from the world? Yes, there is precedent, but not a positive one. In fact, I can guarantee that there will be massive fandom rage if mutants are adapted that way.
As for Strange's sorcerers, that's not quite the same case. Those guys do not have intrinsic powers, they are trained to do the things they do. And they decide who gets to be trained and who isn't, like a Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.
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