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Okay, it seems to me that the thread on "X-Men: Schism" has run its course, and since everyone seems to be commenting on how the conversation is talking about general parts of the franchise, I guess I should start a thread talking about all that.

I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.

One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.

All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM

GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
#6026: Sep 4th 2018 at 11:55:45 AM

I hope that Magneto takes his new villainy seriously, and that the Brotherhood operates like an actual terrorist group.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#6027: Sep 4th 2018 at 11:59:21 AM

So, basically raising a big bodycount with little regard with their own lives?

Wake me up at your own risk.
Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#6028: Sep 4th 2018 at 1:05:52 PM

[up][up] Weren't they doing that before?

Mileena Madness
GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
#6029: Sep 7th 2018 at 6:01:55 AM

In X-Men Gold #35, Storm has spent the power of Stormcaster. The Asgardian hammer and the whole "Storm Thor" thing is over. On the other hand, half of her home village is not feeling so good, if you get what I mean...

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Formerly G.G.
#6030: Sep 8th 2018 at 3:09:51 PM

I know I might be beating a dead horse but what do you think about the status quo is god in regards to mutants portrayal in Marvel?

"We are just like Irregular Data. And that applies to you too, Ri CO. And as for you, Player... your job is to correct Irregular Data."
Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#6031: Sep 8th 2018 at 3:13:24 PM

It'd be real nice if they toned down the genocide.

Edited by Mr.Badguy on Sep 8th 2018 at 6:13:28 AM

Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#6032: Sep 8th 2018 at 3:53:13 PM

Like I said before, the audience reaches for a bottle of wine because of how dark everything gets. Bad Future, genocide, disease, KKK style violence against mutants makes us grow weary. I stopped reading X-Men Gold because of how it's as paint-by-numbers X-Men as possible.

I'm surprised the following haven't become Bad Future plots:

  • Jean spills her coffee
  • Gabby posts negatively about Fluttershy
  • Rachel getting a stable romance
  • Everything about Franklin Richards
  • Civil engineers who are tired of rebuilding Sentinel-based destruction
  • Parents forming an organization based on 1 Million Moms

Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#6033: Sep 8th 2018 at 8:09:23 PM

  • Jean spills coffee resulting in Apocalypse ruling the earth.

Mileena Madness
GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
#6034: Sep 8th 2018 at 9:00:42 PM

Actually, Franklin had his own bad future when he was turned into a Cable knock-off in the 1990s.

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Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#6035: Sep 9th 2018 at 8:15:39 AM

Franklin didn't to be a Cable clone to have Hyperstorm. Every single future where he and Rachel have children ends up with the creation of Hyperstorm in one way or another.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#6036: Sep 9th 2018 at 3:17:00 PM

Good old Hyperstorm, one of the countable-on-one-hand number of mutants more bullshit overpowered than Franklin himself.

Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#6037: Sep 9th 2018 at 4:15:52 PM

When Franklin ends up with Rachel Summers in any given universe: Hyperstorm goes on a cosmic rampage

When Franklin ends up with Katie Power in any given universe: Kang takes over

When Franklin ends up with Hope Summers: Ultron is loose, Val becomes Dr. Doom, and we get the plot of the Next Avengers animated film. Then again, there is nothing to suggest that Hope and Franklin are a thing other than them holding hands.

Seriously, the only more destructive relationship is Thanos and Mistress Death ... or Kyle Rayner and anyone

Edited by Dr.XXX on Sep 9th 2018 at 7:15:44 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#6038: Sep 9th 2018 at 11:49:17 PM

Matt Murdoch and anyone could give them a run for their money.

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#6039: Sep 10th 2018 at 1:14:27 AM

Yeah, the status quo concerning mutants needs to be permanently changed.

MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#6040: Sep 10th 2018 at 2:55:38 PM

I think the X-Men coming to the MCU fold will end up changing the direction, IDK if Feige and Co. want to chase the discrimination angle that the previous X-movies chased for years. They'll probably lean more into the soap-opera elements and crazy adventures

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#6041: Sep 10th 2018 at 2:58:32 PM

There could be some prejudice mutants face, but it would be how real life minorities face prejudice. Mutants have become more accepted, but at the same time many people have fears about them.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#6042: Sep 10th 2018 at 3:02:52 PM

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I'm fine with that.

Turn the Sentinels into less of a go to solution for dealing with mutants and now something that the Black Market use for selling to the highest bidder for instance.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Sep 10th 2018 at 4:05:04 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#6043: Sep 10th 2018 at 3:08:56 PM

Speaking of Sentinels, using smaller, stealthier models for hunting Mutants was on the Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon's better ideas.

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#6044: Sep 10th 2018 at 10:28:23 PM

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I agree turning them into a black market thing would make much sense, especially if people realize that those robots are just a waste of taxpayer money.

Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#6045: Sep 11th 2018 at 4:24:39 AM

Or you can point them upward and have them fight all the Jerkass aliens that tend to attack Earth. When the Kymellians are the ones that are nicest to Earth, you know there's a problem.

GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
#6046: Sep 11th 2018 at 5:02:44 AM

The discrimination metaphor is a core part of the X-Men mythos. There's no way to remove it from them, even if it turns into The Artifact, because that's what they are all about.

A way for the MCU to deal with this would be to leave the X-Men in an universe of their own. They can establish methods for jumping from one universe to the other, and so allow team-ups and the like, and at the same time avoid the inevitable questions that would arise with their introduction such as: why are the Avengers treated as celebrities and the X-Men feared? Where have mutants been this whole time?

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Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#6047: Sep 11th 2018 at 6:25:40 AM

If the MCU were to go the route of mutant discrimination, I would just leave it to three movies at most:

  • Just have Charles Xavier and his school for mutants. He helps them control their powers and attempts to have them assimilate into normal life.
  • Let the inciting incident paint the mutants in a bad light. Have an Avengers cameo where they run off to fight and defeat a mutant threat. That way, people like the Avengers will be accepted but mutants feared.
  • Have Charles Xavier come up and make the X-Men. Due to his advanced age and his disability, he won't be able to lead. Get the O5 together and start from there. Have them fight a non-mutant threat. This is important because a mutant fighting a mutant seems like mutants are just cleaning their messes. Charles should know that a mutant fighting a non-mutant threat is better PR in the long run.
  • This doesn't stop mutant hate, but it does cause a schism in the court of public opinion, a schism that brings in Moira MacTaggert and several human allies.
  • Don't retread old ground with the Brotherhood and Apocalypse. Have the X-Men fight the U-Men and Mr. Sinister who intends on creating the perfect superhuman.

After they become respected heroes, go into the weirder elements of X-Men. In fact, tease Franklin Richards.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#6048: Sep 11th 2018 at 10:51:19 AM

Anyone remember the Neo, that Proud Warrior Race of isolationist mutants Claremont created when he returned in the early aughts that were hyped up as the next big thing?

They were goofy.

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#6049: Sep 11th 2018 at 12:11:41 PM

They would actually be a good group of villains in future animated X-Men adaptions.

Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#6050: Sep 11th 2018 at 6:19:52 PM

Or visit new locations like Savage lands. I also agree the MCU doesn't need to retread the mutants racism completely like the Fox movies.

Edited by Mizerous on Sep 11th 2018 at 9:21:16 AM

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