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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#151: Nov 5th 2016 at 5:35:58 AM

From Google search tells me, officially Mokuba is 11 in Japan, 13 in USA, while Serenity is 13 in both Japan and the USA. Two years difference at the most.

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#152: Nov 5th 2016 at 8:59:40 AM

I'll keep your suggestions in mind (hell, I did highlight that I'm not satisfied with Misato's card level, right?)... though it would help if you had put them in a folder format like I did, rather than as a note; the latter makes it harder to swiftly copy-paste for one reason or the other.
Don't know how to do folders, and I did the Note thing so I could more-or-less keep the flow of the paragraph intact.

Also, a fic where Joey gets a deck similar to Nightshroud's.
That just makes me think of Joey showing up out of nowhere during GX's Society of Light arc and punking the crap out of somebody with Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon.

On a different note, I really would appreciate suggestions for alternative names to use for the made-up archetype that I had described previously. Neither the original "Cyber Evangel" nor the current "Evangynoid (Soldier)" are satisfying.
Sorry man, I got nuthin'. I'm pretty fond of "Cyber Evangel" myself.

From Google search tells me, officially Mokuba is 11 in Japan, 13 in USA, while Serenity is 13 in both Japan and the USA. Two years difference at the most.
Holy crap, I would'a swore that Serenity was older than that.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#153: Nov 5th 2016 at 9:11:53 AM

Don't know how to do folders, and I did the Note thing so I could more-or-less keep the flow of the paragraph intact.
You do it the same way you do it in the wiki. Text-Formatting Rules contains all the instructions, which are pretty simple.

And as for the flow... you could just keep all the folders at the end of the post, right after the non-note text.

Holy crap, I would'a swore that Serenity was older than that.
Hey, the main characters are all 16, and Serenity is visibly shorter than all of them except Yugi (I think at least half a head). It stands to reason that she's 2-3 years younger than them.

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#154: Nov 5th 2016 at 9:25:43 AM

Hey, the main characters are all 16, and Serenity is visibly shorter than all of them except Yugi (I think at least half a head). It stands to reason that she's 2-3 years younger than them.
I thought the main characters (or at least Joey and Tristan) were closer to 17, and that Serenity was 15.

Incidentally, after watching the Tag Team duel with the Paradox brothers the other day.... I'm actually thinking of doing a short fic where Joey (somehow) beats Yugi in the final match of the Duelist Kingdom, and then goes on to face Pegasus.

Joey uses Yugi's "Glory of the King's Opposite Hand" and declares that in addition to the prize money, he also wants Pegasus to give Kaiba, Mokuba, and Yugi's grandpa their souls back. Pegasus consents to those conditions, on the proviso that Yugi wagers his Millennium Puzzle on the outcome of the duel — if Joey wins he can keep it, if Pegasus wins he gets it. Yugi agrees to the terms because of his faith in Joey, and the duel commences.

Against all odds and in spite of all Pegasus's bullshit OP Toons and Millennium Eye hax, Joey gets the win.

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#155: Nov 5th 2016 at 9:28:59 AM

What would you guys think of doing a fic where Mai has a rematch with Yami Marik?

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#156: Nov 5th 2016 at 9:34:47 AM

...how does that work, exactly?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#157: Nov 5th 2016 at 9:41:28 AM

Don't really have an idea of how it would really. My idea for now is something happens that causes the Shadowrealm to start spewing into the human world and some of Yugi's past enemies return. The gang gets back together and calls in some old friends for help and Mai overcomes her fear of Marik to save Joey after he is captured by Marik.

It shows Mai taking a level in badass and helps her reunite with her friends.

I'm more of an idea's person than a writer, I'm afraid.

edited 5th Nov '16 9:42:07 AM by windleopard

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#158: Nov 5th 2016 at 10:44:50 AM

[up][up][up][up] ... Joey managing to win against Pegasus with latter using the deck that he used against Yugi sounds like a blatant Ass Pull to me. At the very least, he shouldn't have any way to beat Thousand-Eyes Restrict unless either Yugi for some reason gives him both Kuriboh and Multiply, or you invent whole new cards for Joey that are just as anti-hax against Thousand-Eyes Restrict as Yugi's combo was.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#159: Nov 6th 2016 at 2:58:33 PM

Doubleposting to mention something that occured to me regarding the "Cyber Evangel" and "Evangynoid" names. The reason I'm not that partial to them is because they're too obvious as a Shout-Out IMO, plus in the latter's case it has the unforunate stipulation that the archetype's monsters should be all female (because, you know, males can't be gynoids unless they're either "crossdressers" or M 2 F transsexuals).

If only there was a relatively short name that could more or less encapsulate "futuristic Supersoldiers" without leaning too much either of their natures (that is, they're more or less equally Cyborgs and Bio-Augmented)...

edited 6th Nov '16 2:59:47 PM by MarqFJA

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RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#160: Nov 6th 2016 at 8:06:42 PM

[up] [up] Gear Freed should be immune to every magic and most card effect, so that's a start. Removing Thousand Eyes Restrict should be possible by bombing the entire field.

Sure, that's inelegant and a bit risky, but Joey isn't known for subtlety and elegance, anyway.

Also, Scapegoat can be used to, basically, lengthen your breath.

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#161: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:43:43 PM

I had initially considered Thousand-Eyes Restrict as something of a "time limit" (meaning, Pegasus plays it, he basically wins).... but in hindsight, Joey even has a counter for that, too.

Looking at how the cards work according to the Duelist Kingdom rules.... a lucky spin with Time Wizard (when not used in conjunction with Baby Dragon) more-or-less nukes everything on the opponent's side of the field. And if Thousand-Eyes Restrict survives it (like the Harpy Lady Sisters did), then all 1000 of its eyes will probably go blind from ridiculously old age.

And as for Toon World? 1) Tea or Mai trade him a De-Spell, or much more likely 2) he plays Copycat as Toon World, leading to a Toon vs Toon showdown.

Because let's face it, using the Duelist Kingdom rules, Time Wizard and Copycat give Joey a chance of beating literally ANYONE under the right circumstances (yes, even Kaiba — Time Wizard nukes BEWD with its effect, Kaiba eats 1500 points of damage to his LP for it plus damage for any other monsters he controlled at the time). ....sure, it's a Luck-Based Mission, but by the time we get to Battle City, that's basically half of Joey's entire gimmick.

@Bomber: Joey isn't shown to have Gearfried in his deck during Duelist Kingdom; IIRC, it first debuts in Battle City.

@ "Cyber Evangel" archetype name: ....does "Herald of the Future — [Name]" tickle your fancy? (since "Neon Genesis/Shinseiki Evangelion" supposedly translates to something like "Gospel of the New Beginning"/"Gospel of the New Century")

edited 6th Nov '16 10:49:27 PM by EvaUnit01

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#162: Nov 7th 2016 at 2:06:38 AM

RE Joey's chances against Pegasus: Do note that Pegasus specifically designed his deck to be pretty much invincible. It's a miracle that he overlooked the possibility of combining Kuriboh and Multiply to disable Thousand-Eye Restrict, probably because Kuriboh is one of the weakest monsters ever and... well, who the hell uses Multiply, anyway? Basically, Yugi wins due to the absurd on-paper weakness of two specific cards; Time Wizard seems like the kind of card that Pegasus would be on the watch for.

....does "Herald of the Future — [Name]" tickle your fancy? (since "Neon Genesis/Shinseiki Evangelion" supposedly translates to something like "Gospel of the New Beginning"/"Gospel of the New Century")
... No.

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#163: Nov 7th 2016 at 8:16:05 AM

Well, sure, Pegasus built as bullshithax a deck as possible.... but the right cards played at the right time can still feasibly beat him, Plot Armor or other meta-logic notwithstanding.

And at least at the time of Duelist Kingdom, we have yet to see a card capable of countering Time Wizard's effect.

thebandragoness Since: Feb, 2016
#164: Nov 7th 2016 at 1:07:12 PM

[up]Well, Time Wizard was a spell card in the original manga, so logically any standard spell negation card would work. Pegasus's Magic Neutralizing Force might do it. All spells were quick-play in the manga, so he could probably flip it the instant Joey's Time Wizard activated. And if that fails, I'm sure Pegasus runs a De-Spell. It was basically a staple card in the manga.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#165: Nov 7th 2016 at 10:40:32 PM

What if Joey borrowed some cards from Yugi and Mai for back up? How well would he fair?

thebandragoness Since: Feb, 2016
#166: Nov 8th 2016 at 5:22:42 AM

[up]Well, I'm pretty sure if Pegasus found out about that (like by reading Joey's mind with the Eye), Joey would be disqualified, since you weren't supposed to change your deck once you got off the boat (Actually, the original manga said you were only allowed to have a 40 card deck, which technically means Yugi should only have a 35 card deck without Exodia. I dunno, maybe some kid brought too many cards by mistake and gave some to Yugi). Then again, Bandit Keith cheated the heck out of the tournament and he didn't get punished until after he'd already gotten to duel.

But assuming Pegasus didn't care (or they're dueling outside a tournament or whatever), then yeah, Joey probably could beat Pegasus if he borrowed cards from Yugi or Mai, just so long as either Pegasus chose to play fair for once and not cheat with the Eye (Yeah, fat chance) or else Yugi and friends discovered that the power of friendship could block the Eye's power way earlier in the match.

Actually, I've got some index cards with the Dueslit Kingdom cards written on them, which I use to play with the Duelist Kingdom rules. I could probably dig those out of storage and make the Joey deck fight the Pegasus deck (or you could do it yourself using a notepad and a random number generator). The problem is, Pegasus used way less than 40 cards, so you can't really give him a full deck unless you put in multiples, and I really think the implication was he only had one Toon World, or else it wouldn't be such a big deal when Yugi destroyed it.

(Also, for the record, when I duel with the Pegasus Duelist Kingdom deck, Pegasus tends to insta-win as soon as he draws Toon World. Card's broken as heck.)

edited 8th Nov '16 5:30:44 AM by thebandragoness

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#167: Nov 8th 2016 at 12:56:55 PM

Guys, guys! I think I finally found a name for that Evangelion-themed archetype/series.

"Engellider Force". Engellider is an ad hoc portmanteau of German (the other main Gratuitous Foreign Language for Neon Genesis Evangelion, besides English) and Anglicized Latin meaning roughly "attacker of Angels" or, figuratively, "Angel-killer"note . "Force" is because... well, the archetype represents a (para)military force that includes living (super)soldiers (who are denoted as "Engellider Force — Supersoldier ...") as well as a few augmented animals and AI-controlled mecha.

edited 8th Nov '16 12:57:59 PM by MarqFJA

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thebandragoness Since: Feb, 2016
#168: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:07:00 PM

Okay, I was bored and curious earlier and so I did a "duel" between the Joey and Pegasus Duelist Kingdom decks using a pencil, paper, numbered lists of their cards (They were less-than-40-card decks though), and a random number generator. Joey drew into Copycat and Graverobber right away and he still got his butt kicked. The problem is Joey's deck is full of low-attack Normal Monsters, so he's basically stuck putting weaklings in defense mode. Even if he uses Copycat on Toon World, his monsters can't beat Pegasus's toons because their ATK is so much lower. And I think he has much better odds of bricking his hand than of drawing into Red-Eyes. By "bricking," I mean getting a hand full of spells/traps, which is an insta-lose condition in the Duelist Kingdom manga rules, where if you can't put a monster onto the field, you lose.

I don't think Time Wizard would work either, since Pegasus's toons hide inside of Toon World during Joey's turn. And besides, Time Wizard's effect was super inconsistent in the manga. It returned the Harpy Ladies to their original ATK power, it destroyed Red-Eyes and made Rex instantly lose, and it caused Barrel Dragon to rust and lose 1000 ATK. I'm not even sure what it would do to the toons even if Time Wizard could effect them.

But of course, I used actual randomness instead of the Magic Poker Equation, and also the Duelist Kingdom rules were bananas, so take all this with a grain of salt.

I have too much time on my hands...

edited 8th Nov '16 6:09:01 PM by thebandragoness

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#169: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:11:52 PM

Joey loses because Pegasus reads him mind and knows his every move well before anyone thinks to use the power of Friendship to try and stop it.

I love the dude, but that's just how it is.

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#170: Nov 8th 2016 at 11:19:23 PM

Time Wizard speeds up time enough that the Toon World book withers and decays (the pages wither away to nothing, the ink fades and degrades to the point of basically not existing anymore, etc.). Toons outside of Toon World suffer the same fate, and any Toons that were inside it are snuffed out with the book.

And in terms of pure beatstick power, I'm pretty sure REBD beats out anything Pegasus is shown to have in his deck except for Ryu-Ran in DEF mode. (BETD is a stolen and modified version of one of Kaiba's monsters, so I'm pretty sure that Pegasus can't play it against any other opponent.)

Krika Since: Dec, 2010
#171: Nov 9th 2016 at 2:06:17 AM

Pegasus uses Copycat to make Toon Time Wizard, and uses its power to roll time back to the golden age of cartoons, reviving all his Toons with doubled attack. RIP Joey.

edited 9th Nov '16 2:06:42 AM by Krika

thebandragoness Since: Feb, 2016
#172: Nov 9th 2016 at 4:54:07 AM

[up]From that point on, his toon monsters are all silent and in black-in-white.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#173: Jun 12th 2017 at 9:32:28 PM

I've given Fallen King, Glass, Loaded Bones, and Being Dead Ain't Easy trope pages. ^^ Fanfics are awesome!

edited 12th Jun '17 10:18:15 PM by lalalei2001

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thebandragoness Since: Feb, 2016
#174: Jun 14th 2017 at 11:15:49 AM

I'll start on my own Yugioh fanfic, too, as soon as I finish the other stuff I'm writing at the moment. The plot is really starting to crystallize in my head.

edited 14th Jun '17 11:16:19 AM by thebandragoness

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#175: Aug 23rd 2017 at 3:08:50 AM

In My Rival's Shoes

Found this pretty funny fanfic. Basic premise: Bakura switches Joey and Kaiba's bodies. Hijinks ensue.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7612357/1/In-My-Rival-s-Shoes


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