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Hmm. See, he's just too smooth to be Cage in my opinion. Yeah it was hella funny, but he's not somebody I would think of first. I actually thin he'd make a great Black Panther. He has that voice working for him.

That wouldn't be too bad actually. Plus, BP's more likely right now. They've set him up a bit so far, as I've mentioned before.

Problem is, I could see a bit of a problem finding an audience for Black Panther. There's the name, and there's also the fact that people could be racially uncomfortable on both sides.

The credits for The Avengers could be loooong. Two things I wonder: who Stan Lee will show up as, and what will be teased in The Stinger.

edited 9th Aug '11 10:14:06 PM by wanderlustwarrior

"I am not a horse!"

I think Mustafa does seem too tame to be Cage. Though he's on my list for Luke Cage actors, Crewes is at the top.

My vote goes to Mustafa for Cage. I think it could be possible for Cage and Fist to share one film that does their origin stories, but in that case they would have to change their origins to tie them together. It probably wouldn't be too hard, since those stories would be pretty flexible. Have the guy who killed Danny's father have a connection to Luke being framed.

Luke already got his powers from a variation on the Super-Soldier serum, so that's already a connection to the Captain America film. Combining the two might be confusing for people unfamiliar with the characters though, and there could be pacing issues, but it might work. It might end up being more of a Luke Cage story if they can't implement elements from Iron Fist's mythos, especially all the stuff from Immortal Iron Fist, which I loved.

(I split this into two posts because it was getting long.)

I posted this in the Avengers thread: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=27969

It seems the Pyms might be in the Avengers movie, though it could be a mistake since no actors are listed. Ever since Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes, I've been a big fan of Wasp and Ant-Man. I hope if/when they do show up, they're like their AEMH incarnations (and NOT like the Ultimates version).

I came up with ideas some for how an Ant-Man and Wasp film might work. Hank could be a researcher working for Vernon Van Dyne's company, and there he creates his cyber helmet for controlling insects. Hank becomes acquainted with Janet, but she remains distant. At some point, someone attempts to break into the labs (either to steal something or for corporate sabotage) while Hank and Janet are there. Hank gets to command an army of ants to fend off the intruders, but one of them gets the jump on him. Before he gets killed though, Hank is saved by Janet who reveals her powers to him.

After the intruders are dealt with/get away/whatever, Janet explains her shrinking and stinging powers and Hank promises not to tell anyone if she lets him study her. Janet agrees, and they become close as Hank does his research. He discovers the secret to Janet's shrinking and replicates Pym particles, thus allowing him to shrink as well.

From here my ideas aren't so developed. All I can think of is that at some point Hank presents his discovery to Janet's dad. The villains reveal themselves and end up killing Vernon Van Dyne, steal an invention and use it to do bad stuff. Hank and Janet end up fighting said villains and Hank becomes Giant-Man during the final battle.

I'm sure someone with more knowledge of Marvel could fill in the details. If I were to take a page from the show, I guess the villain could be Klaw trying to get his hands on vibranium. The one problem I can see for this story is that is depends on Janet being a mutant, and I'm not sure if Marvel would be allowed to do that, what with them not having the film rights to X-Men. I suppose they could gloss over it, and never say the word mutant. I would greatly prefer it if Janet had her own powers and didn't get them from Hank. That's one thing I can say I like about their Ultimate versions.

edited 10th Aug '11 11:56:14 AM by StarOutlaw

When does he smack her?

In the sequel where he goes nuts and turns into Yellowjacket.

That's the one where he splits into multiple people, named Goliath, Ant-Man and YJ, because every super hero film but Thor has to have a bad guy with the same powers as the hero, right?

He'll unite his personalities in time to take down Ultron.

edited 10th Aug '11 1:32:47 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Ultron not enough for Hank Pym? Then again, he became a big enough threat to be more of an Avengers villain than a dedicated Ant Man villain >>

All those identies are different names Hank has gone through.

He can't keep it straight.

I can very easily see why Hank is often the Butt-Monkey in parodies. He just kind of sucks.

Hell, he's not even the best character on The Avengers with his first name!

edited 10th Aug '11 1:34:08 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Hank's concept can work well... Look at The Atom. Guess what Hank ISN'T

The best think about Hank is Ultron, who is a really great villain. But otherwise, in every incarnation, he appears to be a whinny jerk.

Likeable?

It seemed to me that in Justice League, Ray was one of those characters that got along with all of the heroes he interacted with. Plus, he introduced "Personally, I blame you" into my lexicon.

edited 10th Aug '11 2:18:24 PM by wanderlustwarrior

The Atom is likeable and awesome. Exactly.

Hank needs a writing crew either mocking him in a Tony Stark fashion or not be a dick period.

Wow, I must be the only Pym fan here. Great. :/ I see Never Live It Down is strong in this thread.

Hank's AEMH incarnation is, in my opinion, his best, which is why I hope the film version draws from that. He's not a dick and he's less whinny, and he does get called out for being whinny. I'm really only a fan of that version, and I do like how he's handled in Avengers Academy.

I'd hate to be that guy who has to defend this character and look like an insistent jerk, but Hank Pym really is my favorite Avenger. If they're going to do a movie with him I'd like him not to be a lame Butt-Monkey.

I think size shifting powers in general are hard to make cool. On one hand, shrinking makes the character look small and weak, which isn't cool. On the other hand, if they grow into enormous size, that turns every fight into a David Versus Goliath, with them as the Goliath (haha). That means whoever the big guy fights becomes the underdog, even if they already have immense power. So they have to fight something as big or bigger than themselves to avoid a Whorf Affect.

Play it as a love story.

When you get right down to it, the only reason Hank Pym isn't an out-and-out mad scientist is because he's got Janet Or, last time I checked, her memory to inspire him. The inferiority complex, the bad temper, and the accidentally-making-genocidal-robots thing? All hints at the supervillain that Hank was fated to be.

Actually, I'm ignorant as to the character himself. This may be a Poe's Law thing that keeps it from being noticed, but I was thinking of how Never Live It Down has become his defining characteristic now in the fandom and writers. And I find that hilarious.

But as a character, he's just not that interesting. Why have him as a scientist when you could have Reed, or Doom, or Tony, or T'Challa, etc. Why have Hank Pym, when you could have Hank McCoy? As for size shifting, I prefer The Atom, and even Janet. Hank's just seemed kind of there.

edited 10th Aug '11 2:55:13 PM by wanderlustwarrior

That's probably why that Ant Man film mooted a while back was concentrated on the other Ant Man, Scott Lang. He does sound like a more er, likeable chap.

If you're ignorant to the character himself, how can you tell if he's interesting or not?

The argument is that, because there are already super scientists, Pym being one makes him redundant. I don't think that makes for a good argument, because by that logic, Hank Mc Coy, who was created after Pym, is also redundant for being a super scientist, and so is every other super smart character in the Marvel Universe. It's like saying Aquaman is redundant because you already have Superman for super strength, but now people are saying how awesome he's becoming.

So the problem is not the powers, but in characterization. Clearly, I find Pym interesting (or at least his cartoon version). I find his inferiority complex and multiple personalities interesting. I like that in AEMH he's struggling with being a pacifist hero having to compromise his principles. I don't care if The Atom uses his powers in more creative ways. I'm not interested in the Atom one bit, even if popular opinion is that he's an awesome Sizeshifter.

It's just one big case of Your Mileage May Vary, I guess.

edited 10th Aug '11 3:26:55 PM by StarOutlaw

I just don't like him. It doesn't have to do with Never Live It Down, which in his case I find hilarious, it's because he was just never appealing to me. I had a copy of Fantastic Four which featured him as Ant-Man, and I thought "who is this guy, nevermind, too bored to care". And I was also introduced to Beast first, through the excellent 90's X Men series, and the still pretty good X Men Evolution.

I can accept that. It seems that we both like our favorite characters through exposure to different cartoon versions. I just don't like the implication that a character "sucks." If they do suck, then it's probably the writer's fault for not using them better.

Like I said, I'm a Hank Pym fan through the cartoon, which I think is his best incarnation. The AEMH Hank is a rather different character from the one in the comics, but to me it proves that the he doesn't have to boring or lame, so that's the kind of Hank Pym I want to see in the MCU. Kind of like when you compare The DCAU or Batman The Brave And The Bold versions of Aquaman to the Superfriends Aquaman. If you don't like that version of him either, that's fine.

edited 10th Aug '11 3:49:30 PM by StarOutlaw

Simon Pegg for Hank Pym. Just sayin'.

Ike Turner for Hank Pym.