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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
In all seriousness, most likely, yes.
It's been fun.
So apparently Giuliani went apeshit on Cuomo's show last night re: the Ukraine scandal.
De Blasio has officially dropped out.
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Saw it too.
(ended up laughing out loud and facepalming at the same time.)
He just confessed to a highly (if not the textbook example) impeachable crime committed by Donald Trump right then and there...
...How can congress not impeach him at this point!?
Edited by TitanJump on Sep 20th 2019 at 4:35:10 PM
Because Republicans
Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 20th 2019 at 8:40:56 AM
Cuz his purpose as a useful idiot to the Evil Turtle is worth more than the integrity of the country it seems.
Because many Democrats remain unconvinced that being acquitted by the Senate will hurt Trump.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Oh, bother.
GOP Senators are lacking in...everything, really. So they won't vote against Trump in impeachment no matter what.
Disgusted, but not surprised
But the issue here is that if isn't impeached for this (or any of the other corrupt business he has done as a president), then why on earth does even the mere concept of impeachment exist in the constitution if the bar to invoke it is raised up into other space where it can never be invoked?
Doesn't this risk to undermine one of the guard-rails set by the founders for the rule of law in this country which was founded to escape the rule of a "monarch/autocrat" in favor for an independent government ruled by its people?
Edited by TitanJump on Sep 20th 2019 at 4:59:08 PM
Lost in Space
Oh, look, another impeachment argument.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 20th 2019 at 11:00:19 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
It's a constitutional crisis/breakdown at the most charitable reading. The Senate has committed itself to aiding and abetting criminal action by the President, effectively rendering him immune to it. There is nothing against that except voting him out of office because the government is not set up for a wholesale The Illuminati conspiracy of half the Federal government to side with a man serving a foreign power, perjuring himself, obstructing, and otherwise displaying gross criminal behavior.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Put quite simply, impeachment is a political process first and foremost, not a criminal one.
Congress isn’t required to impeach a president if he commits crimes. They choose to impeach.
Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 20th 2019 at 8:08:13 AM
They should have sent a poet.
Even if his crimes threatens the country and its people as a whole?
Yep, even then. Whether or not to impeach is solely up to the discretion of the House of Representatives.
Like I said, it’s a political process, not a criminal one.
They should have sent a poet.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
Unlike, say, the District Attorney who is ethically obligated to pursue any crime they are aware of, even if it's done by someone they like or if they don't think the crime is morally objectionable, Congress has no ethical obligation to pursue impeachment.
Whether they have a moral obligation is up to one's personal opinion.
Edited by Robrecht on Sep 20th 2019 at 5:12:42 PM
Angry gets shit done.
Lost in Space
There are two ways under the Constitution to remove a sitting President: impeachment and the 25th Amendment.
Impeachment requires a majority vote by the House and conviction requires a two-thirds vote by the Senate. That's it. It's not a judicial process; it's a political one. If not enough Members of Congress decide to do it, it doesn't happen.
The 25th Amendment provides a mechanism by which the executive officers (i.e., the Cabinet) may declare the President incapable of discharging the duties of the office. This is intended for use in situations of infirmity, and the President may apply to Congress for reinstatement once they are fit again. It has never been used for an "internal coup", and seems unlikely to be in this case. It is also unclear whether "acting" Cabinet members have the authority to initiate a proceeding, and so Trump could forestall it simply by not confirming anyone to those posts.
Absent the above? Vote him out.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 20th 2019 at 11:19:33 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
That's Dr. Title, thank you!
On impeachment, the Founding Fathers didn't really anticipate political parties when writing the Constitution (the 12th Amendment being needed as an Obvious Rule Patch to fix Presidential election is another example of this). They certainly didn't anticipate a rogue President with a political party behind him making impeachment impossible.
Political factions already existed in the US when the Constitution was written. The Founders didn’t particularly like them, but they were definitely anticipated at the very least.
Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 20th 2019 at 8:25:45 AM
They should have sent a poet.
Oh, bother.
Washington was the only Independent President for a reason. Political parties started forming pretty much right after he left office for good, much to his irritation.
Disgusted, but not surprised
They formed while he was in office. They were much more informal than today, but the factions started forming as soon as the Constitution left the convention to be ratified, mostly over whether the Constitution should be ratified at all.
Washington was technically an independent but he's always listed as a "de facto Federalist" for a reason. Popular history calls Hamilton the leader of the party and that Washington just happened to agree with his policies, but in reality most of the marching orders came from Washington himself. He just understood the importance of maintaining the veneer of being above it all to keep the country united.
Asgore Adopts Noelle
They actually formed during the Constitutional Creation Process; the Democrats (now referred to as the Democratic-Republicans) were the Anti-Federalists that were worried about a super powerful Federal Government impeding on the rights of States, and were the main pushers of the Bill of Rights in order to support the Constitution.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
Does anyone want me to one-up this by pointing out that the parties pre-date independence as there was some level of self-governance as well as adherence to the parties of the home country in the colonies?
Angry gets shit done.
Oh, bother.
Essentially, factions have kind of always been a thing in the USA.
Disasturbator
ergo,creating a country without factions is impossible,even if you don't have a royal family or nobility you'll still have powerful groups of people coming together because of a common interest
New theme music also a box
I wonder if his anti-Obama drive is payback for Obama's Lion King gag, mocking birtherism when Trump was literally in the room?
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."