General Mario Thread

You wouldn't be able to kill them...

But Buzzy Beetles and Spiketops also already exist.

Edited by randomness4 on Nov 4th 2018 at 9:34:14 AM

There'd still be ways to differentiate them, especially in slightly more complex platformers were Mario has more options, but that's still just me trying to justify a cool sub-enemy's existence more than anything. They're neat little piles of rock.

I could see them basically functioning like Gordos in Kirby. Moving back and forth at a moderate speed in one set area, immune to pretty much anything except a star or perhaps a Yoshi tongue.

I read bout the Hype Backlash towards Paper Mario Thousand Year Door, Super Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG (to an extent) but it wasn't until I got on Game Faqs that I realized how much. It seems these games along with some others are harshly criticized for not fitting in Mario's general aesthetic despite the fact that they have their fair share of humor and charm to counter whatever "Anti Mario" traits they "supposedly" have. I enjoy those games but they seem to hate it for the exact same reasons I like it.

GameFAQs is always full of idiots.

What are these "anti-Mario" traits anyway? Having a story?

According to Miyamoto, yes.

Well, Yoshiaki Koizumi should be in charge of Paper Mario then because Koizumi loves adding story to games. Heck, Koizumi even made the entire story for The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening behind Miyamoto's back.

Edited by CybranGeneralSturm on Nov 8th 2018 at 10:28:16 AM

Miyamoto is likely to have minimal effect on future games since he's has his hands full with Illumination's Mario movie and the Nintendo sections in various Universal theme parks.

My feelings on that movie is still best summed up as "not sure if want".

Mario Odyssey's worlds being so full of character and life compared to the creatively anemic New SMB and 3D Land + World seemed to point towards that.

He wasn't involved with NSMB, he's only ever involved with the main 3D games.

Edited by randomness4 on Nov 8th 2018 at 10:56:47 AM

I added that in because I couldn't write "creatively anemic" in the context of Mario without that subseries coming to mind

It seems as though they hate some of the designs that really look bizarre despite the Mario games really have some strange characters as some have pointed out. They also hate Mario games with story believing that some villains like Grodus are just Bowser with a different tint although they do have things in common, they are not completely the same.

Hating Mario games that have a story is kinda stupid in my opinion. Grodus is very different from Bowser as Grodus managed to coerce Mario into letting him strike the red-hatted man down by threatening Peach. Bowser never does that in any of the games that I've seen or played. Not only that, but Bowser also inadvertently saves Mario by crashing right on top of Grodus.

Edited by CybranGeneralSturm on Nov 11th 2018 at 4:59:36 AM

I'll admit that there's some things about the Paper Mario series that I'm not personally a fan of. Things like the characterization of characters like Luigi and Bowser.

But that's entirely a personal taste matter and I'm not gonna go around calling the game "Anti-Mario" because of it. That's just an absurd notion cause the Mario series can be so many things it's hard to be "Anti-Mario"

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Luigi's not exactly that different from any other portrayal...1st Paper Mario aside.

Bowser doesn't need to use Peach as leverage...it often wouldn't matter.

It's still kinda insulting to Bowser that, in the end, he is nothing more than comic relief in the otherwise serious endgame for Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door. I do wonder though; would he even try to kidnap a Shadow Queen-possessed Peach or is that a situation where he would just throw his arms up and leave to let Mario deal with the problem?

Edited by CybranGeneralSturm on Nov 16th 2018 at 4:55:35 AM

I mean, it's not like he's that much of a threat in most of the the main games anyways. Espically since he's gotten his ass handed to him more times than he can count. He's long been something of a joke.

Good point. Maybe that's why Grodus, Count Bleck, Cackletta, and The Shroobs among others were created: Bowser's become too ineffective, so we need some new villains who can be taken seriously.

Hell, I'd argue that's why Smithy was created all the way back in SMRPG. Bowser has his badass moments there, but he's still partly comedy relief, and a lot of that was due to Bowser's reputation or lack thereof already starting to be cemented. Square saw the writing on the wall.

He's plenty badass in the later Mario & Luigi games while still being funny. You don't have to make Bowser a dope to make him funny.

You can also have other, bigger, villains without turning him into a dope either.

Edited by HarpieSiren on Nov 16th 2018 at 8:57:52 AM

Bowser usually has at least some competent moments in most of the RP Gs. He was mostly comic relief in TTYD, but the fight against him near the end was pretty tough.

I didn't like his portrayal in Dream Team because it made him too serious of a villain.

Indeed. I've already given up on the Paper Mario series ever returning to its roots so I'm just waiting for The Thousand Year Door to get rereleased or even Super Paper Mario since that game has a good story. Speaking of Thousand Year Door, if defying all odds it gets remade with a new partner, here's what I think would be that partner: Koopakawa Koemon VIII, the Wandering Koopatrol (This guy's a reference to Ishikawa Goemon XIII from Lupin III). He would show up as a boss in Chapter Six and joins Mario's group after being defeated by them at Riverside Station.

His no-FP attack is Sword Slash, which has him pull his sword back before swinging it to deal damage. Initial Rank other attack is Whirlwind, which blows away Fog and will instantly defeat enemies that give no Star Points while also dealing damage to any enemies that remain for 5 FP. At Super Rank Koopakawa Koemon learns Dimension Slash, which hits every enemy on the screen for a lot of damage at 6 FP. At Ultra Rank he learns Divine Blade, which blesses his sword with the power of the stars to let his attacks pierce through enemy defenses for 10 FP. His action commands are pressing buttons in the correct order during a timed sequence much like Auron's Overdrives from Final Fantasy X. In the case of Divine Blade, completing the button sequence increases the duration of the Star-Blessed positive status he gets (without action commands, he gets only two turns to benefit from it but if the action command succeeds he gets it for five turns).

Yes, this guy is effectively a partner who is only useful for battle but he's really good at it. He starts with a base attack of 2, at Ultra Rank has a base attack of 4, initially joins with 25 HP, and at Ultra Rank he has 50 HP. He would also be the only enemy partner who would use items, carrying an Ultra Life Shroom during the battle against him so that he effectively has 100 HP (normal Life Shrooms only heal 10 HP, but an Ultra Life Shroom will revive the user for 50 HP).

Edited by CybranGeneralSturm on Nov 16th 2018 at 7:43:21 AM