The only part of the trope shown, is a quote.: Beauty Is Bad

And it's not even front and center, it's just off to the side. Does this show anything about the trope?

Nah. To the extent it gets vaguely in the same territory as the actual trope, it's about Fat vs. Skinny, not Ugly vs. Beautiful. I suspect many people would put Mo'nique under Big Beautiful Woman.

Not me, although I agree with the take on the picture.

Doh, I forget to

Motion to pull image.

Seconded. It's only tangentially related to the trope, at best.

Thirding.

Pulled:

Got to it before me.

Three votes? That's a little quick on the trigger. Reinstating until we get more feedback..

Three votes is standard. There's nothing in that picture that says Beauty Is Bad, it says skinny women are evil, which is Lean and Mean, not inherently beautiful. Combined with the fact that it's neither a characterization, rather than an accusation, nor something related to media so much as primping to get purchases and it's on the page as a Take That! apparently.

Three votes is considered enough, so I re-pulled it.

edited 16th May '11 9:31:56 PM by Deboss

Why is three votes enough? There's thousands of users here, and the pull was done after one day.

It's become a standard practice to pull a pic after it gets three negative votes, with a clearly stated reason (or however many apply) for why the pic is bad. This was started to stave off arbitrary pic pulls.

edited 16th May '11 9:43:25 PM by Willbyr

That's standard. One of the purposes of Image Pickin' is the targeted destruction of bad images, which is what the vote was. Official wiki policy is that it's better to have no image rather than a bad image.

The "three votes and it's gone" was adopted because an Image Pickin' would get opened, nobody found a good image, it fell of the page and then got locked and then the page got a new Image Pickin' thread a month later with similar results. As such, when a page is brought to the attention, we're now trying to implement a "is this image bad?" vote, but without the crowner (as it rarely gets to that stage).

"Three" votes was chosen for standard Rule of Three reasons, IE, it's what we use for everything else. It was suggested to switch to five votes, but there wasn't significant support. We wanted to keep the required vote low enough that we could make a quick decision on the first page if possible while preventing the discussion about the quality of the image from bogging down the search for a good one.

Most images that get a three vote are bad, rather than "we can find a better one" which tend to stay on the page until such time as a better one is found. This was voted bad, mostly by forum regulars, however the tag at the top of the page allows anyone who can edit to see that A) the quality of the current image is under question and B) a direct link to the forum so they can have their voice heard. If they chose not to voice their opinion, that's their problem.

edited 16th May '11 9:51:51 PM by Deboss

That policy, though, means that all it takes to wipe out any picture at all is for three people to decide, ahead of time, that a picture needs to be wiped out... any picture at all, regardless of quality or appropriateness.

Yeah, not a perfect rule, but it works all right. Maybe we can raise the standard to four or five, but that's how it should work. You can't survey the whole audience; we're being practical.

Also, usually someone will complain if certain pics were pulled unfairly. If, then, his/her opinion would be outvoted by those doing the pulling, well, that's just democracy.

It's not like the pic can't be put back up if further discussion comes to that conclusion.

It is not only three people think the image is bad, it is three people think the image is bad and nobody disagrees.

No, it's +3 people think it's bad. Ie: if one person thinks it's good, you need 4 people to think it's bad.

Does anyone have a suggestion? A GIS for "beauty is evil" spits out a bunch of Evil Is Sexy.

edited 20th May '11 2:25:58 AM by Deboss

When there is reasonable support for a picture then we should make a crowner. By reasonable I mean, that someone is able to state points wich support the image (the same way the people supporting a pull should state their reason.) There are often more votes in a crowner than people participating in discussions. When a consens doesn't fell clear enough a lot of people would be unhappy about the decision not backed up by a crowner.

The three vote rule should be more something like: Three people are enough for a decision and when three people agree and nobody disagrees in a reasonable amount of time we can call it consensus.

We should probably discuss such things in the Image Pickin' Etiquette thread.

We didn't have anyone saying it's a good image, we had someone say that they disagree with the three votes rule.

Still, does no-one have any suggestions?

I think this may work. I googled "Evil Beauty" and got this as a result:

It may be Evil Is Sexy though.

edited 20th May '11 3:49:05 AM by Ekuran

I got that one too. Wasn't sure how to show the difference between Beauty Is Bad and Evil Is Sexy though.

This image showes Evil Is Sexy

As far as I understand the trope it is more about characters like The Libby beeing attractive to make the Girl Next Door protagonist look more like an underdog.

Beauty Is Bad means that the character is arrogant, vain and mean but the good look still allowes them to be a rival to the protagonist.

Well, this guy has good conventional looks, but he looks like an ass:

EDIT: Never mind

edited 20th May '11 8:48:52 PM by neoYTPism