Does YMMV apply if the trope shows up in universe?

If an author of a work and the work's universe both confirm a YMMV is canon to the universe in question (both the author and the characters within agree "X character is a Complete Monster" for instance), it is still YMMV?

And, if so, do those tropes still go into a YMMV section for that work, despite being confirmed by Word of God?

Just because an author intends a character to be a Complete Monster doesn't mean fans will see it that way, because mileage varies on the trope. Hence, it still goes in the YMMV page.

Well, if the author, the characters around the Complete Monster in question, and the character accused of being one all agree the title is appropriate and said character's actions fit the trope, is it still YMMV?

Check Playing with a Trope and see if it falls into any of the categories there. The ones under "Specific characters (or the narrator) can also play with tropes" are okay on the main page. If you're not sure, bring it up on that page's discussion or in the Trope Talk forum.

Yes, because it's an audience reaction. If you are upset with this, go yell at the people who wouldn't quit using it to describe characters they hate with it.

Well, the reason I ask is because I put a few tropes on the fanfic page for my Super Robot Wars High to confirm they are facts in universe.

For example: The So Cool Its Awesome trope example states three alien races in the story find music to be this trope. The story characters back this up, as do I, the Word of God.

Is that still YMMV?

edited 13th Feb '11 7:44:12 PM by Rpgingmaster

No, because it's in-universe.

If other characters within the universe state that they think that another character is a Complete Monster, then you can put in on the Main page with the in-universe tag. Does that help?

Thanks, that does help.

More specifically, if they describe the character in-universe as a Complete Monster that fits the definition of our Complete Monster trope (irredeemably evil and whatnot), then it's okay.

In-Universe means it shows up within the work. Word of God and All There in the Manual by definition means it is not spelled out in the work, so it isn't In-Universe. It can still be added to the trope entry on YMMV, that being a Complete Monster was the intention. But creator intention doesn't always equal audience response.

I think in that situation, you can also list Complete Monster as They Plotted a Perfectly Good Waste on the Trivia page (because Word of God is Trivia).

edited 14th Feb '11 12:45:42 AM by troacctid

Complete Monster is not an audience reaction. It's a subjective trope. They're not one and the same.

edited 14th Feb '11 1:02:50 AM by Redhead

Correct.

Audience Reactions are Exactly What It Says on the Tin. They are reactions from the audience.

Subjective Tropes are more complicated. They objectively exist in works, but if they exist in a specific work and to what degree, it where the subjectivity lies.

edited 14th Feb '11 1:02:52 AM by shimaspawn

^^^ Anything that is just simple Word of God that doesn't have a corresponding trope would go on Trivia. If it is a Complete Monster entry on YMMV or Left Hanging on the main page and there are Word of God comments for them they can be used to suppliment the other entries.

I was wondering this myself. In Ramona Quimby, Mondegreen shows up as a YMMV trope, with the red dot and everything. But in the article page, it's clearly in-universe. It's Ramona herself who has the Mondegreen, mistakenly hearing the lyrics "dawn's early light" for "dawnzer's lee light". Later, her saying "I'd like to make Q's" is misheard as "I'd like to make use" by a substitute teacher.

Since it's totally in-universe and not subjective to the audience, it belongs on the Main page, right?

Yes, and you can put the words "in universe" in the example text to make the highlighting go away.