This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.
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Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM
Team Rocket Boss.
Pretty sure they both agreed to the deal, but Peter guilt tripped MJ into making the deal itself. OMIT retconned it to MJ being entirely for the deal but fuck OMIT.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
I can see how the fight's gonna go just based on that...
Peter: NYAAAARGH!
Miles: NAAAAARGH!
The FCBD story is a big let down sadly
they argue over pizza
Team Rocket Boss.
And here i thought it was because Miles scratched the Spider-Mobile
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
But what kind of pizza!? :P
The Protomen enhanced my life.
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Which place in New York served the best kind of pizza
The best I've had is John's Pizzerria at Bleecker Street.
Team Rocket Boss.
You know, all this talk about food in Peter's trope page makes me wonder, has there ever been an issue where Peter is just hanging by himself or with a friend and eating eating food? with like 800+ issues, there has to be at least 1 that's just fluff with no Spider-Man business.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
"Read 'Em and Weep" comes close.
Team Rocket Boss.
So that, Far from home trailer, i have mixed feelings about it, The supporting cast looks great and i like that Flash Thompson is more accurate at least, but on the other hand, more Tony Stark Jr. and Mysterio's character is iffy to me.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Obviously Spider-Men with its dimension hopping Mysterio is an influence. As is the fact that Tom Holland borrows a lot of his character from Miles Morales.
I mean it's amazing how much Fleeting Demographic Rule is trying to be put into effect. Iron Man used to be a second-string B-Lister who wasn't fit to shine Spider-Man's shoes. There are at best about five-six Iron Man stories as good as the low end of the Top 50 Spider-Man stories. His villains suck, as does most of his supporting cast. And now instead of Jameson and others we get Happy Hogan (who I hope dies).
And the big problem is that Tom Holland has zero chops as a leading man. He's too much of a character actor to be lead. He has no romantic chemistry. But at the end of the day I agree that this movie isn't made for me. This isn't about the character Spider-Man anymore. I am not sad just disappointed about that.
Funny but not helpful
Can we go a little while without talking about how much every other character in Marvel pales in comparison to Peter Parker Spider-Man?
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We actually don't do that often enough and it kind of feels that we should. Because as time passes Peter is being backslided into the kind of character he was intended to be responding against. Peter was the teenage non-sidekick hero who was his own. He was so good at being Spider-Man that Goblin couldn't believe that he was Just a Kid when he was unmasked. He was so good at keeping his identity a secret that for a long time a remarkably small number of people and no one in the superhero community knew his secret. Now all that is falling by the wayside.
He's Iron Boy, he's not good enough for that team of screw-ups and failures called the Avengers. And he's now being shown as exclusively teenage when that definitely isn't the way either of his creators intended him to remain. At this rate we'll never get to the major beats of his character and story.
Funny but not helpful
Blame Ultimate Spider-Man. Blame Marvel’s insistence that if Peter ages he’ll immediately drop dead.
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Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
I admit, while I don't mind Peter's time as a teenager being covered (because that was a part of his history, even if a minor part) I do agree that the refusal to let him move forward (and even push him back into more of the antithesis of what he originally was) is annoying.
It's true that, along side the O5 Xmen that he's one of the original kid heroes of Marvel, but they've all grown up now, and it's time people recognized that.
The Spectacular Spiderman was a great series that sought to explore that time in Peter's history, but it also planned to let him grow up too. I admit that most of my comic reading time for Spiderman comes from his college era and beyond, and it's frustrating to see that pushed back on.
Interesting Stories about Teenage Peter can be told, but they shouldn't be all his stories.
One Strip! One Strip!
I blame execution. The Ultimate Spider-Man comics didn't serve Peter as poorly or infantilize him to the level the MCU does. In the USM, Ultimate Peter came off as Wise Beyond Their Years and more mature than the jerk heroes of Ultimate Marvel and he got the big brass brand funeral in Death of USM with Ultimate Cap and others driven to do right and honor his passing with Miles and try the "be less of a d—k" approach to superheroism.
ITSV and Miles Morales got to be the non-sidekick hero more than Tom Holland ever will.
Edited by Revolutionary_Jack on May 6th 2019 at 9:52:24 AM
Calling Holland's Peter a sidekick is huge exaggeration. He's recruited as a reserve Avenger and comes on the space mission in Infinity War on his own volition.
I feel you have some very narrow-minded ideas about what a lead actually is.
You know, it's starting to sound more like you're really bitter that the Avengers are as popular as Spider-Man.
Edited by windleopard on May 6th 2019 at 10:08:00 AM
There's being additive and there's being subtractive. The Avengers coming into their own is fine, them coming into their own at the expense of Spider-Man's mythos not so.
It's the same principle behind DC propping up Batman at the expense of other DC characters, including Superman.
Except it's not being done at Spider-Man's expense. Hell, the first thing Marvel did once they got access to Peter was put him in a movie and have him kick Winter Soldier's ass.
Peter isn't losing out on movies or t.v. shows because Disney doesn't think Spider-Man doesn't sell, his books aren't getting cancelled, he's not turning into a villain etc. What's happening to him is far and away from what DC does to their non-Batman characters.
Well it's a step in that direction. First they undermined the Talking Fish guy, and I didn't speak up because I never cared for the talking fish guy...yada yada yada.
Just because it isn't that bad yet doesn't mean there aren't worrying signs.
I'm not seeing any worrying signs at all.
If anything, Peter's been treated far better than he's been in years. Frankly, I feel like it's Miles and Cindy who have been getting the short end of the stick lately though the former has Into The Spider-Verse.
Marvel threw the X-men under the bus.
They didn't throw Spider-Man.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
It's like the opening to Clarissa:
Nyarrgh ,nyarggh, nyaragg nyargg (just do it)
I think this might be a Mephisto event being announced, Peter vs Miles is coming in today's FCDB issue, both made deals with Mephisto, Marvel put up an article on Mephisto yesterday etc
Edited by Zarius on May 3rd 2019 at 10:29:27 AM