Follow TV Tropes


Headscratchers / Beast Machines

Go To

  • How did Waspinator get back to Cybertron? He doesn't have FTL capability, he doesn't technical know-how. Did he really go The Slow Path back to Cybertron? Just in time to be captured by Megatron?
    • No, its entirely possible that he landed much earlier, and simply laid low for a few vorns. Of course, given how much Cybertron moved around over the course of G1, and presumably thereafter, its entirely possible that he arrived shortly before Megatron's takeover simply because he couldn't remember where the planet was supposed to be until around then.
      • AFAIK, he went back to Cybertron after finding the rest of the survivors. This is told on one of the comics post-Beast Wars.
      • The real question is, when did he arrive on Cybertron? Depending on how long he traveled, he might have even arrived before the Great Upgrade...
    • Advertisement:
    • I seem to remember reading on that Waspinator was the Darksyde's pilot. Perhaps he cobbled something together out of spare Transwarp cells and a stasis pod.
  • On a similar note and all fan theories aside, just how did Megatron get so anti-organic? He showed no such resentment for most of his battles in Beast Wars, and actually seemed quite comfortable with his beast modes in general. Heck, with the power of his Dragon mode, he could defeat Optimus Primal in EVERY confrontation they had afterwards, with elemental strength. Why would he grow to hate something that gave him such power and the ability to overcome most of his enemies?
    • There was a Botcon script reading (or something like that) not long ago that involved Beast!Megatron interacting with Animated!Optimus and Sari on an AU!Cybertron. Maybe Sari's behavior during that is what convinced Megatron to be anti-organic.
    • By the end of Beast Wars, he's pretty vehemently anti-organic and pro-God!Megatron. Being lost on Cybertron for untold ages as the sole organic transformer might well have driven him over the edge.
      • Beast Wars Megatron ceased to be in a sense once he merged his spark with that of his Decepticon ancestor the original Megatron during the events of the beast wars season 3 episode master blaster because the original Megatron imprinted his mindset and attitude onto the personality and ego of the Predacon Megatron from beast wars, in a word beast machines Megatron's change of personality being due to the original Megatron having frankensteined him into a mental hybrid clone of the original Megatron's but with the Predacon Megatrons ego still being firmly in control of the hybrid mind, this would account for vehicon megatrons disgust for his beast mode and all cybertronians with such biological based alt modes,in a word the Vehicon Megatron having his ego influenced by the personality and attitude of the original Megatron ghost in the machine like
  • If Rattrap had such a big problem with his lack of built-in weapons, why didn't he just pick up a gun? His old weapons, aside from his transmetal tail that he rarely used, weren't built-in, so it's not like things have changed that much. They're on a deserted Cybertron and continuously tearing heavily armed war drones to scrap, so it can't possibly be that hard for him to scavenge either a working weapon or the parts to make one. He's shown to keep around a variety of tools and made those seed bombs as well, but a reliable energy weapon would be far more efficient than lobbing grenades one at a time. Was it just another example of the writers forgoing logic in the name of an overly simplistic theme?
    • Long story short? Writer on Board in the form of Bob Skir. In one of his old interviews, Skir admitted that he preferred that the heroes he writes for won't use guns. He wasn't exactly against firearms since he said that characters like The Punisher need to use guns as part of their character. However, he was of the belief that Maximal heroes like Optimus and Rattrap aren't absolutely required to have guns... which can make sense for a character like Optimus who has his strength and sword/mace-fighting skills to make up for not having firearms but absolutely no sense for Rattrap whose Establishing Character Moment for his entire Beast Wars/Transformers tenure was that of a gun aficionado and expert marksman.
    • Also, whatever happened to ROBO-NOOGIES!?!
  • At one point Nightscream makes a Tonka reference. I'm pretty sure he's never left Cybertron, much less ever been to Earth. Did Optimus Prime and the rest of the G1 Autobots really add this idiom to the culture upon returning?
    • Another episode has Nightscream and Silverbolt making a Monopoly reference. Same point.
      • Earth was very important to Cybertronian history. It's likely they've had a LOT of contact over the centuries, maybe even into their modern day, we just don't see it since Beast Wars largely took place in the past. It's not surprising Earth culture has seeped into Transformer consciousness.
      • Though some of Earth's culture may have been adopted into Cybertronian society, since much (if not all) records of the Great War (including mentions of Earth) was forgotten or, as shown in BW episode "Possession", suppressed to avoid another war.
  • In the episode where Rattrap plugged into Tankor, he was able to regain some of his memories, and see some of Rhinox's memories. That I can understand, but there's one flashback that doesn't make sense to me. When we see the flashback of Optimus and Cheetor get hit with the virus, we see it from the POV of a character, but who's POV are we seeing? If it were Rhinox, why wasn't he captured like in the later flashback with Silverbolt and Rattrap? The only other possibility is that Rattrap somehow is accessing a memory of Blackarachnia, and if that's the case, how is he seeing that from plugging into Tankor/Rhinox?
    • It's possible that it was still Rhinox's memory, but at the time the viral canisters released the virus to infect Cheetor and Optimus, Rhinox and whoever else was with him at that point was far enough away to not be hit by the viral gas.
  • Why is there Earth Based Organic Life on Cybertron? How the hell did it get there and get fossilized?
    • Because the writers were told to do so, and not worry about how it affects the continuity/lore of the rest of the franchise. But if you still need an in-universe answer, its possible that whoever established Cybertron (the Quintessons for the cartoon, Primus for the comic) used a planet that has/had organic life on it. I wouldn't put it past the squids to wipe out all indigenous life to build a factory over it, would you?
  • Why don't the Maximals ever consider trying to fish out the sparks of their deceased comrades from the beast wars to help them like Rhinox with Optimus Primal in Season 2 of Beast Wars? You would think that they could use all the help that they can get.
    • Rhinox specifically stated in "Coming of the Fuzors, Part 1" that he was attempting to use a window into transwarp space created by the explosion of the Vok planet-killer that was going to close soon, so there was literally no opportunity for them to retrieve anyone else from the Matrix.
      • Yes but still doesn't Optimus primal have access to the Matrix? so why didn't they try to find some kind of way to gain access to the sparks of their deceased friends from the beast wars like Dinobot and Tigatron and attempt to bring them back to life in order to help fight against Megatron? it could not hurt to try since they are at war against countless hordes of Vehicon drones and could use as much help as possible
  • Where did the Werewolf side of Noble/Savage come from? the Dragon side is obviously from Megatron's beast mode but how come he got a werewolf alternate form along with the red mutant dragon?
    • The only theory fans have come up with is Silverbolt. Somehow. Until the creators give a real answer we'll probably never know.


How well does it match the trope?

Example of:


Media sources: