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** The movie presents one for Madoka's role in the anime proper, courtesy of the flower field scene: [[spoiler: Did Madoka act out of duty and obligation rather than her own desire to help all of those fallen magical girls? Is Ultimate Madoka truly happy to be able to watch over everyone? Or did Homura's words to a Madoka who did not have the same memories and experiences about how she “went to a place far far away from everyone she knew and loved” create a misunderstanding that lead Homura to believe Madoka regretted her wish?]] ''VideoGame/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaMagiaRecord'' heavily suggests Madoka [[spoiler:was in fact unhappy and needs to give herself constant pep talks to keep herself together.]]

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** The movie presents one for Madoka's role in the anime proper, courtesy of the flower field scene: [[spoiler: Did Madoka act out of duty and obligation rather than her own desire to help all of those fallen magical girls? Is Ultimate Madoka truly happy to be able to watch over everyone? Or did Homura's words to a Madoka who did not have the same memories and experiences about how she “went to a place far far away from everyone she knew and loved” create a misunderstanding that lead Homura to believe Madoka regretted her wish?]] ''VideoGame/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaMagiaRecord'' ''VideoGame/MagiaRecordPuellaMagiMadokaMagicaSideStory'' heavily suggests Madoka [[spoiler:was in fact unhappy and needs to give herself constant pep talks to keep herself together.]]
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** The movie presents one for Madoka's role in the anime proper, courtesy of the flower field scene: [[spoiler: Did Madoka act out of duty and obligation rather than her own desire to help all of those fallen magical girls? Is Ultimate Madoka truly happy to be able to watch over everyone? Or did Homura's words to a Madoka who did not have the same memories and experiences about how she “went to a place far far away from everyone she knew and loved” create a misunderstanding that lead Homura to believe Madoka regretted her wish?]]

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** The movie presents one for Madoka's role in the anime proper, courtesy of the flower field scene: [[spoiler: Did Madoka act out of duty and obligation rather than her own desire to help all of those fallen magical girls? Is Ultimate Madoka truly happy to be able to watch over everyone? Or did Homura's words to a Madoka who did not have the same memories and experiences about how she “went to a place far far away from everyone she knew and loved” create a misunderstanding that lead Homura to believe Madoka regretted her wish?]]wish?]] ''VideoGame/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaMagiaRecord'' heavily suggests Madoka [[spoiler:was in fact unhappy and needs to give herself constant pep talks to keep herself together.]]
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** In August 2012, before the ''Beginnings'' and ''Eternal'' movies were released, there was a hoax where [[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Translated_Official_Documents/Confirmed_Fakes#Asumi_Jinna pictures of a fan-made magical girl were posted on the internet]]. These pictures falsely reported that the magical girl would be a new character appearing in the ''Madoka Magica'' movies. The hoax was so widespread that even Gen Urobuchi commented on it. Fast forward to September 2013 and the introduction of Nagisa Momoe. [[http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=38428217 A few fanartists]] [[http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=38276887 even drew Nagisa]] [[http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=38282665 meeting the fake character]]. The kicker? One way to pronounce the hoax magical girl's name is [[Creator/KanaAsumi Asumi Kana]], [[NamesTheSame Nagisa's voice actor]]. And while we're on the subject, [[spoiler:Nagisa is revealed to be Charlotte]], which means that [[spoiler:[[Manga/HidamariSketch Yuno]] [[ActorAllusion ate]] [[Creator/KaoriMizuhashi Miyako's]] [[RelationshipVoiceActor head.]]]]

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** In August 2012, before the ''Beginnings'' and ''Eternal'' movies were released, there was a hoax where [[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Translated_Official_Documents/Confirmed_Fakes#Asumi_Jinna pictures of a fan-made magical girl were posted on the internet]]. These pictures falsely reported that the magical girl would be a new character appearing in the ''Madoka Magica'' movies. The hoax was so widespread that even Gen Urobuchi commented on it. Fast forward to September 2013 and the introduction of Nagisa Momoe. [[http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=38428217 A few fanartists]] [[http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=38276887 even drew Nagisa]] [[http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=38282665 meeting the fake character]]. The kicker? One way to pronounce the hoax magical girl's name is [[Creator/KanaAsumi Asumi Kana]], [[NamesTheSame which just so happens to be the name of Nagisa's voice actor]].actor. And while we're on the subject, [[spoiler:Nagisa is revealed to be Charlotte]], which means that [[spoiler:[[Manga/HidamariSketch Yuno]] [[ActorAllusion ate]] [[Creator/KaoriMizuhashi Miyako's]] [[RelationshipVoiceActor head.]]]]
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr7pX5LBpyo "flame of despair"]], which plays [[spoiler:when Homura realizes she's the witch of the labyrinth]]. It's a haunting melody that really evokes the imagery of fire. And it contains two types of FridgeBrilliance in it! The first being [[spoiler:that Homura means 'flame']] and the other is that it's an arrangement of ''Symposium Magarum'', the theme played when fighting Oktavia von Seckendorff in the main series!
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* FanficFuel: [[spoiler:Akuma Homura's new world]] led to a lot of fics exploring the concept. In particular, the relationship between [[spoiler:Homura and Sayaka, who still has vague recollections of what she did, is often explored, wether they are deeply despise each other, relate to each other, or both]].
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* FoeYayShipping: [[spoiler:Homura and Sayaka rose in popularity as a ship after the ending of the movie, where Sayaka confronts Homura about her selfish actions and is the only one in Akuma Homura's new world that still remembers what Homura did and opposes her. Also a case of literal AngelDevilShipping, as Homura is the Devil and Sayaka is an angel]].
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* IdiotPlot: The plot comes about due to Homura telling Kyubey [[spoiler:about the old universe]] despite having more reason than anyone not to trust them, [[spoiler:Nagisa]] not explaining things when they had the chance, and Sayaka trying to explain in such a needlessly cryptic, roundabout manner that [[NiceJobBreakingItHero she loses Homura's trust]].

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* FanPreferredCouple: This movie brought us [[spoiler: Homucifer]] X Godoka, which is even shipped in official artwork, also bringing Kyoko and Sayaka's relationship to light even more, bringing even more fans to the ship.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Bebe/[[spoiler: Nagisa's]] obsession with cheese is funny and adorable. Not so much after reading her backstory in Magia Record where it's revealed that [[spoiler:she actually doesn't like cheese and her obsession with it is a representation of her seeking but never obtaining her mother's approval. Of course, Magia Record is non-canon to the main series: it remains to be seen whether Nagisa of the canon continuity is the same.]]


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** Bebe/[[spoiler: Nagisa's]] obsession with cheese is funny and adorable. Not so much after reading her backstory in Magia Record where it's revealed that [[spoiler:she actually doesn't like cheese and her obsession with it is a representation of her seeking but never obtaining her mother's approval. Of course, Magia Record is non-canon to the main series: it remains to be seen whether Nagisa of the canon continuity is the same.]]
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* SlidingScaleOfSocialSatisfaction: Categorized as "Revolution is the Key". An upgrade from the anime's "Knowledge is forbidden".

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* SlidingScaleOfSocialSatisfaction: Categorized as "Revolution is the Key". An upgrade from the anime's "Knowledge is forbidden". Thanks to Homura's shenanigans in the anime, Madoka gets powerful enough to become the Law of Cycles and rewrite the universe to save magical girls from their bleak fate. She rebels against the Incubators by making a wish that backfires on them. Then, in Rebellion, [[spoiler: Homura]] takes it to the next level, rewriting the universe again so the Incubators have to suffer the pain they've inflicted upon magical girls.



* SpecialEffectsFailure: At a couple of points in the movie, most noticeably [[spoiler:after Homulilly's witch barrier is destroyed, before Ultimate Madoka arrives to Homura]], Homura's soul gem appears to be blue-coloured, when it should be purple-coloured instead. [[EnhancedOnDvd Most of those instances were corrected for the home video release]], but some were still missed.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: At a couple of points in the movie, most noticeably [[spoiler:after Homulilly's witch barrier is destroyed, destroyed before Ultimate Madoka arrives to Homura]], Homura's soul gem appears to be blue-coloured, when it should be purple-coloured instead. [[EnhancedOnDvd Most of those instances were corrected for the home video release]], but some were still missed.
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* SlidingScaleOfSocialSatisfaction: Categorized as "Revolution is the Key". An upgrade from the anime's "Knowledge is forbidden".
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* TastesLikeDiabetes:
** Rife in the opening sequences. For one thing, the girls' soul gems are cleansed by ''[[EverythingsBetterWithSparkles sparkles]]''. Sparkles that are created after a nightmare is defeated in a non-violent manner. And then there's the whole of the Cake Song business.
** Bebe gets a ''ton'' of these, as one might expect from the team's cute little mascot. [[http://krimzonforce.deviantart.com/art/the-cutest-thing-you-will-ever-see-gif-420851336 This]] scene of her digging into a cheesecake is considered one of her more "d'awww"-inducing moments.
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* UncannyValley:
** If you look closely, all the non-named characters [[spoiler:in the witch barrier]] have dot eyes and burned faces. [[spoiler:Homura's familiars, who repopulate her new universe at the end of the movie,]] also have strange facial features that make them look ''very'' creepy compared to the other characters.
** With the release of the Blu-Ray was revealed a video of a first take of the final parts of the movie (from [[spoiler:Homulilly's]] defeat and onwards to the end), which were changed when the movie was released. While the changes are only to audio, said first take consists mostly of Homura speaking in a creepy, high-pitched tone and baby-talking to Kyubey, Sayaka and Madoka after [[spoiler:becoming Akuma Homura]], and some of her lines in this way come off even as slightly sexual, which makes it all the more creepier; especially since Homura usually talks in a stoic, flat and non-sexual voice prior. It also has Homura humming in the stinger instead of "not yet" playing, although some people don't see this one as creepy as other parts of the first take. In short, there is a ''good'' reason this first take was replaced for the final product. The first take can be viewed [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJMWu9QJwnU here]] in all its uncanny glory, along with a side-by-side comparision to the final product.
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** The flipside is also true since the loudest Homura haters insist that she is a horrifyingly cruel monster devoid of any humanity and refer to anyone who disagrees as "apologists". These Homura bashers eagerly brush aside how she was very lonely before meeting Madoka, then [[BrokenBird either broke herself or was broken beyond belief]] (and more often than not, '''both''') in all the [[spoiler:time loops]] and continuities, eventually [[DespairEventHorizon reached a total breaking point]], and ''then'' had [[spoiler:the above described LoveMakesYouEvil-fueled FaceHeelTurn.]] Even when the show beats the viewers upside the head with the idea that love ''cannot'' completely selfless unless in '''''extremely''''' special circumstances (like Madoka's), the fans still uphold the "love must be completely selfless and a person in love must not be allowed to wish for anything for him/herself" idea and then bash Homura for, alongside Sayaka, showing how unrealistic and harmful it is.

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** The flipside is also true since the loudest Homura haters insist that she is a horrifyingly cruel monster devoid of any humanity and refer to anyone who disagrees as "apologists". These Homura bashers eagerly brush aside how she was very lonely before meeting Madoka, then [[BrokenBird either broke herself or was broken beyond belief]] (and more often than not, '''both''') in all the [[spoiler:time loops]] and continuities, eventually [[DespairEventHorizon reached a total breaking point]], and ''then'' had [[spoiler:the above described LoveMakesYouEvil-fueled FaceHeelTurn.]] Even when the show beats the viewers upside the head with the idea that love ''cannot'' be completely selfless unless in '''''extremely''''' special circumstances (like Madoka's), the fans still uphold the "love must be completely selfless and a person in love must not be allowed to wish for anything for him/herself" idea and then bash Homura for, alongside Sayaka, showing how unrealistic and harmful it is.
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* FanNickname:
** "[[spoiler:Homucifer]]", for [[spoiler:Akuma Homura]].
** ''[[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion The End of Madoka Magica]]'' and ''[[Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion Madoka Magica: 3.0 You Can (Not) Rebel]]''.

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* AbandonShipping: About half of [[spoiler:Homura/Madoka]] fans have jumped ship, thanks to the ending of the movie. The other half isn't going down without a fight, though. [[FoeYay And might even feel vindicated]].

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* AbandonShipping: About half of [[spoiler:Homura/Madoka]] fans have jumped ship, thanks to the ending of the movie. The other half isn't going down without a fight, though. [[FoeYay And might even feel vindicated]].vindicated.



* AudienceAlienatingEnding: There’s a section of fans who refuse to watch the movie because of what they’ve heard about the ending.



* EndingAversion: There’s [[BrokenBase a section of fans]] who genuinely liked the movie but wish it ended differently, and another section of fans who refuse to watch the movie because of what they’ve heard about the ending.

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZahU3MsSzlQ&ab_channel=Arkie "absolute configuration"]], the epic, rocking, and even slightly oppressive track used in [[CoolVersusAwesome the gunfight between Homura and Mami]].

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZahU3MsSzlQ&ab_channel=Arkie com/watch?v=mBlj0IyB3pk "absolute configuration"]], the epic, rocking, and even slightly oppressive track used in [[CoolVersusAwesome the gunfight between Homura and Mami]].

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The link does NOT say what the text claims. It says Gen Urobochi had trouble deciding on an ending and Shinbo suggested this one but does not say that it was because they wanted to continue the series. Urobochi says it presented new options, but that was about how the ending to this movie plays out. So, bad link unsubstantiated claim.


*** There's also whether or not [[spoiler:Homura rejecting heaven and usurping Madoka]] was inconsistent with her anime character or out-of-character, or just a last-minute twist to add drama and pave the way for sequels. And then whether or not it was consistent with Homura's state of mind at the end of the anime -- had she accepted it and thus made the movie inconsistent, or had she simply rationalized it and so made the movie consistent? The fact that the director Akiyuki Shinbo wanted to go with [[spoiler:Homura betraying Madoka]] as the ending for the [[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Rebellion_Material_Book#Message_from_Gen_Urobuchi_.28Screenplay.29 stated purpose of keeping the franchise going]] has led many to believe that the ending was indeed a last minute twist, especially since years have gone by with more content for the franchise being produced ''except'' a sequel to ''Rebellion'' and Shinbo has stated that he feels the story is concluded.

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*** There's also whether or not [[spoiler:Homura rejecting heaven and usurping Madoka]] was inconsistent with her anime character or out-of-character, or just a last-minute twist to add drama and pave the way for sequels. And then whether or not it was consistent with Homura's state of mind at the end of the anime -- had she accepted it and thus made the movie inconsistent, or had she simply rationalized it and so made the movie consistent? The fact that the director Akiyuki Shinbo wanted to go with [[spoiler:Homura betraying Madoka]] as the ending for the [[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Rebellion_Material_Book#Message_from_Gen_Urobuchi_.28Screenplay.29 stated purpose of keeping the franchise going]] has led many to believe that the ending was indeed a last minute twist, especially since years have gone by with more content for the franchise being produced ''except'' a sequel to ''Rebellion'' and Shinbo has stated that he feels the story is concluded.
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* BetterThanCanon: There have been quite a few fanfics that followed Urobuchi's [[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Rebellion_Material_Book#Message_from_Gen_Urobuchi_.28Screenplay.29 originally planned ending of having Ultimate Madoka take Homura to Magical Girl Heaven with her]]. Needless to say, they're far more popular than the movie's canon ending.
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"Not So Different" became "Mirror Character".


** [[spoiler:There's also the theory that Homura ''wasn't'' freed from her Witch state at the end of ''Rebellion'' which contributed to, or was the ''cause'' of, her degrading sanity which led to her later actions. The fact that she cracked her Soul Gem in her mouth like a nutcracker (her witch form, Homulily, is the Nutcracker Witch), her witch familiars are present in her new universe, she trapped people in what she believes to her ideal world like what she did as a witch (and what Madoka's witch Kriemhild Gretchen wanted to do), and danced under a (literal) half moon in a field of flowers, something that is associated with witches. This all lead to the belief that Homura is a Witch/Goddess hybrid due to stealing Ultimate Madoka's powers and that her new world isn’t a newly-created universe like Madoka’s, but rather Homulilly’s barrier being extended to cover the universe. Supporting this theory is the fact that the BigBad of ''Manga/PuellaMagiTartMagica'', Queen Isabeau, was a Witch/Incubator hybrid and Tart became an irregular being, a girl whose Soul Gem had fully corrupted, but was in between being a Magical Girl and a Witch.]]

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** [[spoiler:There's also the theory that Homura ''wasn't'' freed from her Witch state at the end of ''Rebellion'' which contributed to, or was the ''cause'' of, her degrading sanity which led to her later actions. The fact that she cracked her Soul Gem in her mouth like a nutcracker (her witch form, Homulily, is the Nutcracker Witch), her witch familiars are present in her new universe, she trapped people in what she believes to her ideal world like what she did as a witch (and ([[MirrorCharacter and what Madoka's witch Kriemhild Gretchen wanted to do), do]]), and danced under a (literal) half moon in a field of flowers, something that is associated with witches. This all lead to the belief that Homura is a Witch/Goddess hybrid due to stealing Ultimate Madoka's powers and that her new world isn’t a newly-created universe like Madoka’s, but rather Homulilly’s barrier being extended to cover the universe. Supporting this theory is the fact that the BigBad of ''Manga/PuellaMagiTartMagica'', Queen Isabeau, was a Witch/Incubator hybrid and Tart became an irregular being, a girl whose Soul Gem had fully corrupted, but was in between being a Magical Girl and a Witch.]]
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** [[spoiler:There's also the theory that Homura ''wasn't'' freed from her Witch state at the end of ''Rebellion'' which contributed to, or was the ''cause'' of, her degrading sanity which led to her later actions. The fact that she cracked her Soul Gem in her mouth like a nutcracker (her witch form, Homulily, is the Nutcracker Witch), her witch familiars are present in her new universe, she trapped people in what she believes to her ideal world like what she did as a witch [[NotSoDifferent (and what Madoka's witch Kriemhild Gretchen wanted to do)]], and danced under a (literal) half moon in a field of flowers, something that is associated with witches. This all lead to the belief that Homura is a Witch/Goddess hybrid due to stealing Ultimate Madoka's powers and that her new world isn’t a newly-created universe like Madoka’s, but rather Homulilly’s barrier being extended to cover the universe. Supporting this theory is the fact that the BigBad of ''Manga/PuellaMagiTartMagica'', Queen Isabeau, was a Witch/Incubator hybrid and Tart became an irregular being, a girl whose Soul Gem had fully corrupted, but was in between being a Magical Girl and a Witch.]]

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** [[spoiler:There's also the theory that Homura ''wasn't'' freed from her Witch state at the end of ''Rebellion'' which contributed to, or was the ''cause'' of, her degrading sanity which led to her later actions. The fact that she cracked her Soul Gem in her mouth like a nutcracker (her witch form, Homulily, is the Nutcracker Witch), her witch familiars are present in her new universe, she trapped people in what she believes to her ideal world like what she did as a witch [[NotSoDifferent (and what Madoka's witch Kriemhild Gretchen wanted to do)]], do), and danced under a (literal) half moon in a field of flowers, something that is associated with witches. This all lead to the belief that Homura is a Witch/Goddess hybrid due to stealing Ultimate Madoka's powers and that her new world isn’t a newly-created universe like Madoka’s, but rather Homulilly’s barrier being extended to cover the universe. Supporting this theory is the fact that the BigBad of ''Manga/PuellaMagiTartMagica'', Queen Isabeau, was a Witch/Incubator hybrid and Tart became an irregular being, a girl whose Soul Gem had fully corrupted, but was in between being a Magical Girl and a Witch.]]
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** Some fans accuse the ending as a blatant SequelHook and are angry that they didn't get more closure, afraid that ''Madoka Magica'' will be turned into a CashCowFranchise. Others are perfectly fine with it, as they see it as a possibility to see more new content (though this opinion has gotten '''VERY''' sour after so many years and no sequel on the horizon). [[TakeAThirdOption Others still]] believe that the movie was indeed made to continue the series as a CashCowFranchise, but that the creators did the best they could with that requirement. Then there's those who argue that it ''isn't'' meant to be a SequelHook at all, but just a morally ambiguous ending the viewer is meant to draw their own conclusion for. Not helping at all is how the ''[[FlipFlopOfGod creators themselves]]'' have given conflicting statements on the matter (Urobuchi saying that there will be more, Shinbo repeatedly claiming that he considers the story concluded). However, the latter interpretation was eventually sunk when a sequel was announced in 2021, confirming that the ending of the film was indeed a SequelHook.

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** Some fans accuse the ending as a blatant SequelHook and are angry that they didn't get more closure, afraid that ''Madoka Magica'' will be turned into a CashCowFranchise. Others are perfectly fine with it, as they see it as a possibility to see more new content (though this (this opinion has gotten '''VERY''' sour soured a bit after so many years and with no sequel on the horizon).horizon, though ultimately their hopes were vindicated as stated below). [[TakeAThirdOption Others still]] believe that the movie was indeed made to continue the series as a CashCowFranchise, but that the creators did the best they could with that requirement. Then there's those who argue that it ''isn't'' meant to be a SequelHook at all, but just a morally ambiguous ending the viewer is meant to draw their own conclusion for. Not helping at all is how the ''[[FlipFlopOfGod creators themselves]]'' have given conflicting statements on the matter (Urobuchi saying that there will be more, Shinbo repeatedly claiming that he considers the story concluded). However, the latter interpretation was eventually sunk when a sequel was announced in 2021, confirming that the ending of the film was indeed a SequelHook.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Bebe/[[spoiler: Nagisa's]] obsession with cheese is funny and adorable. Not so much after reading her backstory in Magia Record where it's revealed that [[spoiler:she actually doesn't like cheese and her obsession with it is a representation of her seeking but never obtaining her mother's approval.]]

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Bebe/[[spoiler: Nagisa's]] obsession with cheese is funny and adorable. Not so much after reading her backstory in Magia Record where it's revealed that [[spoiler:she actually doesn't like cheese and her obsession with it is a representation of her seeking but never obtaining her mother's approval. Of course, Magia Record is non-canon to the main series: it remains to be seen whether Nagisa of the canon continuity is the same.]]
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** Some fans accuse the ending as a blatant SequelHook and are angry that they didn't get more closure, afraid that ''Madoka Magica'' will be turned into a CashCowFranchise. Others are perfectly fine with it, as they see it as a possibility to see more new content (though this opinion has gotten '''VERY''' sour after so many years and no sequel on the horizon). [[TakeAThirdOption Others still]] believe that the movie was indeed made to continue the series as a CashCowFranchise, but that the creators did the best they could with that requirement. Then there's those who argue that it ''isn't'' meant to be a SequelHook at all, but just a morally ambiguous ending the viewer is meant to draw their own conclusion for. Not helping at all is how the ''[[FlipFlopOfGod creators themselves]]'' have given conflicting statements on the matter (Urobuchi saying that there will be more, Shinbo repeatedly claiming that he considers the story concluded).

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** Some fans accuse the ending as a blatant SequelHook and are angry that they didn't get more closure, afraid that ''Madoka Magica'' will be turned into a CashCowFranchise. Others are perfectly fine with it, as they see it as a possibility to see more new content (though this opinion has gotten '''VERY''' sour after so many years and no sequel on the horizon). [[TakeAThirdOption Others still]] believe that the movie was indeed made to continue the series as a CashCowFranchise, but that the creators did the best they could with that requirement. Then there's those who argue that it ''isn't'' meant to be a SequelHook at all, but just a morally ambiguous ending the viewer is meant to draw their own conclusion for. Not helping at all is how the ''[[FlipFlopOfGod creators themselves]]'' have given conflicting statements on the matter (Urobuchi saying that there will be more, Shinbo repeatedly claiming that he considers the story concluded). However, the latter interpretation was eventually sunk when a sequel was announced in 2021, confirming that the ending of the film was indeed a SequelHook.
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* AbandonShipping: About half of [[spoiler:Homura/Madoka]] fans have jumped ship, thanks to the ending of the movie. The other half isn't going down without a fight, though.

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* AbandonShipping: About half of [[spoiler:Homura/Madoka]] fans have jumped ship, thanks to the ending of the movie. The other half isn't going down without a fight, though. [[FoeYay And might even feel vindicated]].

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* AccidentalAesop:
** Don't fix things that aren't broken, [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor especially if you're not prepared for the consequences]]. [[spoiler:Kyubey tries to repeal the Law of Cycles and reinstate the witch system which no one but the Incubators want. He fails and gets stuck with the [[TooGoodToBeTrue Homura system]] that no one, [[SelfInflictedHell not even Homura herself, truly enjoys]].]]
** Doing a good thing for a bad reason ''is still a bad thing''. [[spoiler:Homura made it so technically all the magical girls would get their happy ending, but it's ''implied'' she's doing it to keep Madoka from escaping her disguised cage of a "perfect world". Not to mention that, she knows that eventually she and Madoka will have to fight over it and nothing she can do will ultimately stop Madoka from regaining her powers.]]



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped:
** Don't fix things that aren't broken, [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor especially if you're not prepared for the consequences]]. [[spoiler:Kyubey tries to repeal the Law of Cycles and reinstate the witch system which no one but the Incubators want. He fails and gets stuck with the [[TooGoodToBeTrue Homura system]] that no one, [[SelfInflictedHell not even Homura herself, truly enjoys]].]]
** Doing a good thing for a bad reason ''is still a bad thing''. [[spoiler:Homura made it so technically all the magical girls would get their happy ending, but it's ''implied'' she's doing it to keep Madoka from escaping her disguised cage of a "perfect world". Not to mention that, she knows that eventually she and Madoka will have to fight over it and nothing she can do will ultimately stop Madoka from regaining her powers.]]
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*** There's also whether or not [[spoiler:Homura rejecting heaven and possessing Madoka]] was inconsistent with her anime character or out-of-character, or just a last-minute twist to add drama and pave the way for sequels. And then whether or not it was consistent with Homura's state of mind at the end of the anime -- had she accepted it and thus made the movie inconsistent, or had she simply rationalized it and so made the movie consistent?

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*** There's also whether or not [[spoiler:Homura rejecting heaven and possessing usurping Madoka]] was inconsistent with her anime character or out-of-character, or just a last-minute twist to add drama and pave the way for sequels. And then whether or not it was consistent with Homura's state of mind at the end of the anime -- had she accepted it and thus made the movie inconsistent, or had she simply rationalized it and so made the movie consistent?consistent? The fact that the director Akiyuki Shinbo wanted to go with [[spoiler:Homura betraying Madoka]] as the ending for the [[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Rebellion_Material_Book#Message_from_Gen_Urobuchi_.28Screenplay.29 stated purpose of keeping the franchise going]] has led many to believe that the ending was indeed a last minute twist, especially since years have gone by with more content for the franchise being produced ''except'' a sequel to ''Rebellion'' and Shinbo has stated that he feels the story is concluded.
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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: To say Shaft had a budget for this film is underselling it. In terms of visuals, it rivals ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' in terms of technical and artistic prowess.

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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: To say Shaft had a budget for this film is underselling it. In terms of visuals, it rivals ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' in terms of technical and artistic prowess.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Some fans feel this way about the film, unhappy with the way it undoes the anime's perfectly good ending and its story's lack of closure. The fact that the original ending was Ultimate Madoka taking Homura into the Law of Cycles before Urobuchi became unsure of it and it was the director Akiyuki Shinbo who said to go with [[spoiler:Homura betraying Madoka]] as the ending for the [[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Rebellion_Material_Book#Message_from_Gen_Urobuchi_.28Screenplay.29 stated purpose of keeping the franchise going]] has only intensified this feeling.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Some A lot of fans feel this way about the film, unhappy with the way it undoes the anime's perfectly good ending and its story's lack of closure. The fact that the original ending was Ultimate Madoka taking Homura into the Law of Cycles before Urobuchi became unsure of it and it was the director Akiyuki Shinbo who said to go with [[spoiler:Homura betraying Madoka]] as the ending for the [[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Rebellion_Material_Book#Message_from_Gen_Urobuchi_.28Screenplay.29 stated purpose of keeping the franchise going]] has only intensified this feeling.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Some fans feel this way about the film, unhappy with the way it undoes the anime's perfectly good ending and its story's lack of closure. The fact that the original ending was Ultimate Madoka taking Homura into the Law of Cycles before Urobuchi became unsure of it and it was the director Akiyuki Shinbo who said to go with [[spoiler:Homura betraying Madoka]] as the ending for the [[[[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Rebellion_Material_Book#Message_from_Gen_Urobuchi_.28Screenplay.29 stated purpose of keeping the franchise going]] has made intensified this feeling.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Some fans feel this way about the film, unhappy with the way it undoes the anime's perfectly good ending and its story's lack of closure. The fact that the original ending was Ultimate Madoka taking Homura into the Law of Cycles before Urobuchi became unsure of it and it was the director Akiyuki Shinbo who said to go with [[spoiler:Homura betraying Madoka]] as the ending for the [[[[http://wiki.[[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Rebellion_Material_Book#Message_from_Gen_Urobuchi_.28Screenplay.29 stated purpose of keeping the franchise going]] has made only intensified this feeling.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Some fans feel this way about the film, unhappy with the way it undoes the anime's perfectly good ending and its story's lack of closure.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Some fans feel this way about the film, unhappy with the way it undoes the anime's perfectly good ending and its story's lack of closure. The fact that the original ending was Ultimate Madoka taking Homura into the Law of Cycles before Urobuchi became unsure of it and it was the director Akiyuki Shinbo who said to go with [[spoiler:Homura betraying Madoka]] as the ending for the [[[[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Rebellion_Material_Book#Message_from_Gen_Urobuchi_.28Screenplay.29 stated purpose of keeping the franchise going]] has made intensified this feeling.

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