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It's a very popular fan-theory, given [[spoiler: that massive facial scar and an explicitly clouded-over eye]] while he was talking to Thorin. Lee Pace also plays him as blind, so this is [[WordOfSaintPaul confirmed by the actor's choices, if not a statement by Jackson himself]]. Fans have also noticed he has a very wide-eyed, unfocused expression and never really makes eye-contact with anyone. It also {{RetCon}}s Legolas' tendency to [[CaptainObvious state the obvious]] about his surroundings--of course he'd talk about things that people can already see if [[TheCaretaker he needed to do it for his vision-impaired father.]] ([[FanFicFuel Fan-art/fic abounds]] with blind-Thranduil and Legolas.)

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It's a very popular fan-theory, given [[spoiler: that massive facial scar and an explicitly clouded-over eye]] while he was talking to Thorin. Lee Pace also plays him as blind, so this is [[WordOfSaintPaul confirmed by the actor's choices, if not a statement by Jackson himself]]. Fans have also noticed he has a very wide-eyed, unfocused expression and never really makes eye-contact with anyone. It also {{RetCon}}s Legolas' tendency to [[CaptainObvious state the obvious]] obvious about his surroundings--of course he'd talk about things that people can already see if [[TheCaretaker he needed to do it for his vision-impaired father.]] ([[FanFicFuel Fan-art/fic abounds]] with blind-Thranduil and Legolas.)


Peter Jackson wanted her to appear in [[TheLordOfTheRings The Lord of the Rings]] so this is his last chance to cast her in Middle-Earth while also adding more recognizable female characters. She could play Dís, mother of Fíli and Kíli, sister of Thorin [[spoiler: and appear at the end for their funerals in Erebor]]. Or she'll play some random Elf.

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Peter Jackson wanted her to appear in [[TheLordOfTheRings The Lord of the Rings]] Film/TheLordOfTheRings so this is his last chance to cast her in Middle-Earth while also adding more recognizable female characters. She could play Dís, mother of Fíli and Kíli, sister of Thorin [[spoiler: and appear at the end for their funerals in Erebor]]. Or she'll play some random Elf.


Like {{Franchise/StarWars}} before it, TheLordOfTheRings will be updated to match some of ''The Hobbit'' or to include information that is relevant to ''The Hobbit'' (or not relevant) but was left out of the original films for the sake of time or the understanding of the viewer. This may or may not be hated by the fans of movies because it may or may not be more faithful to the books. Submit guesses of future changes here:

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Like {{Franchise/StarWars}} Franchise/StarWars before it, TheLordOfTheRings Film/TheLordOfTheRings will be updated to match some of ''The Hobbit'' or to include information that is relevant to ''The Hobbit'' (or not relevant) but was left out of the original films for the sake of time or the understanding of the viewer. This may or may not be hated by the fans of movies because it may or may not be more faithful to the books. Submit guesses of future changes here:



** [[WordOfGod Tolkien himself discussed the issue]] in the foreword to the LordOfTheRings books: what if another Maia (for him it was Saruman) either got the One Ring or somehow managed to build himself a Great Ring to confront Sauron. His given answer was this would ignite a great war, between two major powers ruling over hosts of Men, Orcs and other creatures, which would destroy Middle-Earth from end to end, and the first race to go would be the Hobbits --''"both sides would have hated and despised the Hobbits, so they were not going to survive even as slaves"''. He was never going to write anything on this line, as the Hobbits were central to the plot, meaning to show how lesser beings not skilled in magic or combat may defeat a great power.

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** [[WordOfGod Tolkien himself discussed the issue]] in the foreword to the LordOfTheRings Literature/TheLordOfTheRings books: what if another Maia (for him it was Saruman) either got the One Ring or somehow managed to build himself a Great Ring to confront Sauron. His given answer was this would ignite a great war, between two major powers ruling over hosts of Men, Orcs and other creatures, which would destroy Middle-Earth from end to end, and the first race to go would be the Hobbits --''"both sides would have hated and despised the Hobbits, so they were not going to survive even as slaves"''. He was never going to write anything on this line, as the Hobbits were central to the plot, meaning to show how lesser beings not skilled in magic or combat may defeat a great power.



[[WMG: '''The Hobbit: There And Back Again''' will end very similar to [[Literature/TheHobbit the original book]] and ''[[LordOfTheRings Fellowship Of The Ring]]'']]

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[[WMG: '''The Hobbit: There And Back Again''' will end very similar to [[Literature/TheHobbit the original book]] and ''[[LordOfTheRings ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings Fellowship Of The Ring]]'']]

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[[WMG: How Glamdring (Gandalf's sword) comes to be in the troll's lair.]]
Glamdring 'Foe-Hammer' was the sword that the king of Gondolin (Turgon) wore. After the Fall of Gondolin, the sword was taken by Idril or Tuor and taken to the mouths of Sirion. Tuor and Idril left it behind when they went sailing, as did Earendil, their son. After the sons of Feanor destroyed the haven at the mouths of Sirion, it was stolen by them, but later it was given to Elros, son of Earendil, first King of Numenor, because of the [[OddFriendship friendship]] between Maglor and the sons of Earendil. The sword became an heirloom of his house, but after Tar-Elendil's nephew(Valandil) became Lord of Andunie, it became an heirloom for them. At the downfall of Numenor, Elendil took it with him to Middle-Earth, but left it with Elrond in Imladris. Soon after, Glamdring is given to Isildur's descendants who give from father to son until it finally reaches Arador, Aragorn's grandfather, who was killed and eaten by trolls, the same trolls who attack the dwarves.


* At the very least, Howard Shore should do a musical suite for the Silm. I'd ''love'' to hear the [[AwesomeMusic leitmotifs he'd come up with]] for Valinor, Doriath, Beren and Lúthien, Melkor[=/=]Morgoth, etc.

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* At the very least, Howard Shore should do a musical suite for the Silm. I'd ''love'' to hear the [[AwesomeMusic [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic leitmotifs he'd come up with]] for Valinor, Doriath, Beren and Lúthien, Melkor[=/=]Morgoth, etc.


It is said that Morgoth raised the Misty Mountains to hinder Orome's passage east and corrupt the elves. It is likely that he left some sentries there to stop a titanic horseman. Now, the giants look more like automatons than sentient beings, which corresponds well with the way the dwarves looked when Aule created them before Eru granted them life.

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It is said that Morgoth raised the Misty Mountains to hinder Orome's passage east and corrupt the elves. It is likely that he left some sentries there to stop a titanic horseman. Now, the giants look more like automatons than sentient beings, which corresponds well with the way the dwarves looked when Aule created them before Eru granted them life.life.

[[WMG: Azog is a [[http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Boldog boldog]].]]
Per some of Tolkien's notes in ''Morgoth's Ring'', "boldog" was a term (or title) for minor evil Maiar inhabiting the bodies of orc-chieftains. Azog being such a creature would explain why he (and his son) are so much more powerful than regular orcs, his willingness to backtalk Sauron and put his own agenda above Sauron's will (being a boldog wouldn't make him Sauron's equal, but would make him a lot closer to that than any ordinary orc could dream of being) and possibly even his unusual appearance.


It would be a good way to tie the second movie to the first without losing any momentum while still maintaining the spirit of the first. For bonus points, [[FunnyMoments one of the hobbit children will ask]] [[FridgeLogic why they didn't just fly the eagles all the way to the Lonely Mountain]].

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It would be a good way to tie the second movie to the first without losing any momentum while still maintaining the spirit of the first. For bonus points, [[FunnyMoments [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments one of the hobbit children will ask]] [[FridgeLogic why they didn't just fly the eagles all the way to the Lonely Mountain]].



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** Literally, the Elvish "riel" means "circlet" or "garland," but it has been used poetically to describe a woman's hair (hence, "Galadriel" or "Radiant Garland"), so either interpretation is valid.



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* Alternately, Erebor's dwarves invented heat-proof metal, and that's what the wheelbarrow was made of. Which, ironically, probably made it more valuable than the molten gold it displaced in that scene.



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* Well, any of them except Thorin, Kili and Fili, that is. Thorin does go by the title "son of Thrain", after all, and his nephews are specifically identified as such.

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[[WMG: It wasn't just Smaug's own greed that cursed the treasure of Erebor with gold-lust.]]
The seven rings that originally afflicted dwarfkind with insane levels of desire for gold were melted down by dragonfire, but the dragons that did so didn't let the molten gold go to waste. They scooped up the residue and added it to their hoards, which eventually made their way into Smaug's clutches as he bested lesser dragons in combat or laid claim to the wealth of powerful ones whose hoards were too well-hidden for their slayers to find. After he claimed Erebor for himself, Smaug retrieved all the wealth he'd previously collected and added it to his new hoard, including the long-pulverized gold dust of what had once been the Seven For The Dwarf Lords.


Somewhat of a justification of the ConvectionSchmonvection seen in ''The Desolation of Smaug'': instead of melting at 1064.18 °C, the gold seen in the movie melts only a bit above 100 °C, not much hotter than boiling water. Therefore, when the characters interact with it (e.g. Thorin riding the wheelbarrow), it doesn't burn them immediately unless they directly touch it.

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Somewhat of a justification of the ConvectionSchmonvection seen in ''The Desolation of Smaug'': instead of melting at 1064.18 °C, the gold seen in the movie melts only a bit above 100 °C, not much hotter than boiling water. Therefore, when the characters interact with it (e.g. Thorin riding the wheelbarrow), it doesn't burn them immediately unless they directly touch it.it.

[[WMG: The stone giants in the Misty Mountains are creations of Morgoth from before the Elves awakened.]]
It is said that Morgoth raised the Misty Mountains to hinder Orome's passage east and corrupt the elves. It is likely that he left some sentries there to stop a titanic horseman. Now, the giants look more like automatons than sentient beings, which corresponds well with the way the dwarves looked when Aule created them before Eru granted them life.


We never see their father, nor do we have evidence Thorin or the others did. While Thorin is already tall for a Dwarf, Fíli and Kíli are especially so, and Kíli in particular is very slender for one. They also use unusual weapons for Dwarves—particularly Kíli, but [[DualWield dual wielding]] full-blown swords doesn't appear to be Dwarven standard either.

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We never see their father, nor do we have evidence Thorin or the others did. While Thorin is already tall for a Dwarf, Fíli and Kíli are especially so, and Kíli in particular is very slender for one. They also use unusual weapons for Dwarves—particularly Kíli, but [[DualWield dual wielding]] full-blown swords doesn't appear to be Dwarven standard either.either.

[[WMG: Dwarven gold has a lower melting point than regular gold.]]
Somewhat of a justification of the ConvectionSchmonvection seen in ''The Desolation of Smaug'': instead of melting at 1064.18 °C, the gold seen in the movie melts only a bit above 100 °C, not much hotter than boiling water. Therefore, when the characters interact with it (e.g. Thorin riding the wheelbarrow), it doesn't burn them immediately unless they directly touch it.



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** [[http://cdn.halcyonrealms.com/blogpics/hobbit208.jpg Much of the concept art]] for Tauriel shows her clad in black, a color basically unheard-of for Silvan elves...but a favorite of the Fëanorians.


[[Main/BrianBlessed BRIAN BLESSED]] as Beorn.

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[[Main/BrianBlessed BRIAN BLESSED]] Creator/BrianBlessed as Beorn.



[[Main/BrianBlessed BRIAN BLESSED]] as Dáin II Ironfoot.

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[[Main/BrianBlessed BRIAN BLESSED]] [[WMG: Creator/BrianBlessed as Dáin II Ironfoot.]]

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