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*** "Pretty sure" doesn't hold a candle to scientific evidence. While there ''are'' some theories which say that sociopathy could be developed from growing up in an environment that doesn't establish a sense of right and wrong for the child to follow, Henry doesn't seem overtly spoiled and I think it's obvious to anyone watching the film that he doesn't live in a ghetto. The only logical conclusion is that he was born with an inability to feel empathy. The whole "he lost the ability to care about human suffering because a death traumatized him" thing is...[[UpToEleven actually a lot stupider than the movie]]. Not every crazy killer needs a FreudianExcuse. Some kids are just born bad.

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*** "Pretty sure" doesn't hold a candle to scientific evidence. While there ''are'' some theories which say that sociopathy could be developed from growing up in an environment that doesn't establish a sense of right and wrong for the child to follow, Henry doesn't seem overtly spoiled and I think it's obvious to anyone watching the film that he doesn't live in a ghetto. The only logical conclusion is that he was born with an inability to feel empathy. The whole "he lost the ability to care about human suffering because a death traumatized him" thing is...[[UpToEleven actually a lot stupider than the movie]].movie. Not every crazy killer needs a FreudianExcuse. Some kids are just born bad.
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Both Henry and Mark have been affected by death, though in different ways. He felt that everyone who experienced death would be capable of doing what Henry does and assumed that Mark and him would be fast friends. Hell before he decided to turn the family against Mark he made a very depraved NotSoDifferent speech.

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Both Henry and Mark have been affected by death, though in different ways. He felt that everyone who experienced death would be capable of doing what Henry does and assumed that Mark and him would be fast friends. Hell before he decided to turn the family against Mark he made a very depraved NotSoDifferent NotSoDifferentRemark speech.
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Both do have a sociopathic potential, only Henry has fully realized his for evil, and Kevin hones his for good (which, come to think of it, probably wouldn't him make a true sociopath).
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*** There's no scientific evidence there people are ''born'' without the ability to feel empathy. That suggestion makes no sense when compared to the any srudies on the subject. Prople being "born evil" is just something we see on TV.

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[[WMG: Henry is a sexual sadist.

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[[WMG: Henry is a sexual sadist.]]
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Henry was the child that Amy was pregnant with at the end of the story. I'm not quite sure how Susan comes into play, but this could be very possible.

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Henry was the child that Amy was pregnant with at the end of the story. I'm not quite sure how Susan comes into play, but this could be very possible.possible.

[[WMG: Henry is a sexual sadist.
He looked very exited when he caused the massive highway incident.
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[[WMG: Henry is some kind of reincarnation of [[GameOfThrones Gregor Clegane]].]]

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[[WMG: Henry is some kind of reincarnation of [[GameOfThrones [[Series/GameOfThrones Gregor Clegane]].]]
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Blonde, smooth talking evil genius...there is no way this is a coincidence. In this version, Johan and Anna/Nina were separated and sent to live with different families. Johan's reign of terror was cut short here by Susan [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic finally stopping that dosage of stupid pills]] and he died, while Anna/Nina and Tenma went on to live happy, successful lives in Germany afterward, with the former blissfully unaware of the existence of her evil brother.

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Blonde, smooth talking evil genius...there is no way this is a coincidence. In this version, Johan and Anna/Nina were separated and sent to live with different families. Johan's reign of terror was cut short here by Susan [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic finally stopping that dosage of stupid pills]] and he died, while Anna/Nina and Tenma went on to live happy, successful lives in Germany afterward, with the former blissfully unaware of the existence of her evil brother.brother.

[[WMG: Henry's real mother is [[Literature/GoneGirl Amy Elioitt Dunne]].]]
Henry was the child that Amy was pregnant with at the end of the story. I'm not quite sure how Susan comes into play, but this could be very possible.

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[[WMG: Henry is TheStepfather .]]

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[[WMG: Henry is TheStepfather .Film/TheStepfather .]]


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* Or he could very well be [[HenryPortraitOfASerialKiller Henry Lee Lucas.]] [[spoiler:That movie showed him murdering an entire family.]]

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* Or he could very well be [[HenryPortraitOfASerialKiller [[Film/HenryPortraitOfASerialKiller Henry Lee Lucas.]] [[spoiler:That movie showed him murdering an entire family.]]
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* They're both complete monster psychopaths who have no qualms with killing, or attempting to kill, their own family, and Henry and Gregor both tried to kill their younger brother for playing with one of their toys.

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* They're both complete monster psychopaths who have no qualms with killing, or attempting to kill, their own family, and Henry and Gregor both tried to kill their younger brother for playing with one of their toys.toys.
[[WMG: Henry is an alternate universe version of [[Manga/{{Monster}} Johan Liebert]].]]
Blonde, smooth talking evil genius...there is no way this is a coincidence. In this version, Johan and Anna/Nina were separated and sent to live with different families. Johan's reign of terror was cut short here by Susan [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic finally stopping that dosage of stupid pills]] and he died, while Anna/Nina and Tenma went on to live happy, successful lives in Germany afterward, with the former blissfully unaware of the existence of her evil brother.
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[[WMG: Henry is [[Film/HomeAlone Kevin McCallister's]] EvilTwin, separated at birth]]

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[[WMG: Henry is [[Film/HomeAlone Kevin McCallister's]] EvilTwin, separated at birth]]birth]]
[[WMG: Henry is some kind of reincarnation of [[GameOfThrones Gregor Clegane]].]]
* They're both complete monster psychopaths who have no qualms with killing, or attempting to kill, their own family, and Henry and Gregor both tried to kill their younger brother for playing with one of their toys.
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Both Henry and Mark have been affected by death, though in different ways. He felt that everyone who experienced death would be capable of doing what Henry does and assumed that Mark and him would be fast friends. Hell before he decided to turn the family against Mark he made a very depraved NotSoDifferent speech.

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Both Henry and Mark have been affected by death, though in different ways. He felt that everyone who experienced death would be capable of doing what Henry does and assumed that Mark and him would be fast friends. Hell before he decided to turn the family against Mark he made a very depraved NotSoDifferent speech.speech.
[[WMG: Henry is [[Film/HomeAlone Kevin McCallister's]] EvilTwin, separated at birth]]
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* I dunno, that rock looked pretty fucking red to me.

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* I dunno, that rock looked pretty fucking red to me.
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Both Henry and Mark have been affected by death, though in different ways. He felt that everyone who experienced death would be capable of doing what Henry does and assumed that Mark and him would be fast friends. Hell before he decided to turn the family against Mark he made a very depraved NotSoDiffernt speech.

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Both Henry and Mark have been affected by death, though in different ways. He felt that everyone who experienced death would be capable of doing what Henry does and assumed that Mark and him would be fast friends. Hell before he decided to turn the family against Mark he made a very depraved NotSoDiffernt NotSoDifferent speech.
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[[WMG: Deep down inside, Susan suspected that Henry was responsible for his brother's death]] The reason she reacted so strongly to Mark's accusation, in addition to accusing Mark of lying, is because she was in denial. No mother wants to assume the worst about her child.

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[[WMG: Deep down inside, Susan suspected that Henry was responsible for his brother's death]] The reason she reacted so strongly to Mark's accusation, in addition to accusing Mark of lying, is because she was in denial. No mother wants to assume the worst about her child.child.
[[WMG: Henry really wanted Mark to be his friend.]]
Both Henry and Mark have been affected by death, though in different ways. He felt that everyone who experienced death would be capable of doing what Henry does and assumed that Mark and him would be fast friends. Hell before he decided to turn the family against Mark he made a very depraved NotSoDiffernt speech.
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** Another hint that was overlooked, Both movies have the same director.
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*The fall was long enough there was no fucking way a 5 foot 10 year would have survived.
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* Or he could very well be [[HenryPortraitOfASerialKiller Henry Lee Lucas.]] [[spoiler:That movie showed him murdering an entire family.]]

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* Or he could very well be [[HenryPortraitOfASerialKiller Henry Lee Lucas.]] [[spoiler:That movie showed him murdering an entire family.]]]]
[[WMG: Deep down inside, Susan suspected that Henry was responsible for his brother's death]] The reason she reacted so strongly to Mark's accusation, in addition to accusing Mark of lying, is because she was in denial. No mother wants to assume the worst about her child.
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**** "Pretty sure" doesn't hold a candle to scientific evidence. While there ''are'' some theories which say that sociopathy could be developed from growing up in an environment that doesn't establish a sense of right and wrong for the child to follow, Henry doesn't seem overtly spoiled and I think it's obvious to anyone watching the film that he doesn't live in a ghetto. The only logical conclusion is that he was born with an inability to feel empathy. The whole "he lost the ability to care about human suffering because a death traumatized him" thing is...[[BeyondTheImpossible actually a lot stupider than the movie]]. Not every crazy killer needs a FreudianExcuse. Some kids are just born bad.

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**** "Pretty sure" doesn't hold a candle to scientific evidence. While there ''are'' some theories which say that sociopathy could be developed from growing up in an environment that doesn't establish a sense of right and wrong for the child to follow, Henry doesn't seem overtly spoiled and I think it's obvious to anyone watching the film that he doesn't live in a ghetto. The only logical conclusion is that he was born with an inability to feel empathy. The whole "he lost the ability to care about human suffering because a death traumatized him" thing is...[[BeyondTheImpossible [[UpToEleven actually a lot stupider than the movie]]. Not every crazy killer needs a FreudianExcuse. Some kids are just born bad.
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***** Except sociopath =/= evil serial killer type in every instance, or even a lot of the time. Most sociopaths never do anything more sinister than be insensitive and carry out mean actions when not afraid of reprisal. I'd modify this theory by saying Henry was always a sociopath, but the little brother's death gave him a fascination with death, which is actually pretty normal for a kid whose lost a family member, but since he already had no empathy it made his sociopathy take on a much more dangerous form, so that if the baby hadn't died the movie would be about Mark, a kid in mourning who had the misfortune of having to spend his mourning period with his jerk of a cousin who wouldn't quit making insensitive comments about his dead mother and picking on his younger family members. It's still a longshot but somewhat better than assuming this is just TheThemeparkVersion of sociopathy.

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***** Except sociopath =/= evil serial killer type in every instance, or even a lot of the time. Most sociopaths never do anything more sinister than be insensitive and carry out [[PokeThePoodle mean actions actions]] when not afraid of reprisal.reprisal, and even a lot of the ones who are considerably worse aren't exactly killing multiple people at ten years of age - at that age even most future serial killers are still torturing animals. I'd modify this theory by saying Henry was always a sociopath, but the little brother's death gave him a fascination with death, which is actually pretty normal for a kid whose lost a family member, but since he already had no empathy it made his sociopathy take on a much more dangerous form, so that if the baby hadn't died the movie would be about Mark, a kid in mourning who had the misfortune of having to spend his mourning period with his jerk of a cousin who wouldn't quit making insensitive comments about his dead mother and picking on his younger family members. It's still a longshot but somewhat better than assuming this is just TheThemeparkVersion of sociopathy.
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***** Except sociopath =/= evil serial killer type in every instance, or even a lot of the time. Most sociopaths never do anything more sinister than be insensitive and carry out mean actions when not afraid of reprisal. I'd modify this theory by saying Henry was always a sociopath, but the little brother's death gave him a fascination with death, which is actually pretty normal for a kid whose lost a family member, but since he already had no empathy it made his sociopathy take on a much more dangerous form, so that if the baby hadn't died the movie would be about Mark, a kid in mourning who had the misfortune of having to spend his mourning period with his jerk of a cousin who wouldn't quit making insensitive comments about his dead mother and picking on his younger family members. It's still a longshot but somewhat better than assuming this is just TheThemeparkVersion of sociopathy.
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**** "Pretty sure" doesn't hold a candle to scientific evidence. While there ''are'' some theories which say that sociopathy could be developed from growing up in an environment that doesn't establish a sense of right and wrong for the child to follow, Henry doesn't seem overtly spoiled and I think it's obvious to anyone watching the film that he doesn't live in a ghetto. The only logical conclusion is that he was born with an inability to feel empathy. The whole "he lost the ability to care about human suffering because a death traumatized him" thing is...[[BeyondTheImpossible actually a lot stupider than the movie]]. Not every crazy killer needs a FreudianExcuse. Some kids are just born bad.
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The fall didn't kill him but it gave him amnesia and a murderous urge when it came to family. Not to mention the first Identity of The Stepfather before he changed it was Henry.

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The fall didn't kill him but it gave him amnesia and a murderous urge when it came to family. Not to mention the first Identity of The Stepfather before he changed it was Henry.Henry.
* Or he could very well be [[HenryPortraitOfASerialKiller Henry Lee Lucas.]] [[spoiler:That movie showed him murdering an entire family.]]
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* It was red alright. There was some red in the water as well. So I think it's safe to assume the fall did kill him.

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* It was red alright. There was some red in the water as well. So I think it's safe to assume the fall did kill him.him.
* True but the red did look more like rust than blood.
[[WMG: Henry is TheStepfather .]]
The fall didn't kill him but it gave him amnesia and a murderous urge when it came to family. Not to mention the first Identity of The Stepfather before he changed it was Henry.
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* I dunno, that rock looked pretty fucking red to me.

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* I dunno, that rock looked pretty fucking red to me.me.
* It was red alright. There was some red in the water as well. So I think it's safe to assume the fall did kill him.
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The last shot of him after he fell, showed no sign of blood or any splatter when he hit the rock and the water simply swept him away.

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The last shot of him after he fell, showed no sign of blood or any splatter when he hit the rock and the water simply swept him away.away.
* I dunno, that rock looked pretty fucking red to me.
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*** Actually, I'm pretty sure mental illness is acquired just as much if not moreso than it is innate.
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** Sociopathy doesn't work that way. People don't turn into sociopaths, they just are born without a conscience.

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** Sociopathy doesn't work that way. People don't turn into sociopaths, they just are born without a conscience.conscience.
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The last shot of him after he fell, showed no sign of blood or any splatter when he hit the rock and the water simply swept him away.
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* Any WMG on Henry's motivations would be putting more thought into the subject than the filmmakers did.

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* Any WMG on Henry's motivations would be putting more thought into the subject than the filmmakers did.did.
**Sociopathy doesn't work that way. People don't turn into sociopaths, they just are born without a conscience.

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