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** There's quite a bit of animosity between fans of Sonic/Amy and Sonic/Sally, for obvious reasons; whereas Amy is generally a StalkerWithACrush towards Sonic with only a few moments of ShipTease between the two at best, Sally Acorn is a CanonForeigner who is ''unambiguously'' Sonic's love interest in her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM debut cartoon]] and [[Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics the comic continuation]], having shared the BigDamnKiss more than once. [[note]] Keep in mind that Sonic's modern characterization as a CelibateHero [[EarlyAdaptationWeirdness wasn't yet established]] when both adaptations were made.[[/note]] This is a somewhat odd instance of this, as the two characters only coexisted within the comics, where Amy first appeared as a 10 year-old girl whose age [[PrecociousCrush proved quite the hurdle in getting Sonic's attention]]. An awkward attempt at CanonWelding meant this continuity had her grow up into her modern teenage self through a PlotRelevantAgeUp (while still having the mind of a 10-year-old), a fact that later writers probably wished they could completely ignore. Fans did freely ignore this tidbit though, and continue to duke it out anyway.

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** There's quite a bit of animosity between fans of Sonic/Amy and Sonic/Sally, for obvious reasons; whereas Amy is generally a StalkerWithACrush towards Sonic with only a few moments of ShipTease between the two at best, Sally Acorn is a CanonForeigner who is ''unambiguously'' [[OfficialCouple Sonic's love interest interest]] in her [[WesternAnimation/SonicTheHedgehogSatAM debut cartoon]] and [[Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics the comic continuation]], having shared the BigDamnKiss more than once. [[note]] Keep in mind that Sonic's modern characterization as a CelibateHero [[EarlyAdaptationWeirdness wasn't yet established]] when both adaptations were made.[[/note]] This is a somewhat odd instance of this, as the two characters only coexisted within the comics, where Amy first appeared as a 10 year-old girl whose age [[PrecociousCrush proved quite the hurdle in getting Sonic's attention]]. An awkward attempt at CanonWelding meant this continuity had her grow up into her modern teenage self through a PlotRelevantAgeUp (while still having the mind of a 10-year-old), a fact that later writers probably wished they could completely ignore. Fans did freely ignore this tidbit though, and continue to duke it out anyway.
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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s "Love Triangle Debate" over whether Cloud loved Aerith or Tifa has an almost legendary status for this[[note]]To the point where entire forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included--The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII were at one point locked for 10 years due to rampant [[Administrivia/EditWar Edit wars]][[/note]]. Even almost ''two decades'' after the game's release, there are still corners of the internet where Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aerith shippers wage war with each other. Debates tend to rage around whether Aerith loved "the real Cloud" or the persona he had when he was amnesiac, whether Cloud and Tifa can considered a couple by the time of ''Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren'', which Gold Saucer date can be considered canon, whether or not the Highwind "sex" scene could be considered canon, and to what extent official materials and translations support either pairing.

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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s "Love Triangle Debate" over whether Cloud loved Aerith or Tifa has an almost legendary status for this[[note]]To the point where entire forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included--The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII were at one point locked for 10 years due to rampant [[Administrivia/EditWar Edit wars]][[/note]]. Even almost ''two decades'' after the game's release, there are still corners of the internet where Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aerith shippers wage war with each other. Debates tend to rage around whether Aerith loved "the real Cloud" or the persona he had when he was amnesiac, whether Cloud and Tifa can considered a couple by the time of ''Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren'', which Gold Saucer date can be considered canon, whether or not the Highwind "sex" scene could be considered canon, and to what extent official materials and translations support either pairing. The aftershocks of this shipping war has spread outside [=FFVII=], with shippers taking their arguements to other Final Fantasy games(specifically over if the couples in these games can be seen as a throwback to either Cloud/Aerith or Cloud/Tifa) and other Square Enix properties like Kingdom Hearts(which is itself covered below on this very page).
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* The ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' fandom is divided between people who ship either [[MagicContractRomance Shirou/Saber]], [[BelligerentSexualTension Shirou/Rin]], or [[SenpaiKohai Shirou/Sakura]]. When these factions meet, things can get nasty very quickly. Sakura gets flack for being, according to her naysayers, a [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass "girly thus weak"]] DamselInDistress who constantly whines about her predicament and is often portrayed in fanfiction as being EntitledToHaveYou towards Shirou and TheResenter towards Saber. People who have issues with Saber accuse her of being [[WolverinePublicity Type]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad Moon's]] [[CreatorsPet cash cow]] who ''also'' [[TheAtoner drowns]] [[HeroicSelfDeprecation in a puddle of her own angst]] (''especially'' in [[Literature/FateZero the prequel]]). And people who have issues with Rin believe she's a {{Jerkass}} {{Tsundere}} who wants nothing more than to [[DieForOurShip steal Sakura's man]].

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* The ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' fandom is divided between people who ship either [[MagicContractRomance Shirou/Saber]], [[BelligerentSexualTension Shirou/Rin]], or [[SenpaiKohai Shirou/Sakura]]. When these factions meet, things can get nasty very quickly. Sakura gets flack for being, according to her naysayers, a [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass [[NotBadassEnoughForFans "girly thus weak"]] DamselInDistress who constantly whines about her predicament and is often portrayed in fanfiction as being EntitledToHaveYou towards Shirou and TheResenter towards Saber. People who have issues with Saber accuse her of being [[WolverinePublicity Type]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad Moon's]] [[CreatorsPet cash cow]] who ''also'' [[TheAtoner drowns]] [[HeroicSelfDeprecation in a puddle of her own angst]] (''especially'' in [[Literature/FateZero the prequel]]). And people who have issues with Rin believe she's a {{Jerkass}} {{Tsundere}} who wants nothing more than to [[DieForOurShip steal Sakura's man]].



** It's not much better whenever [[IdolSinger Athena]] [[ActionFashionista Asamiya]], who's hinted to have a crush on Kyo in some continuities, is mentioned. Similarly to the above, Kyo/Athena fans will also engage in Yuki bashing, accusing her of being [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass weak and anti-feminist]] while defending Athena as more interesting, stronger, and prettier, and understanding Kyo better. Meanwhile Kyo/Yuki fans will either again deride it as non-canon and thus invalid or accuse Kyo/Athena shippers of treating her as a SatelliteLoveInterest. This will get more complicated if Athena's DoggedNiceGuy Kensou is brought up: some Kensou/Athena fans will support the idea of a possible "[[ShipMates double date]]" with Kyo/Yuki, while others will accuse Athena of being [[EntitledToHaveYou ungrateful]] for Kensou's affections or shallow for chasing after an already taken man while ignoring the feelings of the guy who loves her and said taken man's girlfriend. And that's not getting into the fact that as both a dedicated fighter and IdolSinger Athena is likely [[ContractualPurity not allowed to have a love life]] ''and'' she's shown [[MarriedToTheJob to take her career seriously]].

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** It's not much better whenever [[IdolSinger Athena]] [[ActionFashionista Asamiya]], who's hinted to have a crush on Kyo in some continuities, is mentioned. Similarly to the above, Kyo/Athena fans will also engage in Yuki bashing, accusing her of being [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass [[NotBadassEnoughForFans weak and anti-feminist]] while defending Athena as more interesting, stronger, and prettier, and understanding Kyo better. Meanwhile Kyo/Yuki fans will either again deride it as non-canon and thus invalid or accuse Kyo/Athena shippers of treating her as a SatelliteLoveInterest. This will get more complicated if Athena's DoggedNiceGuy Kensou is brought up: some Kensou/Athena fans will support the idea of a possible "[[ShipMates double date]]" with Kyo/Yuki, while others will accuse Athena of being [[EntitledToHaveYou ungrateful]] for Kensou's affections or shallow for chasing after an already taken man while ignoring the feelings of the guy who loves her and said taken man's girlfriend. And that's not getting into the fact that as both a dedicated fighter and IdolSinger Athena is likely [[ContractualPurity not allowed to have a love life]] ''and'' she's shown [[MarriedToTheJob to take her career seriously]].
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* The ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' fandom is divided between people who ship either [[MagicContractRomance Shirou/Saber]], [[BelligerentSexualTension Shirou/Rin]], or [[SenpaiKohai Shirou/Sakura]]. When these factions meet, things can get nasty very quickly. Sakura gets flack for being, according to her naysayers, a [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass "girly thus weak"]] DamselInDistress who constantly whines about her predicament and is often portrayed in fanfiction as being EntitledToHaveYou towards Shirou and TheResenter towards Saber. People who have issues with Saber accuse her of being [[WolverinePublicity Type]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad Moon's]] [[CreatorsPet cash cow]] who ''also'' [[TheAtoner drowns]] [[HeroicSelfDeprecation in a puddle of her own angst]] (''especially'' in [[LightNovel/FateZero the prequel]]). And people who have issues with Rin believe she's a {{Jerkass}} {{Tsundere}} who wants nothing more than to [[DieForOurShip steal Sakura's man]].

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* The ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' fandom is divided between people who ship either [[MagicContractRomance Shirou/Saber]], [[BelligerentSexualTension Shirou/Rin]], or [[SenpaiKohai Shirou/Sakura]]. When these factions meet, things can get nasty very quickly. Sakura gets flack for being, according to her naysayers, a [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass "girly thus weak"]] DamselInDistress who constantly whines about her predicament and is often portrayed in fanfiction as being EntitledToHaveYou towards Shirou and TheResenter towards Saber. People who have issues with Saber accuse her of being [[WolverinePublicity Type]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad Moon's]] [[CreatorsPet cash cow]] who ''also'' [[TheAtoner drowns]] [[HeroicSelfDeprecation in a puddle of her own angst]] (''especially'' in [[LightNovel/FateZero [[Literature/FateZero the prequel]]). And people who have issues with Rin believe she's a {{Jerkass}} {{Tsundere}} who wants nothing more than to [[DieForOurShip steal Sakura's man]].
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** Present, but relatively milder in the case of two naval battles: Siegfried/Sophitia vs. Siegfried/Hilde and Mitsurugi/Taki vs. Mitsurugi/Setsuka. [[FanPreferredCouple Each pairing is a fan-fave in its own right]], with the former entries being established for far longer (as Hilde and Setsuka made their respective debuts in ''SCIV'' and ''SCIII'', whereas the other four were main characters in ''Soul Edge'', the very first game of the series); the inter-pairing rivalries can go anywhere from civil to [[DieForOurShip nasty]]. This is discounting the fact that Sophitia is HappilyMarried in canon (to Rothion, [[TheScrappy but nobody seems to like him]], perhaps simply ''because'' he's Sophitia's husband, and it wasn't until he made an actual on-screen appearance in ''SCVI'' as a kind, supportive partner to Sophie that [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap the hate started to subside]]); Siegfried becomes a loner and decides that "no one would touch his heart" in ''IV'' due to his actions as [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Nightmare]]; Hilde has two children in ''[[VideoGame/SoulcaliburV SCV]]'' that are apparently ''[[ShipSinking not]]'' fathered by Siegfried in spite of them becoming friends and traveling together; [[WifeHusbandry Setsuka was in love with her late master and caretaker]] and hates Mitsurugi for killing him [[spoiler:until she gets over her grudge by defeating him in a duel between ''IV'' and ''V'', whereupon she relocates to Istanbul under a new name and trains orphans in the way of the sword]]; and Mitsurugi and Taki probably have no romantic designs whatsoever. (Taki and [[HeterosexualLifePartners her best friend]] Chie even become [[ParentalSubstitute maternal figures]] to her apprentice Natsu, one of the playable fighters in ''V'', suggesting a HasTwoMommies kind of dynamic.) Oh, and [[spoiler:both Sophitia and Rothion are dead by the time ''V'' rolls around]]. Some fans have come up with ways to reconcile all of this, such as portraying Sophitia and Siegfried as an item before Sophitia meets Rothion at the beginning of her ''Soulcalibur'' story (and before Siegfried becomes Nightmare) and then having Siegfried gravitate over to Hilde or creating a Taki/Mitsurugi/Setsuka [[OneTrueThreesome OT3]].

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** Present, but relatively milder in the case of two naval battles: Siegfried/Sophitia vs. Siegfried/Hilde and Mitsurugi/Taki vs. Mitsurugi/Setsuka. [[FanPreferredCouple Each pairing is a fan-fave in its own right]], with the former entries being established for far longer (as Hilde and Setsuka made their respective debuts in ''SCIV'' and ''SCIII'', whereas the other four were main characters in ''Soul Edge'', the very first game of the series); the inter-pairing rivalries can go anywhere from civil to [[DieForOurShip nasty]]. This is discounting the fact that Sophitia is HappilyMarried in canon (to Rothion, [[TheScrappy but nobody seems to like him]], perhaps simply ''because'' he's Sophitia's husband, and it wasn't until he made an actual on-screen appearance in ''SCVI'' as a kind, supportive partner to Sophie that [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap the hate started to subside]]); Siegfried becomes a loner and decides that "no one would touch his heart" in ''IV'' due to his actions as [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Nightmare]]; Hilde has two children in ''[[VideoGame/SoulcaliburV SCV]]'' that are apparently ''[[ShipSinking not]]'' fathered by Siegfried in spite of them becoming friends and traveling together; [[WifeHusbandry Setsuka was in love with her late master and caretaker]] and hates Mitsurugi for killing him [[spoiler:until she gets over her grudge by defeating him in a duel between ''IV'' and ''V'', whereupon she relocates to Istanbul under a new name and trains orphans in the way of the sword]]; and Mitsurugi and Taki probably have no romantic designs whatsoever. (Taki and [[HeterosexualLifePartners her best friend]] Chie even become [[ParentalSubstitute maternal figures]] to her apprentice Natsu, one of the playable fighters in ''V'', suggesting a HasTwoMommies kind of dynamic.''V''.) Oh, and [[spoiler:both Sophitia and Rothion are dead by the time ''V'' rolls around]]. Some fans have come up with ways to reconcile all of this, such as portraying Sophitia and Siegfried as an item before Sophitia meets Rothion at the beginning of her ''Soulcalibur'' story (and before Siegfried becomes Nightmare) and then having Siegfried gravitate over to Hilde or creating a Taki/Mitsurugi/Setsuka [[OneTrueThreesome OT3]].

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** Go to any forum about ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' and you'll find ample discussion about which woman ([[HoYay or man]]) Link should end up with. Given that Link has no real characterization but the player's, and there are multiple Link's, you have to wonder if shipping debates are more about which person [[PerverseSexualLust the player wants to end up with]].
** One game where it's particularly noticeable is ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'', with Link alternatively paired with the traditional (Princess Zelda), the newcomer (Midna), and the childhood friend (Ilia). Of course, some people just ignore all that and jump straight for [[HoYay Midna/Zelda]]... or TakeAThirdOption and ship [[OneTrueThreesome Midzelink]].
** Between Zelda, Malon, Saria, and Ruto, ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'' was an open invitation for Ship-To-Ship Combat. One of the weirdest ship to ship rivalries has to be between Link/Zelda fans and Link/Sheik fans. They're ''the same person''. Link/Sheik fans almost always ignore the fact that Sheik is a SweetPollyOliver and make her a male individual character from Zelda (or at minimum, a male alter ego that is dissociated from Zelda), which leads to a lot of combat between fans of essentially the same pairing.

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** Go to any forum about ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' and you'll find ample discussion about which woman ([[HoYay or man]]) Link should end up with. Given that Link has no real characterization but the player's, and there are multiple Link's, you have to wonder if shipping debates are more about which person [[PerverseSexualLust the player wants to end up with]].
** One game where it's particularly noticeable is ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'', with Link alternatively paired with the traditional (Princess Zelda), the newcomer (Midna), and the childhood friend (Ilia). Of course, some people just ignore all that and jump straight for [[HoYay Midna/Zelda]]... or TakeAThirdOption and ship [[OneTrueThreesome Midzelink]].
** Between Zelda, Malon, Saria, and Ruto, ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'' was an open invitation for Ship-To-Ship Combat. One of Special mention goes to the weirdest ship to ship rivalries has to be rivalry between Link/Zelda fans and Link/Sheik fans. They're ''the same person''. Link/Sheik fans almost always ignore the fact that fans... because Zelda and Sheik is a SweetPollyOliver and make her a male individual character from Zelda (or at minimum, a male alter ego that is dissociated from Zelda), which leads to a lot of combat between fans of essentially are [[SweetPollyOliver the same pairing.person]].
** ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'' has Link alternatively paired with Princess Zelda, [[LadyAndKnight his companion Midna]], and his childhood friend Ilia. Of course, some people just ignore all that and jump straight for [[HoYay Midna/Zelda]], or TakeAThirdOption and ship [[OneTrueThreesome Midzelink]]. Ilia, despite the game itself painting her as Link's love interest, is actually the least popular of these pairings and tends to get the DieForOurShip treatment.
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* The ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' fandom is divided between people who ship either [[MagicContractRomance Shirou/Saber]], [[BelligerentSexualTension Shirou/Rin]], or [[SenpaiKohai Shirou/Sakura]]. When these factions meet, things can get nasty very quickly. Sakura gets flack for being, according to her naysayers, a [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass "girly thus weak"]] DamselInDistress who constantly whines about her predicament and is often portrayed in fanfiction as being EntitledToHaveYou towards Shirou and TheResenter towards Saber. People who have issues with Saber accuse her of being [[WolverinePublicity Type]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad Moon's]] [[CreatorsPet cash cow]] who ''also'' [[TheAtoner drowns]] [[HeroicSelfDeprecation in a puddle of]] [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask her own angst]] (''especially'' in [[LightNovel/FateZero the prequel]]). And people who have issues with Rin believe she's a {{Jerkass}} {{Tsundere}} who wants nothing more than to [[DieForOurShip steal Sakura's man]].

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* The ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' fandom is divided between people who ship either [[MagicContractRomance Shirou/Saber]], [[BelligerentSexualTension Shirou/Rin]], or [[SenpaiKohai Shirou/Sakura]]. When these factions meet, things can get nasty very quickly. Sakura gets flack for being, according to her naysayers, a [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass "girly thus weak"]] DamselInDistress who constantly whines about her predicament and is often portrayed in fanfiction as being EntitledToHaveYou towards Shirou and TheResenter towards Saber. People who have issues with Saber accuse her of being [[WolverinePublicity Type]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad Moon's]] [[CreatorsPet cash cow]] who ''also'' [[TheAtoner drowns]] [[HeroicSelfDeprecation in a puddle of]] [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask of her own angst]] (''especially'' in [[LightNovel/FateZero the prequel]]). And people who have issues with Rin believe she's a {{Jerkass}} {{Tsundere}} who wants nothing more than to [[DieForOurShip steal Sakura's man]].
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*** This got even more violent when ''[[UpdatedRerelease Persona 4 Golden]]'' came around. [[ThirdOptionLoveInterest Marie is a new girl in the game]], gets a lot of plot focus and [[spoiler:gives the MC a LoveConfession on live TV in the epilogue if romanced]]. If that wasn't enough, [[Anime/Persona4GoldenTheAnimation the animated adaptation]] [[AscendedExtra makes Marie the centerpiece of the main plot]] and [[AdaptationExpansion gives her scenes with Yu that didn't happen in the game proper]], furthering her status as [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yu's apparent love interest]].

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*** This got even more violent when ''[[UpdatedRerelease Persona 4 Golden]]'' came around. [[ThirdOptionLoveInterest Marie is a new girl in the game]], gets a lot of plot focus and [[spoiler:gives the MC a LoveConfession on live TV in the epilogue if romanced]]. If that wasn't enough, [[Anime/Persona4GoldenTheAnimation [[Anime/Persona4TheGoldenAnimation the animated adaptation]] [[AscendedExtra makes Marie the centerpiece of the main plot]] and [[AdaptationExpansion gives her scenes with Yu that didn't happen in the game proper]], furthering her status as [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yu's apparent love interest]].
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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s "Love Triangle Debate" over whether Cloud loved Aerith or Tifa has an almost legendary status for this[[note]]To the point where entire forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included--The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII were at one point locked for 10 years due to rampant [[Administrivia/EditWar Edit wars]][[/note]]. Even almost ''two decades'' after the game's release, there are still corners of the internet where Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aerith shippers wage war with each other. Debates tend to rage around whether Aerith loved "the real Cloud" or the persona he had when he was amnesiac, whether Cloud and Tifa considered a couple by the time of ''Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren'', which Gold Saucer date can be considered canon, whether or not the Highwind "sex" scene could be considered canon, and to what extent official materials and translations support either pairing.

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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s "Love Triangle Debate" over whether Cloud loved Aerith or Tifa has an almost legendary status for this[[note]]To the point where entire forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included--The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII were at one point locked for 10 years due to rampant [[Administrivia/EditWar Edit wars]][[/note]]. Even almost ''two decades'' after the game's release, there are still corners of the internet where Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aerith shippers wage war with each other. Debates tend to rage around whether Aerith loved "the real Cloud" or the persona he had when he was amnesiac, whether Cloud and Tifa can considered a couple by the time of ''Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren'', which Gold Saucer date can be considered canon, whether or not the Highwind "sex" scene could be considered canon, and to what extent official materials and translations support either pairing.
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** Also, the "Korean ships," [[ArrangedMarriage Hwang/Mi-na]] and [[SexyMentor Yun-seong/Mi-na]]. Never mind that Mi-na [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt4UT19xkoc isn't even remotely interested in marrying Hwang,]] and she views Yun-seong as a ''[[AnnoyingYoungerSibling kid]]'' (the official relationship chart in ''IV'' plainly states her feelings for Yun-seong are platonic, seeing him more as [[CoolBigSis her surrogate younger brother]]) -- likewise, Yun-seong thinks of her as [[ChristmasCake an old lady]] who should butt out of his business. Both ships remain hugely popular and to this day exchange the occasional broadside even though they've both been [[ShipSinking officially sunk]].

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** Also, the "Korean ships," [[ArrangedMarriage Hwang/Mi-na]] and [[SexyMentor Yun-seong/Mi-na]]. Never mind that Mi-na [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt4UT19xkoc isn't even remotely interested in marrying Hwang,]] and she views Yun-seong as a ''[[AnnoyingYoungerSibling kid]]'' (the official relationship chart in ''IV'' plainly states her feelings for Yun-seong are platonic, seeing him more as [[CoolBigSis her surrogate younger brother]]) -- likewise, Yun-seong thinks of her as [[ChristmasCake an old lady]] lady who should butt out of his business. Both ships remain hugely popular and to this day exchange the occasional broadside even though they've both been [[ShipSinking officially sunk]].
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* In what is probably the most widespread example of this trope, the ''Franchise/{{Touhou|Project}}'' fanbase is, ostensibly, nothing but a GIGANTIC NAVAL WAR. Marisa Kirisame is probably the most disputed, having no less than four even divisions. Most fans often have preferred ships but realize that in the world of ''Touhou'', [[Literature/BraveNewWorld everyone belongs with everyone else]]. Fan works often portray in-character ship wars as comedy. (i.e. Alice vs. Patchouli for Marisa, Keine glaring at Mokou hanging out with Kaguya, and so on.) Oh, and the whole mess with Marisa is parodied [[http://safebooru.donmai.us/posts/320962 here.]]

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* In what is probably the most widespread example of this trope, the ''Franchise/{{Touhou|Project}}'' fanbase is, ostensibly, nothing but a GIGANTIC NAVAL WAR. Marisa Kirisame is probably the most disputed, having no less than four even divisions. Most fans often have preferred ships but realize that in the world of ''Touhou'', [[Literature/BraveNewWorld everyone belongs with everyone else]]. Fan works often portray in-character ship wars as comedy. (i.e. Alice vs. Patchouli for Marisa, Keine glaring at Mokou hanging out with Kaguya, and so on.) Oh, and the whole mess with Marisa is parodied [[http://safebooru.[[http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/320962 here.]]here]] (NSFW link due to ads).
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*** The prequel game ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' heats up the shipping war further by expanding on Zack and Aerith's relationship, with many of their interactions parelling Aerith's interactions with Cloud in the original game. Cloud and Tifa shippers have subsequently latched onto the Zack/Aerith ship. As a key arguement of Cloud/Aerith shippers is that Aerith did come to love the real Cloud before her death, Cloud/Tifa shippers have argued that Crisis Core and the parallelism between Aerith's interactions with both Zack and Cloud proves once and for all that Aerith was solely attracted to Cloud's Zack persona, and that it is no longer possible to argue that she was attracted to Cloud for any other reason. Cloud/Aerith shippers argue in turn that nothing Zack and Aerith does in''Crisis Core'' contradicts or sheds any new insight on her interactions with Cloud that can be interpreted as only falling for the Zack persona. Suffice to say, things are messy and the fact that the creators have kept this issue ambiguous to this day has not helped matters.

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*** The prequel game ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' heats up the shipping war further by expanding on Zack and Aerith's relationship, with many of their interactions parelling Aerith's interactions with Cloud in the original game. Cloud and Tifa shippers have subsequently latched onto the Zack/Aerith ship. As a key arguement of Cloud/Aerith shippers is that Aerith did come to love the real Cloud before her death, Cloud/Tifa shippers have argued that Crisis Core and the parallelism between Aerith's interactions with both Zack and Cloud proves once and for all that Aerith was solely attracted to Cloud's Zack persona, and that it is no longer possible to argue that she was attracted to Cloud for any other reason. Cloud/Aerith shippers argue in turn that nothing Zack and Aerith does in''Crisis in ''Crisis Core'' contradicts or sheds any new insight on her interactions with Cloud that can be interpreted as only falling for the Zack persona. Suffice to say, things are messy and the fact that the creators have kept this issue ambiguous to this day has not helped matters.
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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s "Love Triangle Debate" over whether Cloud loved Aerith or Tifa has an almost legendary status for this[[note]]To the point where entire forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included--The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII were at one point locked for 10 years due to rampant [[Administrivia/EditWar Edit wars]][[/note]]. Even almost ''two decades'' after the game's release, there are still corners of the internet where Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aerith shippers wage war with each other. Debates tend to rage around whether Aerith loved "the real Cloud" or the persona he had when he was amnesiac, whether Cloud and Tifa both had sex and could be considered a couple by the time of ''Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren'', which Gold Saucer date can be considered canon, and to what extent official materials and translations support either pairing.

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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s "Love Triangle Debate" over whether Cloud loved Aerith or Tifa has an almost legendary status for this[[note]]To the point where entire forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included--The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII were at one point locked for 10 years due to rampant [[Administrivia/EditWar Edit wars]][[/note]]. Even almost ''two decades'' after the game's release, there are still corners of the internet where Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aerith shippers wage war with each other. Debates tend to rage around whether Aerith loved "the real Cloud" or the persona he had when he was amnesiac, whether Cloud and Tifa both had sex and could be considered a couple by the time of ''Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren'', which Gold Saucer date can be considered canon, whether or not the Highwind "sex" scene could be considered canon, and to what extent official materials and translations support either pairing.

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Revising the FFVII shipping war section and removing some natter like the mention of Sefikura shippers. Regarding Crisis core, "Zeriths" are Clotis that have picked up that ship as a side ship to Cloti, there are Zerith-centric shippers but it's usually the Clotis that use Zerith's interactions in Crisis Core to argue their points or are excessively invested in the shipping war


** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s "Love Triangle Debate" has an almost legendary status for this[[note]]To the point where entire forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included--The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII were at one point locked for 10 years due to rampant [[Administrivia/EditWar Edit wars]][[/note]]. Even almost ''two decades'' after the game's release, [[TheRemnant there are still some small enclaves]] where Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aerith followers wage war with each other. And then there's the [[FoeYayShipping Cloud/Sephiroth]] shippers...
*** The prequel game ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' also added the Zack/Aerith shippers to clash with the Cloud/Aerith shippers... Suffice to say, things are messy and the fact that the creators have kept this issue ambiguous to this day has not helped matters.

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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s "Love Triangle Debate" over whether Cloud loved Aerith or Tifa has an almost legendary status for this[[note]]To the point where entire forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included--The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII were at one point locked for 10 years due to rampant [[Administrivia/EditWar Edit wars]][[/note]]. Even almost ''two decades'' after the game's release, [[TheRemnant there are still some small enclaves]] corners of the internet where Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aerith followers shippers wage war with each other. And then there's Debates tend to rage around whether Aerith loved "the real Cloud" or the [[FoeYayShipping Cloud/Sephiroth]] shippers...
persona he had when he was amnesiac, whether Cloud and Tifa both had sex and could be considered a couple by the time of ''Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren'', which Gold Saucer date can be considered canon, and to what extent official materials and translations support either pairing.
*** The prequel game ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' also added heats up the shipping war further by expanding on Zack and Aerith's relationship, with many of their interactions parelling Aerith's interactions with Cloud in the original game. Cloud and Tifa shippers have subsequently latched onto the Zack/Aerith shippers to clash with the ship. As a key arguement of Cloud/Aerith shippers...shippers is that Aerith did come to love the real Cloud before her death, Cloud/Tifa shippers have argued that Crisis Core and the parallelism between Aerith's interactions with both Zack and Cloud proves once and for all that Aerith was solely attracted to Cloud's Zack persona, and that it is no longer possible to argue that she was attracted to Cloud for any other reason. Cloud/Aerith shippers argue in turn that nothing Zack and Aerith does in''Crisis Core'' contradicts or sheds any new insight on her interactions with Cloud that can be interpreted as only falling for the Zack persona. Suffice to say, things are messy and the fact that the creators have kept this issue ambiguous to this day has not helped matters.
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Senpai Kohai is the name of the trope


** [[OfficialCouple Jin/Tsubaki]] fans often attack poor [[DieForOurShip Noel]], even though Jin/Noel was sunk in the port of ''[[VideoGame/BlazBlueCalamityTrigger Calamity Trigger]]''. [[MoralityPet Jin/Makoto]] had been gaining popularity as a pairing since ''[[VideoGame/BlazBlueContinuumShift Continuum Shift]]'', but conflicts between fans of the two pairings are rare. ''[[VideoGame/BlazBlueChronophantasma Chronophantasma]]'' may simply have ended up igniting a cold war, however. Oh, and there's a portion of the community who prefer to TakeAThirdOption and leave Jin as a CelibateHero, instead supporting [[MoralityPet Hakumen/Tsubaki]], causing more friction. Finally, we have fans of Jin and [[ShyBlueHairedGirl Mai Natsume]], the protagonist of ''[[Manga/BlazBlueRemixHeart BlazBlue: Remix Heart]]'': a likely reasoning behind this is similarities between them and [[VideoGame/GuiltyGear Ky/Dizzy]]. (Never mind that in the actual doujinshi, Mai, outside of getting a FirstKiss from [[AmbiguouslyBi Makoto]], has been {{Ship Tease}}d with three other characters [[note]]her roommate Cajun, fellow classmate (and relative of Kagura) Taro, and Mai's distant relative (who is unaware of the relationship at the moment)/other roommate/family assassin Shiori, with Taro currently the frontrunner[[/note]], none of whom are Jin. Or the fact that [[spoiler:Mai goes missing after graduation according to ''Chronophantasma'', though she does make appearances in ''[[UpdatedRerelease Extend]]'' as well as ''[[VideoGame/BlazBlueCentralFiction Central Fiction]]'']]. Even then, Jin/Mai is treated as a strictly platonic SempaiKohai relationship in-series.)

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** [[OfficialCouple Jin/Tsubaki]] fans often attack poor [[DieForOurShip Noel]], even though Jin/Noel was sunk in the port of ''[[VideoGame/BlazBlueCalamityTrigger Calamity Trigger]]''. [[MoralityPet Jin/Makoto]] had been gaining popularity as a pairing since ''[[VideoGame/BlazBlueContinuumShift Continuum Shift]]'', but conflicts between fans of the two pairings are rare. ''[[VideoGame/BlazBlueChronophantasma Chronophantasma]]'' may simply have ended up igniting a cold war, however. Oh, and there's a portion of the community who prefer to TakeAThirdOption and leave Jin as a CelibateHero, instead supporting [[MoralityPet Hakumen/Tsubaki]], causing more friction. Finally, we have fans of Jin and [[ShyBlueHairedGirl Mai Natsume]], the protagonist of ''[[Manga/BlazBlueRemixHeart BlazBlue: Remix Heart]]'': a likely reasoning behind this is similarities between them and [[VideoGame/GuiltyGear Ky/Dizzy]]. (Never mind that in the actual doujinshi, Mai, outside of getting a FirstKiss from [[AmbiguouslyBi Makoto]], has been {{Ship Tease}}d with three other characters [[note]]her roommate Cajun, fellow classmate (and relative of Kagura) Taro, and Mai's distant relative (who is unaware of the relationship at the moment)/other roommate/family assassin Shiori, with Taro currently the frontrunner[[/note]], none of whom are Jin. Or the fact that [[spoiler:Mai goes missing after graduation according to ''Chronophantasma'', though she does make appearances in ''[[UpdatedRerelease Extend]]'' as well as ''[[VideoGame/BlazBlueCentralFiction Central Fiction]]'']]. Even then, Jin/Mai is treated as a strictly platonic SempaiKohai SenpaiKohai relationship in-series.)



* The ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' fandom is divided between people who ship either [[MagicContractRomance Shirou/Saber]], [[BelligerentSexualTension Shirou/Rin]], or [[SempaiKohai Shirou/Sakura]]. When these factions meet, things can get nasty very quickly. Sakura gets flack for being, according to her naysayers, a [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass "girly thus weak"]] DamselInDistress who constantly whines about her predicament and is often portrayed in fanfiction as being EntitledToHaveYou towards Shirou and TheResenter towards Saber. People who have issues with Saber accuse her of being [[WolverinePublicity Type]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad Moon's]] [[CreatorsPet cash cow]] who ''also'' [[TheAtoner drowns]] [[HeroicSelfDeprecation in a puddle of]] [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask her own angst]] (''especially'' in [[LightNovel/FateZero the prequel]]). And people who have issues with Rin believe she's a {{Jerkass}} {{Tsundere}} who wants nothing more than to [[DieForOurShip steal Sakura's man]].

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* The ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' fandom is divided between people who ship either [[MagicContractRomance Shirou/Saber]], [[BelligerentSexualTension Shirou/Rin]], or [[SempaiKohai [[SenpaiKohai Shirou/Sakura]]. When these factions meet, things can get nasty very quickly. Sakura gets flack for being, according to her naysayers, a [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass "girly thus weak"]] DamselInDistress who constantly whines about her predicament and is often portrayed in fanfiction as being EntitledToHaveYou towards Shirou and TheResenter towards Saber. People who have issues with Saber accuse her of being [[WolverinePublicity Type]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad Moon's]] [[CreatorsPet cash cow]] who ''also'' [[TheAtoner drowns]] [[HeroicSelfDeprecation in a puddle of]] [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask her own angst]] (''especially'' in [[LightNovel/FateZero the prequel]]). And people who have issues with Rin believe she's a {{Jerkass}} {{Tsundere}} who wants nothing more than to [[DieForOurShip steal Sakura's man]].

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The creators are not split, but rather ambiguous on this topic as no one involved in FFVII has ever stated a preference for one ship or the other(and no, Nojima does NOT count as much as Cloti diehards want him to as he has written stuff for both Aerith and Tifa that could be read as shippy involving the love triangle)


** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' has an almost legendary status for this. Even almost ''two decades'' after the game's release, [[TheRemnant there are still some small enclaves]] where Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aerith followers wage war with each other. And then there's the [[FoeYayShipping Cloud/Sephiroth]] shippers...
*** The prequel game ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' also added the Zack/Aerith shippers to clash with the Cloud/Aerith shippers... Suffice to say, things are messy and the fact that the creators seem divided on the issue has not helped matters.
*** The ''FFVII'' shipping wars are so volatile that they've actually gotten several forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included! [[note]]The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII were at one point locked due to rampant [[Administrivia/EditWar Edit wars]]. This was the case for ''10 years'' because it was too risky to unlock them over the idea that it could flare up again immediately. By late 2022, it was finally decided that enough time had passed and that the fans have died down enough to unlock them.[[/note]]

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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s "Love Triangle Debate" has an almost legendary status for this.this[[note]]To the point where entire forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included--The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII were at one point locked for 10 years due to rampant [[Administrivia/EditWar Edit wars]][[/note]]. Even almost ''two decades'' after the game's release, [[TheRemnant there are still some small enclaves]] where Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aerith followers wage war with each other. And then there's the [[FoeYayShipping Cloud/Sephiroth]] shippers...
*** The prequel game ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' also added the Zack/Aerith shippers to clash with the Cloud/Aerith shippers... Suffice to say, things are messy and the fact that the creators seem divided on the have kept this issue ambiguous to this day has not helped matters.
*** The ''FFVII'' shipping wars are so volatile that they've actually gotten several forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included! [[note]]The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII were at one point locked due to rampant [[Administrivia/EditWar Edit wars]]. This was the case for ''10 years'' because it was too risky to unlock them over the idea that it could flare up again immediately. By late 2022, it was finally decided that enough time had passed and that the fans have died down enough to unlock them.[[/note]]
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Eh natter and entry is already bloated, while Hollow has been a major battleground in the discourse of the extreme shipper circles of FFVII , it's really an extension of their habit to fight over ambiguous text and lyrics


*** The release of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' further complicates things by not only reigniting the old Aerith/Tifa rivalry for Cloud (though not to the same intensity), but also giving both women more screentime together with [[HoYay homoerotic subtext between them]], and also both [[ThirdOptionLoveInterest throwing in a new challenger]] in [[AscendedExtra Jessie]] and implying that [[spoiler: the party's efforts caused a CosmicRetcon undoing Zack's death, with the still surviving Zack being revealed to be looking for Aerith in the post-credits scene of ''Intergrade'']]. The possibility of the [[spoiler: ending of ''Remake'' leading to the remake trilogy being a StealthSequel potentially [[ResetButton undoing the events]] of the original game]] has also been fought over by shippers, with diehard Cloud/Aerith shippers arguing that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' will confirm that the game is a StealthSequel and that Cloud will save Aerith lives this time around(with the song ''Hollow'' being interpreted as a vow by Cloud to save Aerith this time around)]] while diehard Cloud/Tifa shippers argue that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' will make it clear that the flow of the story and by extension Aerith's fate will be the same [[RedHerring regardless of what happens in ''Remake'']] or that Aerith will still die [[InSpiteOfANail no matter what]] if the story is indeed a StealthSequel of the original game(and predictably, they have a different interpretation of ''Hollow'' being about Cloud's grief in general over specifically about the loss of Aerith or about his supressed self)]].

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*** The release of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' further complicates things by not only reigniting the old Aerith/Tifa rivalry for Cloud (though not to the same intensity), but also giving both women more screentime together with [[HoYay homoerotic subtext between them]], and also both [[ThirdOptionLoveInterest throwing in a new challenger]] in [[AscendedExtra Jessie]] and implying that [[spoiler: the party's efforts caused a CosmicRetcon undoing Zack's death, with the still surviving Zack being revealed to be looking for Aerith in the post-credits scene of ''Intergrade'']]. The possibility of the [[spoiler: ending of ''Remake'' leading to implying that the remake trilogy being a StealthSequel potentially [[ResetButton [[OffTheRails undoing the events]] of the original game]] has also been fought over by shippers, with diehard Cloud/Aerith shippers arguing that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' will confirm that the game is a StealthSequel and that where Cloud will save Aerith lives this time around(with the song ''Hollow'' being interpreted as a vow by Cloud to save Aerith this time around)]] around]] while diehard Cloud/Tifa shippers argue that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' will make it clear that the flow of the story and by extension Aerith's fate will be the same [[RedHerring regardless of what happens in ''Remake'']] or that Aerith will still die [[InSpiteOfANail no matter what]] if the story is indeed a StealthSequel of the original game(and predictably, they have a different interpretation of ''Hollow'' being about Cloud's grief in general over specifically about the loss of Aerith or about his supressed self)]].game]].
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*** The release of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' further complicates things by not only reigniting the old Aerith/Tifa rivalry for Cloud (though not to the same intensity), but also giving both women more screentime together with [[HoYay homoerotic subtext between them]], and also both [[ThirdOptionLoveInterest throwing in a new challenger]] in [[AscendedExtra Jessie]] and implying that [[spoiler: the party's efforts caused a CosmicRetcon undoing Zack's death, with the still surviving Zack being revealed to be looking for Aerith in the post-credits scene of ''Intergrade'']]. The possibility of the [[spoiler: ending of ''Remake'' leading to the remake trilogy being a StealthSequel potentially [[ResetButton undoing the events]] of the original game]] has also been fought over by shippers, with diehard Cloud/Aerith shippers hoping that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' reveal that the game is a StealthSequel reset where Aerith lives this time around(with the song ''Hollow'' being interpreted as a vow by Cloud to save Aerith this time around)]] while diehard Cloud/Tifa shippers hope that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' will make it clear that the flow of the story and by extension Aerith's fate will be the same regardless of what happens in ''Remake'' or that Aerith will still die no matter what if the story is indeed a StealthSequel reset on the original game(and predictably, they have a different interpretation of ''Hollow'' being about Cloud's grief in general over specifically about Aerith or his true self)]].

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*** The release of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' further complicates things by not only reigniting the old Aerith/Tifa rivalry for Cloud (though not to the same intensity), but also giving both women more screentime together with [[HoYay homoerotic subtext between them]], and also both [[ThirdOptionLoveInterest throwing in a new challenger]] in [[AscendedExtra Jessie]] and implying that [[spoiler: the party's efforts caused a CosmicRetcon undoing Zack's death, with the still surviving Zack being revealed to be looking for Aerith in the post-credits scene of ''Intergrade'']]. The possibility of the [[spoiler: ending of ''Remake'' leading to the remake trilogy being a StealthSequel potentially [[ResetButton undoing the events]] of the original game]] has also been fought over by shippers, with diehard Cloud/Aerith shippers hoping arguing that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' reveal will confirm that the game is a StealthSequel reset where and that Cloud will save Aerith lives this time around(with the song ''Hollow'' being interpreted as a vow by Cloud to save Aerith this time around)]] while diehard Cloud/Tifa shippers hope argue that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' will make it clear that the flow of the story and by extension Aerith's fate will be the same [[RedHerring regardless of what happens in ''Remake'' ''Remake'']] or that Aerith will still die [[InSpiteOfANail no matter what what]] if the story is indeed a StealthSequel reset on of the original game(and predictably, they have a different interpretation of ''Hollow'' being about Cloud's grief in general over specifically about the loss of Aerith or about his true supressed self)]].
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Oh and, literally every arguement over this song is shipper related


*** The release of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' further complicates things by not only reigniting the old Aerith/Tifa rivalry for Cloud (though not to the same intensity), but also giving both women more screentime together with [[HoYay homoerotic subtext between them]], and also both [[ThirdOptionLoveInterest throwing in a new challenger]] in [[AscendedExtra Jessie]] and implying that [[spoiler: the party's efforts caused a CosmicRetcon undoing Zack's death, with the still surviving Zack being revealed to be looking for Aerith in the post-credits scene of ''Intergrade'']]. The possibility of the [[spoiler: ending of ''Remake'' leading to the remake trilogy being a StealthSequel potentially [[ResetButton undoing the events]] of the original game]] has also been fought over by shippers, with diehard Cloud/Aerith shippers hoping that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' reveal that the game is a StealthSequel reset where Aerith lives this time around]] while diehard Cloud/Tifa shippers hope that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' will make it clear that the flow of the story and by extension Aerith's fate will be the same regardless of what happens in ''Remake'' or that Aerith will still die no matter what if the story is indeed a StealthSequel reset on the original game]].

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*** The release of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' further complicates things by not only reigniting the old Aerith/Tifa rivalry for Cloud (though not to the same intensity), but also giving both women more screentime together with [[HoYay homoerotic subtext between them]], and also both [[ThirdOptionLoveInterest throwing in a new challenger]] in [[AscendedExtra Jessie]] and implying that [[spoiler: the party's efforts caused a CosmicRetcon undoing Zack's death, with the still surviving Zack being revealed to be looking for Aerith in the post-credits scene of ''Intergrade'']]. The possibility of the [[spoiler: ending of ''Remake'' leading to the remake trilogy being a StealthSequel potentially [[ResetButton undoing the events]] of the original game]] has also been fought over by shippers, with diehard Cloud/Aerith shippers hoping that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' reveal that the game is a StealthSequel reset where Aerith lives this time around]] around(with the song ''Hollow'' being interpreted as a vow by Cloud to save Aerith this time around)]] while diehard Cloud/Tifa shippers hope that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' will make it clear that the flow of the story and by extension Aerith's fate will be the same regardless of what happens in ''Remake'' or that Aerith will still die no matter what if the story is indeed a StealthSequel reset on the original game]]. game(and predictably, they have a different interpretation of ''Hollow'' being about Cloud's grief in general over specifically about Aerith or his true self)]].
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So I've been on the netherword of FFVII twitter fandom and this is pretty much the dividing sentiment on the diehard Clerith and Cloti accounts still at it after all these decades.


** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' further complicates things by not only reigniting the old Aerith/Tifa rivalry for Cloud (though not to the same intensity), but also giving both women more screentime together with [[HoYay homoerotic subtext between them]], and also [[ThirdOptionLoveInterest throwing in a new challenger]] in [[AscendedExtra Jessie]].

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** *** The release of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' further complicates things by not only reigniting the old Aerith/Tifa rivalry for Cloud (though not to the same intensity), but also giving both women more screentime together with [[HoYay homoerotic subtext between them]], and also both [[ThirdOptionLoveInterest throwing in a new challenger]] in [[AscendedExtra Jessie]].Jessie]] and implying that [[spoiler: the party's efforts caused a CosmicRetcon undoing Zack's death, with the still surviving Zack being revealed to be looking for Aerith in the post-credits scene of ''Intergrade'']]. The possibility of the [[spoiler: ending of ''Remake'' leading to the remake trilogy being a StealthSequel potentially [[ResetButton undoing the events]] of the original game]] has also been fought over by shippers, with diehard Cloud/Aerith shippers hoping that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' reveal that the game is a StealthSequel reset where Aerith lives this time around]] while diehard Cloud/Tifa shippers hope that [[spoiler: sequels to ''Remake'' will make it clear that the flow of the story and by extension Aerith's fate will be the same regardless of what happens in ''Remake'' or that Aerith will still die no matter what if the story is indeed a StealthSequel reset on the original game]].
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** In ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'', there is a three-way battle for who Rex should be with. There's the two forms of the Aegis (Pyra and Mythra) and Nia, a Gormotti that he meets early on in the game who has a LoveConfession for him at one point in the story [[spoiler:after helping her to be comfortable with the fact that she's a Flesh Eater]]. Hilariously, ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles3'' resolves this [[spoiler: by revealing Rex canonically ended up with [[MarryThemAll all three of them]]]].

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** In ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'', there is a three-way battle for who Rex should be with. There's the two forms of the Aegis (Pyra and Mythra) and Nia, a Gormotti that he meets early on in the game who has a LoveConfession for him at one point in the story [[spoiler:after helping her to be comfortable with the fact that she's a Flesh Eater]]. Hilariously, ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles3'' resolves this [[spoiler: by revealing Rex canonically ended up with [[MarryThemAll ''[[MarryThemAll all three of them]]]].them]]'']].
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** Carrying over from the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII source material]](see above), the Cloud/Aerith vs. Cloud/Tifa love triangle debate also rears its' head in the Kingdom Hearts fandom as well. Debates rage on regarding which girl is Cloud's light, whether Tifa in the Kingdom Hearts universe is a real person or the metaphysical manifestation of Cloud's inner goodness, and whether Nomura's statements about having Aerith appear in the Kingdom Hearts games is meant to shed any light about how the love triangle is meant to be perceived in the source material.

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** Carrying over from the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII source material]](see above), the Cloud/Aerith vs. Cloud/Tifa love triangle debate also rears its' ugly head in the Kingdom Hearts fandom as well. Debates rage on regarding which girl is Cloud's light, whether Tifa in the Kingdom Hearts universe is a real person or the metaphysical manifestation of Cloud's inner goodness, and whether Nomura's statements about having Aerith appear in the Kingdom Hearts games is meant to shed any light about how the love triangle is meant to be perceived in the source material.
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** Carrying over from the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII source material]](see above), the Cloud/Aerith vs. Cloud/Tifa love triangle debate also rears its' head in the Kingdom Hearts fandom as well. Debates rage on regarding which girl is Cloud's light, whether Tifa in the Kingdom Hearts universe is a real person or the metaphysical manifestation of Cloud's inner goodness, and whether Nomura's statements about having Aerith appear in the Kingdom Hearts games is meant to shed any light about the love triangle in the source material.

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** Carrying over from the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII source material]](see above), the Cloud/Aerith vs. Cloud/Tifa love triangle debate also rears its' head in the Kingdom Hearts fandom as well. Debates rage on regarding which girl is Cloud's light, whether Tifa in the Kingdom Hearts universe is a real person or the metaphysical manifestation of Cloud's inner goodness, and whether Nomura's statements about having Aerith appear in the Kingdom Hearts games is meant to shed any light about how the love triangle is meant to be perceived in the source material.
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** Carrying over from the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII source material]](see above), the Cloud/Aerith vs. Cloud/Tifa love triangle debate also rears its' head in the Kingdom Hearts fandom as well. Debates rage on regarding which girl is Cloud's light, whether Tifa in the Kingdom Hearts universe is a real person or the metaphysical manifestation of Cloud's inner goodness, and whether Nomura's statements about having Aerith appear in the Kingdom Hearts games is meant to shed any light about the love triangle in the source material.
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** In ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'', there is a three-way battle for who Rex should be with. There's the two forms of the Aegis (Pyra and Mythra) and Nia, a Gormotti that he meets early on in the game who has a LoveConfession for him at one point in the story [[spoiler:after helping her to be comfortable with the fact that she's a Flesh Eater]].

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** In ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'', there is a three-way battle for who Rex should be with. There's the two forms of the Aegis (Pyra and Mythra) and Nia, a Gormotti that he meets early on in the game who has a LoveConfession for him at one point in the story [[spoiler:after helping her to be comfortable with the fact that she's a Flesh Eater]]. Hilariously, ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles3'' resolves this [[spoiler: by revealing Rex canonically ended up with [[MarryThemAll all three of them]]]].
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** Since Blaze's introduction in ''VideoGame/{{Sonic Rush|Series}}'', as well as ''VideoGame/Sonic06'' changing her to being from the future, [[BattleCouple Sonic/Blaze]] fans and [[LikeBrotherAndSister Silver/Blaze]] fans often fight over who would make a better couple, often leading into arguments about the canonicity of the latter game due to [[StoryReset its ending]].

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** Since Blaze's introduction in ''VideoGame/{{Sonic Rush|Series}}'', as well as ''VideoGame/Sonic06'' ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' changing her to being from the future, [[BattleCouple Sonic/Blaze]] fans and [[LikeBrotherAndSister Silver/Blaze]] fans often fight over who would make a better couple, often leading into arguments about the canonicity of the latter game due to [[StoryReset its ending]].
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The Final Fantasy VII pages are no longer locked following consensus in this thread. Added more to provide history.


*** The ''FFVII'' shipping wars are so volatile that they've actually gotten several forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included! [[note]]The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII are locked due to rampant Administrivia/{{Edit War}}s.[[/note]]

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*** The ''FFVII'' shipping wars are so volatile that they've actually gotten several forums either locked or shut down, Website/TVTropes included! [[note]]The main work page, Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters, and YMMV.FinalFantasyVII are were at one point locked due to rampant Administrivia/{{Edit War}}s.[[Administrivia/EditWar Edit wars]]. This was the case for ''10 years'' because it was too risky to unlock them over the idea that it could flare up again immediately. By late 2022, it was finally decided that enough time had passed and that the fans have died down enough to unlock them.[[/note]]
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** Since Blaze's introduction in ''VideoGame/{{Sonic Rush|Series}}'', there are also [[BattleCouple Sonic/Blaze]] fans who will fight to the death to defend their pairing against Silver/Blaze.

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** Since Blaze's introduction in ''VideoGame/{{Sonic Rush|Series}}'', there are also as well as ''VideoGame/Sonic06'' changing her to being from the future, [[BattleCouple Sonic/Blaze]] fans who will and [[LikeBrotherAndSister Silver/Blaze]] fans often fight to over who would make a better couple, often leading into arguments about the death canonicity of the latter game due to defend their pairing against Silver/Blaze.[[StoryReset its ending]].
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Per TRS Horny Devils has been renamed. Moving tropes to either Succubi And Incubi or Hot As Hell depending on the context.


** To begin with, there's already a canonical division for the first three games in [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry3DantesAwakening Lady]], [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry1 Trish]], and [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry2 Lucia]] (in order of general popularity). Some people (and Dante himself in some adaptations) are [[{{Squick}} squicked out]] by the fact that Trish looks like Dante's mom, even if she does appear in the most supplementary material, so they go with Lady. Pairing Dante with Lucia is not as common due to ''Devil May Cry 2'' not being all that popular. However, a vocal minority points to the [[CargoShip Devil Arm Nevan]], [[HornyDevils a succubus]], [[TakeAThirdOption as a possible choice for Dante]]. Another vocal minority points to [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Dante's obvious Action Hero origins and that he HAS no canonical love interest]]. Then some {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s point out that [[{{Twincest}} Dante and Vergil together is hot times two]]. The only relationship which has remained untouched is [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry4 Kyrie/Nero]]...

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** To begin with, there's already a canonical division for the first three games in [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry3DantesAwakening Lady]], [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry1 Trish]], and [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry2 Lucia]] (in order of general popularity). Some people (and Dante himself in some adaptations) are [[{{Squick}} squicked out]] by the fact that Trish looks like Dante's mom, even if she does appear in the most supplementary material, so they go with Lady. Pairing Dante with Lucia is not as common due to ''Devil May Cry 2'' not being all that popular. However, a vocal minority points to the [[CargoShip Devil Arm Nevan]], [[HornyDevils a [[SuccubiAndIncubi succubus]], [[TakeAThirdOption as a possible choice for Dante]]. Another vocal minority points to [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Dante's obvious Action Hero origins and that he HAS no canonical love interest]]. Then some {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s point out that [[{{Twincest}} Dante and Vergil together is hot times two]]. The only relationship which has remained untouched is [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry4 Kyrie/Nero]]...
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Shes Got Legs is currently a disambiguation


* ''Franchise/StreetFighter'': Sakura's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABh7-96oHtM arcade ending]] in ''VideoGame/StreetFighterV'' sparked a minor one between Ryu/Sakura shippers and longtime fans who had [[OneTruePairing always shipped him with]] [[KickChick Chun]]-[[ShesGotLegs Li]]. Those who support Sakura use the fact that she told Ryu ''she wants to have his children'' as evidence of their being more likely to become canon. The Chun-Li camp feels the age gap between him and Sakura would make Ryu look like an {{Ephebophile}}, so they continue to ship him with Chun-Li instead, which is also fueled by the fact that she's hot and canonically still single.

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* ''Franchise/StreetFighter'': Sakura's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABh7-96oHtM arcade ending]] in ''VideoGame/StreetFighterV'' sparked a minor one between Ryu/Sakura shippers and longtime fans who had [[OneTruePairing always shipped him with]] [[KickChick Chun]]-[[ShesGotLegs Li]].Chun-Li]]. Those who support Sakura use the fact that she told Ryu ''she wants to have his children'' as evidence of their being more likely to become canon. The Chun-Li camp feels the age gap between him and Sakura would make Ryu look like an {{Ephebophile}}, so they continue to ship him with Chun-Li instead, which is also fueled by the fact that she's hot and canonically still single.

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