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->''"The problem with modern Franchise/{{Sonic|The Hedgehog}} stories is that the characters revolve around the story instead of the story revolving around the characters. There's this [[MisaimedFandom strange disconnect]] between [[MemeticPersonalityChange what people want Sonic to be]] and [[RoundedCharacter who Sonic actually is]]. And, look, fan interpretations are fine, we all like to see the characters we love in [[WhatIf different styles, and tackling different themes and ideas]]. The problem is this mindset is bleeding into official stories. Character personalities are being [[OutOfCharacterMoment ignored or altered]] to fit the stories and the themes within them, so you end up with characters who serve as [[AuthorFilibuster mouthpieces for the writers]] instead of standing on their own, and stories that feel more like fanfiction."''
-->-- [[https://youtu.be/6qUFvrbXTA4?feature=shared "Nobody Understands Sonic"]] by '''[[https://www.youtube.com/@PixelrushTheFunnyPixelMan Pixelrush]]'''
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->"''People get into all these debates of what's {{canon}} and what's not, and sometimes forget the special nature of telling a good story and creating great characters. Part of the fan debate in the past always used to be 'What's canon? What's not?' because there was Creator/{{George|Lucas}}, and we always knew George was the canon. I look at it very broadly, and I just say there's a love of'' Star Wars''. Because I knew George, I worked with him, and none of us are going to be him. But we love the Galaxy he created, and we're very much a product of it; growing up with it."''
-->--'''Dave Filoni''' on ''Franchise/StarWars''
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->"I've kind of become drunk on my own power, I'm not gonna lie, I'm kind of like, "I AM DREAMER." I keep having to remind myself I am not actually a superhero in real life."
-->-- '''Creator/NicoleMaines''' (on writing her version of the character from ''Series/Supergirl2015'')
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--> --'''Creator/AlanMoore'', ''Occupy Comics'' #3, "Buster Brown at the Barricades, parts 5 & 6"

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--> --'''Creator/AlanMoore'', --'''Creator/AlanMoore''', ''Occupy Comics'' #3, "Buster Brown at the Barricades, parts 5 & 6"

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->"I even wrote a script! Let's see, uh...[[Creator/AllisonPregler Lupa]] and 90's Kid start making out." Oh, wait, that's my fanfiction."

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->"You could say that any Franchise/{{Batman}} fan writing a Batman comic is writing fan fiction."

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->''[Comics writers and artists] took their concerns to the management and sensibly suggested that they form a union to represent them in legitimate, grown-up negotiations, at which point they were informed by management that they were fired, and that replacement writers would be found to fill the titles on which they were working. With characteristic canniness, the company recruited these replacements from the all-too-eager ranks of U.S. comic fandom, bringing in a generation of fan writers who were only too pleased to be working with the costumed heroes that they’d been fixated on since they were children, and apparently were not concerned that in accomplishing their adolescent dreams they’d helped to put the far superior talents who’d created the beloved emblems of their endlessly extended childhoods out of work. Nor, for the most part, were they likely to risk their nostalgic opportunity to rummage in 'the toy-box', as the major companies' repertoire of misappropriated super-characters is sometimes known by the enthusiastic fans-turned-pro who now account for a majority of the professionals employed within the industry, by raising any of the questions or complaints that led to the dismissal of their luckless predecessors. In this shift from working writers to promoted fans we can see the beginnings of a process whereby the creative duties on a title will most likely be assumed by someone who's a devoted admirer of some previous creator's run upon the book in question, and will fill his or her tenure on the title with fan-pleasing references rather than originating the fresh concepts that all comics need if they are to survive. As a result, with some few decades of fans referencing fans who in their turn were referencing fans, we have a program of inbreeding which almost surpasses that of European monarchy, assuring that the product will be subject to genetic weaknesses, will speed up the decline and ultimate extinction of whichever line it happens to be part of, and will be inordinately stupid.''
--> --'''Creator/AlanMoore'', ''Occupy Comics'' #3, "Buster Brown at the Barricades, parts 5 & 6"
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->''[-Hey guys, your friend Creator/StevenMoffat here. I’m pretty busy working on Sherlock now, but I thought I’d drop by Tumblr with a friendly warning.-]\\\
[-For God’s sake, don’t make Creator/PeterCapaldi mad. Don’t do it. Don’t you do it.-]\\\
[-He’s not like normal actors. He reads *everything*. Livejournal, Insanejournal, Dreamwidth… he’s everywhere. He wrote a 49-chapter fic about Donna Noble and a female Sixth Doctor in a lesbian relationship, for Christ’s sake, and it was *good*! If you anger him, he will come for you in the night!-]\\\
[-Always at night. Never during the day. We think [[WeakenedByTheLight this may be a weakness]], but it could just be his own sadistic choice.-]\\\
[-All he wants—all he’s ever wanted—was to be the Doctor. God help us. God help us all, the things he’s done. You think Creator/MattSmith wanted to leave? He woke up one morning and found that all the hair had been shaved from his head, with Peter Capaldi sitting at the foot of his bed, stroking it like a pet.-]\\\
[-I once asked Creator/ChristopherEccleston why he wouldn’t come back for the 50th Anniversary Special. He didn’t answer, only asked a question. “Is Peter Capaldi there?” I didn’t answer, but my silence told him everything. He’s still in America, playing the bad guy in sci-fi movies. He’s safe there. At least, I hope he is.-]\\\
[-You think Creator/JohnHurt was in [[{{Recap/DoctorWho50thASTheDayOfTheDoctor}} the Special]]? It was Capaldi. [[FaceStealer He was wearing John’s skin]]. I didn’t even know until it was time for his close-up. Then he… he took it off. I remember, he said “I am everything.” That close-up wasn’t for the cameras. It was how he looked at all of us… all those who doubted.-]''
-->-- '''[[http://fuckyeahmelancholy.tumblr.com/post/71320608841/kbox-in-the-box-valdorsaofgallifrey-tell-me Tumblr]]''' ultimatum

->''Given his criticisms as a young man, [[Creator/ChrisChibnall Chibnall’s]] choice to use so many elements of Pip and Jane’s [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS23E4TheUltimateFoe}} Trial of a Time Lord scripts]] almost feels like atonement. The Master, Gallifrey, the Matrix and a previously undiscovered incarnation of the Doctor. If he faces the same reaction from fans as he dished out in the 80s it might be what you call poetic justice.''
-->--'''[[https://docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-timeless-children-written-by-chris.html?m=1 Joe Ford]]''' on ''Doctor Who'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS38E10TheTimelessChildren}} "The Timeless Children"]]



->"Rene Echevarria, ditto. When he was in high school the man owned his own [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]] uniform. Hans Beimler was raised on TOS (in Spanish, the way God intended it to be heard). Frankly, since I’d only seen every episode five or six times growing up, I sometimes felt TOS deficient."
-->--'''Robert Hewitt-Wolfe'''
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->''"What's happening with video games is the same thing that happens with anything new and interesting. At the beginning, everybody wants to see what it is. They gather around and check it out. But gradually, people start to lose interest.''\\
''"The people who don't lose interest become more and more involved... And the medium starts to be influenced by only those people. It becomes something exclusive to the people who've stuck with it for a long time. And when the people who were interested in it at first look back at it, it's no longer the thing that interested them."''
-->-- '''Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto'''

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->That's what I always hate about revivals of really old franchises: the creators are always just a ''little'' bit too much in love with the subject matter. That's why everyone in the new ''Series/DoctorWho'' spends all their time alternating between sucking the Doctor's balls and asking for more.
-->-- ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'' on ''VideoGame/GhostbustersTheVideogame''






[-You think Creator/JohnHurt was in the Special? It was Capaldi. [[FaceStealer He was wearing John’s skin]]. I didn’t even know until it was time for his close-up. Then he… he took it off. I remember, he said “I am everything.” [[DeathGlare That close-up]] wasn’t for the cameras. It was how he looked at all of us… all those who doubted.-]''

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[-You think Creator/JohnHurt was in [[{{Recap/DoctorWho50thASTheDayOfTheDoctor}} the Special? Special]]? It was Capaldi. [[FaceStealer He was wearing John’s skin]]. I didn’t even know until it was time for his close-up. Then he… he took it off. I remember, he said “I am everything.” [[DeathGlare That close-up]] close-up wasn’t for the cameras. It was how he looked at all of us… all those who doubted.-]''



->[[Creator/KevinSmith Smith's]] writing on Batman is marked by nothing so much as a pervasive immaturity. He writes like a 13-year-old in every possible way...trivia and minutiae, the things that every kid obsesses over, are a substitute for storytelling and that all will be forgiven if you [[ContinuityPorn throw some old Catwoman costumes and draw the Batcave with some stuff from the TV show]] in the background.
-->-- '''Chris Sims''', [[http://comicsalliance.com/worst-of-the-worst-batman-the-widening-gyre-6/ "Worst of the Worst - Batman: The Widening Glare #6"]]

->Awesome, canon being written by the people who think that turbolaser bolts must have an invisible component that fires ahead of the visible beam because of a slight mistiming in a few VFX elements in a 30-year-old movie.
-->-- Website/SomethingAwful forum poster '''[=McSpanky=]''', hearing that a ''Franchise/StarWars'' technical manual was written by a ''Star Wars'' fansite admin

->'''Data:''' Shouldn't ''I'' go? Or a commando team? What's up with this "[[LetsFightLikeGentlemen mano a mano]]," "[[ThisIsSomethinghesGotToDoHimself I must face him alone]]" shit? You're not a Jedi Knight, you know.\\
'''Picard:''' I know. But this is what happens when you let fanboys write scripts.
-->-- '''[[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Nemesis/Pictorial-4.html Adam Wong]]''' on ''Film/StarTrekNemesis''

->...I think there’s a great cautionary tale here about what happens when you listen to the fans. Because the hardcore followers of any franchise, ''Star Trek'' or otherwise, who make the most noise are generally the ones most bogged down by their own personal hang-ups and obsessions, and therefore the least capable of knowing what would make for a good story.
-->-- '''Website/TheAgonyBooth''' on ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', [[http://www.agonybooth.com/tv/Star_Trek/Deep_Space_Nine/Resurrection.aspx "Resurrection"]]

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->[[Creator/KevinSmith Smith's]] writing on Batman is marked by nothing so much ->''Given his criticisms as a pervasive immaturity. He writes like a 13-year-old in every possible way...trivia and minutiae, the things that every kid obsesses over, are a substitute for storytelling and that all will be forgiven if you [[ContinuityPorn throw some old Catwoman costumes and draw the Batcave with some stuff from the TV show]] in the background.
-->-- '''Chris Sims''', [[http://comicsalliance.com/worst-of-the-worst-batman-the-widening-gyre-6/ "Worst of the Worst - Batman: The Widening Glare #6"]]

->Awesome, canon being written by the people who think that turbolaser bolts must have an invisible component that fires ahead of the visible beam because of a slight mistiming in a few VFX
young man, [[Creator/ChrisChibnall Chibnall’s]] choice to use so many elements of Pip and Jane’s [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS23E4TheUltimateFoe}} Trial of a Time Lord scripts]] almost feels like atonement. The Master, Gallifrey, the Matrix and a previously undiscovered incarnation of the Doctor. If he faces the same reaction from fans as he dished out in a 30-year-old movie.
-->-- Website/SomethingAwful forum poster '''[=McSpanky=]''', hearing that a ''Franchise/StarWars'' technical manual was written by a ''Star Wars'' fansite admin

->'''Data:''' Shouldn't ''I'' go? Or a commando team? What's up with this "[[LetsFightLikeGentlemen mano a mano]]," "[[ThisIsSomethinghesGotToDoHimself I must face him alone]]" shit? You're not a Jedi Knight, you know.\\
'''Picard:''' I know. But this is
the 80s it might be what happens when you let fanboys write scripts.
-->-- '''[[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Nemesis/Pictorial-4.html Adam Wong]]'''
call poetic justice.''
-->--'''[[https://docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-timeless-children-written-by-chris.html?m=1 Joe Ford]]'''
on ''Film/StarTrekNemesis''

->...I think there’s a great cautionary tale here about what happens when you listen to the fans. Because the hardcore followers of any franchise, ''Star Trek'' or otherwise, who make the most noise are generally the ones most bogged down by their own personal hang-ups and obsessions, and therefore the least capable of knowing what would make for a good story.
-->-- '''Website/TheAgonyBooth''' on ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', [[http://www.agonybooth.com/tv/Star_Trek/Deep_Space_Nine/Resurrection.aspx "Resurrection"]]
''Doctor Who'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS38E10TheTimelessChildren}} "The Timeless Children"]]



->I even wrote a script! Let's see, uh... (''looks at paper'') "[[Creator/AllisonPregler Lupa]] and 90's Kid start making out." Oh, wait, that's my fanfiction. (''looks at another paper'') Ah, here it is! "90's Kid and Lupa start making out!"

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even wrote a script! Let's see, uh... (''looks at paper'') "[[Creator/AllisonPregler uh...[[Creator/AllisonPregler Lupa]] and 90's Kid start making out." Oh, wait, that's my fanfiction. (''looks at another paper'') Ah, here it is! "90's Kid and Lupa start making out!""



->Have you ever read one of those ''Anime/YuGiOh'' {{fan fic}}s where the author clearly has no friggin' clue about story structure whatsoever, and they end up making me and the pharaoh long lost brothers, and then they completely forget to stick any card games into the plot?
-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg8xdis9SVk Melvin]]''' of ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', ''Yami Marik Dissects Film/XMenOriginsWolverine''



->It seems like the next generation of anime and video games were designed by people who grew up wanting to make anime and video games, rather than make japanese animation and learn video game design; if that makes any sense.
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->It seems like the next generation of anime and video games were designed by people who grew up wanting to make anime and video games, rather than make japanese animation and learn video game design; if that makes any sense.
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->''"You could say that any Franchise/{{Batman}} fan writing a Batman comic is writing fan fiction."''

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->Rene Echevarria, ditto. When he was in high school the man owned his own [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]] uniform. Hans Beimler was raised on TOS (in Spanish, the way God intended it to be heard). Frankly, since I’d only seen every episode five or six times growing up, I sometimes felt TOS deficient.

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->Rene ->"Rene Echevarria, ditto. When he was in high school the man owned his own [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]] uniform. Hans Beimler was raised on TOS (in Spanish, the way God intended it to be heard). Frankly, since I’d only seen every episode five or six times growing up, I sometimes felt TOS deficient."




->There is a large nostalgic component in there and there's nothing wrong with it. But if those people then begin to influence the books themselves or increasingly the movies or the television series then they will want their story to refer to stories that they remember. It becomes very incestuous and over a few decades you get a very limited dwindling gene pool. And you get stories that have become weak through inbreeding.
-->-- '''Creator/AlanMoore''', [[http://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/jul/25/alan-moore-league-extraordinary-gentlemen Guardian interview]]

->The trouble is, in my opinion, that the fans have taken over the comic books. They're comic fans, they've grown up on comic books, some of them have read nothing but comic books. They are writing comic books and drawing comic books ''for'' other comic-book fans to enjoy... and so they say the Cosmic Cube has reappeared and all the comic-book fans get a tingle because they know what the Cosmic Cube is and what the Cosmic Cube does. But a person picking up a comic book for the first time, the reference to the Cosmic Cube [[ContinuityLockOut is going to go right past him.]]
-->-- '''Rick Norwood''', "Hot Tips from Top Comics Creators"
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-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg8xdis9SVk Melvin]]''' of ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', ''Yami Marik Dissects "X-Men Origins: Wolverine"''

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-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg8xdis9SVk Melvin]]''' of ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', ''Yami Marik Dissects "X-Men Origins: Wolverine"''
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-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg8xdis9SVk Melvin]]''' of ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries''

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''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', ''Yami Marik Dissects "X-Men Origins: Wolverine"''
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->''"...I think there’s a great cautionary tale here about what happens when you listen to the fans. Because the hardcore followers of any franchise, ''Star Trek'' or otherwise, who make the most noise are generally the ones most bogged down by their own personal hang-ups and obsessions, and therefore the least capable of knowing what would make for a good story."''

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-->--'''''Website/TheAgonyBooth''''' on ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', [[http://www.agonybooth.com/tv/Star_Trek/Deep_Space_Nine/Resurrection.aspx "Resurrection"]]

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->''"...I think there’s a great cautionary tale here about what happens when you listen to the fans. Because the hardcore followers of any franchise, ''Star Trek'' or otherwise, who make the most noise are generally the ones most bogged down by their own personal hang-ups and obsessions, and therefore the least capable of knowing what would make for a good story."''
-->--'''''Website/TheAgonyBooth''''' on ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', [[http://www.agonybooth.com/tv/Star_Trek/Deep_Space_Nine/Resurrection.aspx "Resurrection"]]






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->I even wrote a script! Let's see, uh... (''looks at paper'') "[[ObscurusLupa Lupa]] and 90's Kid start making out." Oh, wait, that's my fanfiction. (''looks at another paper'') Ah, here it is! "90's Kid and Lupa start making out!"

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->I even wrote a script! Let's see, uh... (''looks at paper'') "[[ObscurusLupa "[[Creator/AllisonPregler Lupa]] and 90's Kid start making out." Oh, wait, that's my fanfiction. (''looks at another paper'') Ah, here it is! "90's Kid and Lupa start making out!"

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->It seems like the next generation of anime and video games were designed by people who grew up wanting to make anime and video games, rather than make japanese animation and learn video game design; if that makes any sense.
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->''"Rene Echevarria, ditto. When he was in high school the man owned his own [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]] uniform. Hans Beimler was raised on TOS (in Spanish, the way God intended it to be heard). Frankly, since I’d only seen every episode five or six times growing up, I sometimes felt TOS deficient."''
-->--'''Robert Hewitt-Wolfe'''


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->That's what I always hate about revivals of really old franchises:
the man owned his own [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]] uniform. Hans Beimler was raised on TOS (in Spanish, creators are always just a ''little'' bit too much in love with the way God intended it to be heard). Frankly, since I’d only seen every episode five or six times growing up, I sometimes felt TOS deficient."''
-->--'''Robert Hewitt-Wolfe'''

subject matter. That's why everyone in the new ''Series/DoctorWho'' spends all their time alternating between sucking the Doctor's balls and asking for more.
-->-- ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'' on ''VideoGame/{{Ghostbusters}}''

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->''"You could say that any Franchise/{{Batman}} fan writing a Batman comic is writing fan fiction."''
-->-- '''Creator/NeilGaiman'''

->There is a large nostalgic component in there and there's nothing wrong with it. But if those people then begin to influence the books themselves or increasingly the movies or the television series then they will want their story to refer to stories that they remember. It becomes very incestuous and over a few decades you get a very limited dwindling gene pool. And you get stories that have become weak through inbreeding.
-->-- '''Creator/AlanMoore''', [[http://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/jul/25/alan-moore-league-extraordinary-gentlemen Guardian interview]]

->The trouble is, in my opinion, that the fans have taken over the comic books. They're comic fans, they've grown up on comic books, some of them have read nothing but comic books. They are writing comic books and drawing comic books ''for'' other comic-book fans to enjoy, with [[Main/ContinuityPorn a lot of little fan references and fan jokes and fan names and characters in the background]]; and so they say the [[{{Main/CosmicKeystone}} Cosmic Cube]] has reappeared and all the comic-book fans get a tingle because they know what the Cosmic Cube is and what the Cosmic Cube does. But a person picking up a comic book for the first time, the reference to the Cosmic Cube is going to go right past him.
-->-- '''Rick Norwood''', "Hot Tips from Top Comics Creators"

->I even wrote a script! Let's see, uh... (''looks at paper'') "[[ObscurusLupa Lupa]] and 90's Kid start making out." Oh, wait, that's my fanfiction. (''looks at another paper'') Ah, here it is! "90's Kid and Lupa start making out!"
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall 90's Kid]]''', WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic review of ''Film/SimonSez''

->[[Creator/KevinSmith Smith's]] writing on Batman is marked by nothing so much as a pervasive immaturity. He writes like a 13-year-old in every possible way..trivia and minutiae, the things that every kid obsesses over, are a substitute for storytelling and that all will be forgiven if you [[ContinuityPorn throw some old Catwoman costumes and draw the Batcave with some stuff from the TV show]] in the background.

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->''"You could say that any Franchise/{{Batman}} fan writing a Batman comic is writing fan fiction."''
-->-- '''Creator/NeilGaiman'''

->There is a large nostalgic component in there and there's nothing wrong with it. But if those people then begin to influence the books themselves or increasingly the movies or the television series then they will want their story to refer to stories that they remember. It becomes very incestuous and over a few decades you get a very limited dwindling gene pool. And you get stories that have become weak through inbreeding.
-->-- '''Creator/AlanMoore''', [[http://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/jul/25/alan-moore-league-extraordinary-gentlemen Guardian interview]]

->The trouble is, in my opinion, that the fans have taken over the comic books. They're comic fans, they've grown up on comic books, some of them have read nothing but comic books. They are writing comic books and drawing comic books ''for'' other comic-book fans to enjoy, with [[Main/ContinuityPorn a lot of little fan references and fan jokes and fan names and characters in the background]]; and so they say the [[{{Main/CosmicKeystone}} Cosmic Cube]] has reappeared and all the comic-book fans get a tingle because they know what the Cosmic Cube is and what the Cosmic Cube does. But a person picking up a comic book for the first time, the reference to the Cosmic Cube is going to go right past him.
-->-- '''Rick Norwood''', "Hot Tips from Top Comics Creators"

->I even wrote a script! Let's see, uh... (''looks at paper'') "[[ObscurusLupa Lupa]] and 90's Kid start making out." Oh, wait, that's my fanfiction. (''looks at another paper'') Ah, here it is! "90's Kid and Lupa start making out!"
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall 90's Kid]]''', WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic review of ''Film/SimonSez''

->[[Creator/KevinSmith Smith's]] writing on Batman is marked by nothing so much as a pervasive immaturity. He writes like a 13-year-old in every possible way..way...trivia and minutiae, the things that every kid obsesses over, are a substitute for storytelling and that all will be forgiven if you [[ContinuityPorn throw some old Catwoman costumes and draw the Batcave with some stuff from the TV show]] in the background.



->When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
-->-- '''Creator/HunterSThompson'''



->Have you ever read one of those ''Anime/YuGiOh'' {{fan fic}}s where the author clearly has no friggin clue about story structure whatsoever, and they end up making me and the pharaoh long lost brothers, and then they completely forget to stick any card games into the plot? If so then you'll find ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine'' to be extremely familiar territory, as it plays out precisely like a fanfic GoneHorriblyWrong.

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->I even wrote a script! Let's see, uh... (''looks at paper'') "[[ObscurusLupa Lupa]] and 90's Kid start making out." Oh, wait, that's my fanfiction. (''looks at another paper'') Ah, here it is! "90's Kid and Lupa start making out!"
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall 90's Kid]]''', WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic review of ''Film/SimonSez''

->Have you ever read one of those ''Anime/YuGiOh'' {{fan fic}}s where the author clearly has no friggin friggin' clue about story structure whatsoever, and they end up making me and the pharaoh long lost brothers, and then they completely forget to stick any card games into the plot? If so then you'll find ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine'' to be extremely familiar territory, as it plays out precisely like a fanfic GoneHorriblyWrong.plot?



->That's what I always hate about revivals of really old franchises: the creators are always just a little bit too much in love with the subject matter. That's why everyone in the new ''Series/DoctorWho'' spends all their time alternating between sucking the Doctor's balls and asking for more.
-->-- ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'' on ''VideoGame/{{Ghostbusters}}''

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->That's what I always hate about revivals of really old franchises: [[AC:RealLife]]


->When
the creators are always just a little bit too much in love with going gets weird, the subject matter. That's why everyone in the new ''Series/DoctorWho'' spends all their time alternating between sucking the Doctor's balls and asking for more.
weird turn pro.
-->-- ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'' '''Creator/HunterSThompson'''

->''"You could say that any Franchise/{{Batman}} fan writing a Batman comic is writing fan fiction."''
-->-- '''Creator/NeilGaiman'''

->Rene Echevarria, ditto. When he was in high school the man owned his own [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]] uniform. Hans Beimler was raised
on ''VideoGame/{{Ghostbusters}}''
TOS (in Spanish, the way God intended it to be heard). Frankly, since I’d only seen every episode five or six times growing up, I sometimes felt TOS deficient.
-->--'''Robert Hewitt-Wolfe'''

->There is a large nostalgic component in there and there's nothing wrong with it. But if those people then begin to influence the books themselves or increasingly the movies or the television series then they will want their story to refer to stories that they remember. It becomes very incestuous and over a few decades you get a very limited dwindling gene pool. And you get stories that have become weak through inbreeding.
-->-- '''Creator/AlanMoore''', [[http://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/jul/25/alan-moore-league-extraordinary-gentlemen Guardian interview]]

->The trouble is, in my opinion, that the fans have taken over the comic books. They're comic fans, they've grown up on comic books, some of them have read nothing but comic books. They are writing comic books and drawing comic books ''for'' other comic-book fans to enjoy... and so they say the Cosmic Cube has reappeared and all the comic-book fans get a tingle because they know what the Cosmic Cube is and what the Cosmic Cube does. But a person picking up a comic book for the first time, the reference to the Cosmic Cube [[ContinuityLockOut is going to go right past him.]]
-->-- '''Rick Norwood''', "Hot Tips from Top Comics Creators"

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->Rene Echevarria, ditto? When he was in high school the man owned his own [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]] uniform. Hans Beimler was raised on TOS (in Spanish, the way God intended it to be heard). Frankly, since I’d only seen every episode five or six times growing up, I sometimes felt TOS deficient.

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->Rene ->''"Rene Echevarria, ditto? ditto. When he was in high school the man owned his own [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]] uniform. Hans Beimler was raised on TOS (in Spanish, the way God intended it to be heard). Frankly, since I’d only seen every episode five or six times growing up, I sometimes felt TOS deficient."''



->I'm starting to wonder if there isn't a single historical event that the Doctor ''wasn't'' present at. As much of a myth as a man. Thus begins Creator/RussellTDavies' obsession with turning the Doctor into a mythological icon, which was picked up by Creator/StevenMoffat and led to insane depictions of the character in stories such as [[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E7AGoodManGoesToWar "A Good Man Goes to War"]] (where entire armies tremble at his name).
-->-- '''Joe Ford''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS27E1Rose}} "Rose"]]

->You could say that any Franchise/{{Batman}} fan writing a Batman comic is writing fan fiction.

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->I'm starting to wonder if there isn't a single historical event that the Doctor ''wasn't'' present at. As much of a myth as a man. Thus begins Creator/RussellTDavies' obsession with turning the Doctor into a mythological icon, which was picked up by
->''[-Hey guys, your friend
Creator/StevenMoffat here. I’m pretty busy working on Sherlock now, but I thought I’d drop by Tumblr with a friendly warning.-]\\\
[-For God’s sake, don’t make Creator/PeterCapaldi mad. Don’t do it. Don’t you do it.-]\\\
[-He’s not like normal actors. He reads *everything*. Livejournal, Insanejournal, Dreamwidth… he’s everywhere. He wrote a 49-chapter fic about Donna Noble
and led to insane depictions of a female Sixth Doctor in a lesbian relationship, for Christ’s sake, and it was *good*! If you anger him, he will come for you in the character in stories such as [[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E7AGoodManGoesToWar "A Good Man Goes to War"]] (where entire armies tremble night!-]\\\
[-Always
at night. Never during the day. We think [[WeakenedByTheLight this may be a weakness]], but it could just be his name).
own sadistic choice.-]\\\
[-All he wants—all he’s ever wanted—was to be the Doctor. God help us. God help us all, the things he’s done. You think Creator/MattSmith wanted to leave? He woke up one morning and found that all the hair had been shaved from his head, with Peter Capaldi sitting at the foot of his bed, stroking it like a pet.-]\\\
[-I once asked Creator/ChristopherEccleston why he wouldn’t come back for the 50th Anniversary Special. He didn’t answer, only asked a question. “Is Peter Capaldi there?” I didn’t answer, but my silence told him everything. He’s still in America, playing the bad guy in sci-fi movies. He’s safe there. At least, I hope he is.-]\\\
[-You think Creator/JohnHurt was in the Special? It was Capaldi. [[FaceStealer He was wearing John’s skin]]. I didn’t even know until it was time for his close-up. Then he… he took it off. I remember, he said “I am everything.” [[DeathGlare That close-up]] wasn’t for the cameras. It was how he looked at all of us… all those who doubted.-]''
-->-- '''Joe Ford''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS27E1Rose}} "Rose"]]

->You
'''[[http://fuckyeahmelancholy.tumblr.com/post/71320608841/kbox-in-the-box-valdorsaofgallifrey-tell-me Tumblr]]''' ultimatum

->''"You
could say that any Franchise/{{Batman}} fan writing a Batman comic is writing fan fiction."''



->I have no idea where anything is. I have no idea what anything does. This is not merely a madhouse designed by a madman, but a madhouse designed by ''many'' madmen, each with an intense hatred for the previous madman's unique flavour of madness.
-->-- '''[[http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=64258.msg2338835#msg2338835 Andreus the Endless One]]''', LetsPlay ''VideoGame/DwarfFortress: [[SuccessionGame Failcannon]]''

->Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It's produced by humans who can't stand looking at other humans. And that's why the industry is full of {{otaku}}!
-->-- '''Creator/HayaoMiyazaki'''

->These days, the majority of the comic book audience is 40-somethings who are not necessarily interested in comic books as a medium or panel progression or sequential narrative. They are probably interested in ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}. There is a large nostalgic component in there and there's nothing wrong with it. But if those people then begin to influence the books themselves or increasingly the movies or the television series then they will want their story to refer to stories that they remember. It becomes very incestuous and over a few decades you get a very limited dwindling gene pool. And you get stories that have become weak through inbreeding.

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->I have no idea where anything is. I have no idea what anything does. This is not merely a madhouse designed by a madman, but a madhouse designed by ''many'' madmen, each with an intense hatred for the previous madman's unique flavour of madness.
-->-- '''[[http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=64258.msg2338835#msg2338835 Andreus the Endless One]]''', LetsPlay ''VideoGame/DwarfFortress: [[SuccessionGame Failcannon]]''

->Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It's produced by humans who can't stand looking at other humans. And that's why the industry is full of {{otaku}}!
-->-- '''Creator/HayaoMiyazaki'''

->These days, the majority of the comic book audience is 40-somethings who are not necessarily interested in comic books as a medium or panel progression or sequential narrative. They are probably interested in ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}. There
->There is a large nostalgic component in there and there's nothing wrong with it. But if those people then begin to influence the books themselves or increasingly the movies or the television series then they will want their story to refer to stories that they remember. It becomes very incestuous and over a few decades you get a very limited dwindling gene pool. And you get stories that have become weak through inbreeding.



->The trouble is, in my opinion, that the fans have taken over the comic books. They're comic fans, they've grown up on comic books, some of them have read nothing but comic books. They are writing comic books and drawing comic books ''for'' other comic-book fans to enjoy, with [[Main/ContinuityPorn a lot of little fan references and fan jokes and fan names and characters in the background]]; and so they say the [[{{Main/CosmicKeystone}} Cosmic Cube]] has reappeared and all the comic-book fans get a tingle because they know what the Cosmic Cube is and what the Cosmic Cube does. But a person picking up a comic book for the first time, the reference to the Cosmic Cube is going to go right past him. How many times has the ''climax'' of the story been the revelation of who the villain is? You get this full-page panel for the last page of the story and it's SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}}, and you get a ''chill'' if you know who Magneto is, but if you've never heard of Magneto before, this is no climax to a story.

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->The trouble is, in my opinion, that the fans have taken over the comic books. They're comic fans, they've grown up on comic books, some of them have read nothing but comic books. They are writing comic books and drawing comic books ''for'' other comic-book fans to enjoy, with [[Main/ContinuityPorn a lot of little fan references and fan jokes and fan names and characters in the background]]; and so they say the [[{{Main/CosmicKeystone}} Cosmic Cube]] has reappeared and all the comic-book fans get a tingle because they know what the Cosmic Cube is and what the Cosmic Cube does. But a person picking up a comic book for the first time, the reference to the Cosmic Cube is going to go right past him. How many times has the ''climax'' of the story been the revelation of who the villain is? You get this full-page panel for the last page of the story and it's SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}}, and you get a ''chill'' if you know who Magneto is, but if you've never heard of Magneto before, this is no climax to a story.



->[[Creator/KevinSmith Smith's ]]writing on Batman is marked by nothing so much as a pervasive immaturity. He writes like a 13-year-old in every possible way [...] trivia and minutiae, the things that every kid obsesses over, are a substitute for storytelling and that all will be forgiven if you [[ContinuityPorn throw some old Catwoman costumes and draw the Batcave with some stuff from the TV show]] in the background.

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->[[Creator/KevinSmith Smith's ]]writing Smith's]] writing on Batman is marked by nothing so much as a pervasive immaturity. He writes like a 13-year-old in every possible way [...] way..trivia and minutiae, the things that every kid obsesses over, are a substitute for storytelling and that all will be forgiven if you [[ContinuityPorn throw some old Catwoman costumes and draw the Batcave with some stuff from the TV show]] in the background.
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->[[Wrestling/MissElizabeth Liz's]] problem was that she didn't want to be a pro wrestler. Her $156,000-a-year contract, which was disproportionately huge for the amount of work she did, was for her role as a manage; her contract gave her the right to refuse to get in the ring. Russo kept her around early in his tenure and was constantly trying to get her to strip down to her bra and panties on TV, probably since when he was a wrestling fan growing up in Long Island, she was the biggest sex symbol in the WWF...And then, of course, there was the David-Stacey (Keibler) wedding that, in a [[ShockingSwerve swerve]], never took place, as Stacey revealed that David [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe wasn't the father of her unborn baby]]. By the grace of God, the company went out of business before fans had a chance to hear her [[BrainBleach identify Russo as the dad]], which was the original business plan.\\\
The mere thought of Russo booking an angle that saw him having sex with the hottest girl in the company was annoying enough, but on top of that, Russo had somehow now become the number-one contender for the WCW title.
-->--'''R. D. Reynolds''' and '''Bryan Alvarez''' on Wrestling/VinceRusso, ''Literature/TheDeathOfWCW''

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->[[Wrestling/MissElizabeth Liz's]] problem was that she didn't want to be a pro wrestler. Her $156,000-a-year contract, which was disproportionately huge for the amount of work she did, was for her role as a manage; her contract gave her the right to refuse to get in the ring. Russo kept her around early in his tenure and was constantly trying to get her to strip down to her bra and panties on TV, probably since when ->Rene Echevarria, ditto? When he was a wrestling fan in high school the man owned his own [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]] uniform. Hans Beimler was raised on TOS (in Spanish, the way God intended it to be heard). Frankly, since I’d only seen every episode five or six times growing up in Long Island, she was the biggest sex symbol in the WWF...And then, of course, there was the David-Stacey (Keibler) wedding that, in a [[ShockingSwerve swerve]], never took place, as Stacey revealed that David [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe wasn't the father of her unborn baby]]. By the grace of God, the company went out of business before fans had a chance to hear her [[BrainBleach identify Russo as the dad]], which was the original business plan.\\\
The mere thought of Russo booking an angle that saw him having sex with the hottest girl in the company was annoying enough, but on top of that, Russo had somehow now become the number-one contender for the WCW title.
-->--'''R. D. Reynolds''' and '''Bryan Alvarez''' on Wrestling/VinceRusso, ''Literature/TheDeathOfWCW''
up, I sometimes felt TOS deficient.
-->--'''Robert Hewitt-Wolfe'''



->You see, whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, it depends on whether or not you can say to yourself, "Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life." If you don't spend time watching real people, you can't do this, because you've never seen it. Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It's produced by humans who can't stand looking at other humans. And that's why the industry is full of {{otaku}}!

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->You see, whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, it depends on whether or not you can say to yourself, "Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life." If you don't spend time watching real people, you can't do this, because you've never seen it. Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost ->Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It's produced by humans who can't stand looking at other humans. And that's why the industry is full of {{otaku}}!



->Let's face it: Creator/KevinSmith is a comics fan. That's one of the things he built his reputation on through his movies. He was the filmmaker who wore his geek influences on his sleeve, and whether or not it's another symptom of parts of the comics industry being so insecure that [[AnimationAgeGhetto they beg for the table scraps of other media]], the fact that he’s a high profile fan is a key aspect to these books [...] Smith's writing on Batman is marked by nothing so much as a pervasive immaturity. He writes like a 13-year-old in every possible way [...] trivia and minutiae, the things that every kid obsesses over, are a substitute for storytelling and that all will be forgiven if you [[ContinuityPorn throw some old Catwoman costumes and draw the Batcave with some stuff from the TV show]] in the background. And underneath it all is the idea that ''[[GiftedlyBad someone actually thinks this is good]]'', and it's just sad.

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->Let's face it: Creator/KevinSmith is a comics fan. That's one of the things he built his reputation on through his movies. He was the filmmaker who wore his geek influences on his sleeve, and whether or not it's another symptom of parts of the comics industry being so insecure that [[AnimationAgeGhetto they beg for the table scraps of other media]], the fact that he’s a high profile fan is a key aspect to these books [...] ->[[Creator/KevinSmith Smith's writing ]]writing on Batman is marked by nothing so much as a pervasive immaturity. He writes like a 13-year-old in every possible way [...] trivia and minutiae, the things that every kid obsesses over, are a substitute for storytelling and that all will be forgiven if you [[ContinuityPorn throw some old Catwoman costumes and draw the Batcave with some stuff from the TV show]] in the background. And underneath it all is the idea that ''[[GiftedlyBad someone actually thinks this is good]]'', and it's just sad.
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->[[Wrestling/MissElizabeth Liz's]] problem was that she didn't want to be a pro wrestler. Her $156,000-a-year contract, which was disproportionately huge for the amount of work she did, was for her role as a manage; her contract gave her the right to refuse to get in the ring. [[Wrestling/VinceRusso Russo]] kept her around early in his tenure and was constantly trying to get her to strip down to her bra and panties on TV, probably since when he was a wrestling fan growing up in Long Island, she was the biggest sex symbol in the WWF...And then, of course, there was the David-Stacey (Keibler) wedding that, in a [[ShockingSwerve swerve]], never took place, as Stacey revealed that David [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe wasn't the father of her unborn baby]]. By the grace of God, the company went out of business before fans had a chance to hear her [[BrainBleach identify Russo as the dad]], which was the original business plan.\\\
The mere though of Russo booking an angle that saw him having sex with the hottest girl in the company was annoying enough, but on top of that, Russo had somehow now become the number-one contender for the WCW title.
-->--'''R. D. Reynolds''' and '''Bryan Alvarez''', ''Literature/TheDeathOfWCW''

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->[[Wrestling/MissElizabeth Liz's]] problem was that she didn't want to be a pro wrestler. Her $156,000-a-year contract, which was disproportionately huge for the amount of work she did, was for her role as a manage; her contract gave her the right to refuse to get in the ring. [[Wrestling/VinceRusso Russo]] Russo kept her around early in his tenure and was constantly trying to get her to strip down to her bra and panties on TV, probably since when he was a wrestling fan growing up in Long Island, she was the biggest sex symbol in the WWF...And then, of course, there was the David-Stacey (Keibler) wedding that, in a [[ShockingSwerve swerve]], never took place, as Stacey revealed that David [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe wasn't the father of her unborn baby]]. By the grace of God, the company went out of business before fans had a chance to hear her [[BrainBleach identify Russo as the dad]], which was the original business plan.\\\
The mere though thought of Russo booking an angle that saw him having sex with the hottest girl in the company was annoying enough, but on top of that, Russo had somehow now become the number-one contender for the WCW title.
-->--'''R. D. Reynolds''' and '''Bryan Alvarez''', Alvarez''' on Wrestling/VinceRusso, ''Literature/TheDeathOfWCW''
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->[[Wrestling/MissElizabeth Liz's]] probably was that she didn't want to be a pro wrestler. Her $156,000-a-year contract, which was disproportionately huge for the amount of work she did, was for her role as a manage; her contract gave her the right to refuse to get in the ring. [[Wrestling/VinceRusso Russo]] kept her around early in his tenure and was constantly trying to get her to strip down to her bra and panties on TV, probably since when he was a wrestling fan growing up in Long Island, she was the biggest sex symbol in the WWF...And then, of course, there was the David-Stacey (Keibler) wedding that, in a [[ShockingSwerve swerve]], never took place, as Stacey revealed that David [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe wasn't the father of her unborn baby]]. By the grace of God, the company went out of business before fans had a chance to hear her [[BrainBleach identify Russo as the dad]], which was the original business plan.\\\

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->[[Wrestling/MissElizabeth Liz's]] probably problem was that she didn't want to be a pro wrestler. Her $156,000-a-year contract, which was disproportionately huge for the amount of work she did, was for her role as a manage; her contract gave her the right to refuse to get in the ring. [[Wrestling/VinceRusso Russo]] kept her around early in his tenure and was constantly trying to get her to strip down to her bra and panties on TV, probably since when he was a wrestling fan growing up in Long Island, she was the biggest sex symbol in the WWF...And then, of course, there was the David-Stacey (Keibler) wedding that, in a [[ShockingSwerve swerve]], never took place, as Stacey revealed that David [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe wasn't the father of her unborn baby]]. By the grace of God, the company went out of business before fans had a chance to hear her [[BrainBleach identify Russo as the dad]], which was the original business plan.\\\

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->[[Wrestling/MissElizabeth Liz's]] probably was that she didn't want to be a pro wrestler. Her $156,000-a-year contract, which was disproportionately huge for the amount of work she did, was for her role as a manage; her contract gave her the right to refuse to get in the ring. [[Wrestling/VinceRusso Russo]] kept her around early in his tenure and was constantly trying to get her to strip down to her bra and panties on TV, probably since when he was a wrestling fan growing up in Long Island, she was the biggest sex symbol in the WWF...And then, of course, there was the David-Stacey (Keibler) wedding that, in a [[ShockingSwerve swerve]], never took place, as Stacey revealed that David [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe wasn't the father of her unborn baby]]. By the grace of God, the company went out of business before fans had a chance to hear her [[BrainBleach identify Russo as the dad]], which was the original business plan.\\\
The mere though of Russo booking an angle that saw him having sex with the hottest girl in the company was annoying enough, but on top of that, Russo had somehow now become the number-one contender for the WCW title.
-->--'''R. D. Reynolds''' and '''Bryan Alvarez''', ''Literature/TheDeathOfWCW''



-->-- '''Doc Oho''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS27E1Rose}} "Rose"]]

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-->-- '''Doc Oho''' '''Joe Ford''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS27E1Rose}} "Rose"]]

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->''"I even wrote a script! Let's see, uh...(Looks at paper) [[ObscurusLupa Lupa]] and 90's Kid start making out. Oh, wait, that's my fanfiction. (Looks at another paper) Ah, here it is! 90's Kid and Lupa start making out!"''
-->--'''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall 90's Kid]]''', WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic review of ''Film/SimonSez''.

->''"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."''
-->-- '''Creator/HunterSThompson'''

->''"These days, the majority of the comic book audience is 40-somethings who are not necessarily interested in comic books as a medium or panel progression or sequential narrative. They are probably interested in ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}. There is a large nostalgic component in there and there's nothing wrong with it. But if those people then begin to influence the books themselves or increasingly the movies or the television series then they will want their story to refer to stories that they remember. It becomes very incestuous and over a few decades you get a very limited dwindling gene pool. And you get stories that have become weak through inbreeding."''

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->''"I even wrote ->I'm starting to wonder if there isn't a script! Let's single historical event that the Doctor ''wasn't'' present at. As much of a myth as a man. Thus begins Creator/RussellTDavies' obsession with turning the Doctor into a mythological icon, which was picked up by Creator/StevenMoffat and led to insane depictions of the character in stories such as [[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E7AGoodManGoesToWar "A Good Man Goes to War"]] (where entire armies tremble at his name).
-->-- '''Doc Oho''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS27E1Rose}} "Rose"]]

->You could say that any Franchise/{{Batman}} fan writing a Batman comic is writing fan fiction.
-->-- '''Creator/NeilGaiman'''

->I have no idea where anything is. I have no idea what anything does. This is not merely a madhouse designed by a madman, but a madhouse designed by ''many'' madmen, each with an intense hatred for the previous madman's unique flavour of madness.
-->-- '''[[http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=64258.msg2338835#msg2338835 Andreus the Endless One]]''', LetsPlay ''VideoGame/DwarfFortress: [[SuccessionGame Failcannon]]''

->You
see, uh...(Looks whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, it depends on whether or not you can say to yourself, "Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life." If you don't spend time watching real people, you can't do this, because you've never seen it. Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It's produced by humans who can't stand looking at paper) [[ObscurusLupa Lupa]] and 90's Kid start making out. Oh, wait, other humans. And that's my fanfiction. (Looks at another paper) Ah, here it is! 90's Kid and Lupa start making out!"''
-->--'''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall 90's Kid]]''', WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic review of ''Film/SimonSez''.

->''"When
why the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."''
industry is full of {{otaku}}!
-->-- '''Creator/HunterSThompson'''

->''"These
'''Creator/HayaoMiyazaki'''

->These
days, the majority of the comic book audience is 40-somethings who are not necessarily interested in comic books as a medium or panel progression or sequential narrative. They are probably interested in ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}. There is a large nostalgic component in there and there's nothing wrong with it. But if those people then begin to influence the books themselves or increasingly the movies or the television series then they will want their story to refer to stories that they remember. It becomes very incestuous and over a few decades you get a very limited dwindling gene pool. And you get stories that have become weak through inbreeding."''



->''"Let’s face it: Creator/KevinSmith is a comics fan. That’s one of the things he built his reputation on through his movies. He was the filmmaker who wore his geek influences on his sleeve, and whether or not it’s another symptom of parts of the comics industry being so insecure that [[AnimationAgeGhetto they beg for the table scraps of other media]], the fact that he’s a high profile fan is a key aspect to these books...Smith’s writing on Batman is marked by nothing so much as a pervasive immaturity. He writes like a 13-year-old in every possible way...trivia and minutiae, the things that every kid obsesses over, are a substitute for storytelling and that all will be forgiven if you [[ContinuityPorn throw some old Catwoman costumes and draw the Batcave with some stuff from the TV show]] in the background. And underneath it all is the idea that ''[[GiftedlyBad someone actually thinks this is good]]'', and it’s just sad."''
-->--'''Chris Sims''', [[http://comicsalliance.com/worst-of-the-worst-batman-the-widening-gyre-6/ "Worst of the Worst - Batman: The Widening Glare #6"]]

->'''Data:''' Shouldn't ''I'' go? Or a commando team? What's up with this "[[LetsFightLikeGentlemen mano a mano]]", "[[ThisIsSomethinghesGotToDoHimself I must face him alone]]" shit? You're not a Jedi Knight, you know.\\

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->''"Let’s ->The trouble is, in my opinion, that the fans have taken over the comic books. They're comic fans, they've grown up on comic books, some of them have read nothing but comic books. They are writing comic books and drawing comic books ''for'' other comic-book fans to enjoy, with [[Main/ContinuityPorn a lot of little fan references and fan jokes and fan names and characters in the background]]; and so they say the [[{{Main/CosmicKeystone}} Cosmic Cube]] has reappeared and all the comic-book fans get a tingle because they know what the Cosmic Cube is and what the Cosmic Cube does. But a person picking up a comic book for the first time, the reference to the Cosmic Cube is going to go right past him. How many times has the ''climax'' of the story been the revelation of who the villain is? You get this full-page panel for the last page of the story and it's SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}}, and you get a ''chill'' if you know who Magneto is, but if you've never heard of Magneto before, this is no climax to a story.
-->-- '''Rick Norwood''', "Hot Tips from Top Comics Creators"

->I even wrote a script! Let's see, uh... (''looks at paper'') "[[ObscurusLupa Lupa]] and 90's Kid start making out." Oh, wait, that's my fanfiction. (''looks at another paper'') Ah, here it is! "90's Kid and Lupa start making out!"
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall 90's Kid]]''', WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic review of ''Film/SimonSez''

->Let's
face it: Creator/KevinSmith is a comics fan. That’s That's one of the things he built his reputation on through his movies. He was the filmmaker who wore his geek influences on his sleeve, and whether or not it’s it's another symptom of parts of the comics industry being so insecure that [[AnimationAgeGhetto they beg for the table scraps of other media]], the fact that he’s a high profile fan is a key aspect to these books...Smith’s books [...] Smith's writing on Batman is marked by nothing so much as a pervasive immaturity. He writes like a 13-year-old in every possible way...way [...] trivia and minutiae, the things that every kid obsesses over, are a substitute for storytelling and that all will be forgiven if you [[ContinuityPorn throw some old Catwoman costumes and draw the Batcave with some stuff from the TV show]] in the background. And underneath it all is the idea that ''[[GiftedlyBad someone actually thinks this is good]]'', and it’s it's just sad."''
-->--'''Chris
sad.
-->-- '''Chris
Sims''', [[http://comicsalliance.com/worst-of-the-worst-batman-the-widening-gyre-6/ "Worst of the Worst - Batman: The Widening Glare #6"]]

->Awesome, canon being written by the people who think that turbolaser bolts must have an invisible component that fires ahead of the visible beam because of a slight mistiming in a few VFX elements in a 30-year-old movie.
-->-- Website/SomethingAwful forum poster '''[=McSpanky=]''', hearing that a ''Franchise/StarWars'' technical manual was written by a ''Star Wars'' fansite admin

->When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
-->-- '''Creator/HunterSThompson'''

->'''Data:''' Shouldn't ''I'' go? Or a commando team? What's up with this "[[LetsFightLikeGentlemen mano a mano]]", mano]]," "[[ThisIsSomethinghesGotToDoHimself I must face him alone]]" shit? You're not a Jedi Knight, you know.\\



-->--'''[[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Nemesis/Pictorial-4.html Adam Wong]]''' on ''Film/StarTrekNemesis''

->''"That's what I always hate about revivals of really old franchises: the creators are always just a little bit too much in love with the subject matter. That's why everyone in the new ''Series/DoctorWho'' spends all their time alternating between sucking the Doctor's balls and asking for more."''
-->--'''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' on ''VideoGame/{{Ghostbusters}}''

->''I'm starting to wonder if there isn't a single historical event that the Doctor ''wasn't'' present at. As much of a myth as a man. Thus begins Creator/RussellTDavies' obsession with turning the Doctor into a mythological icon, which was picked up by Creator/StevenMoffat and led to insane depictions of the character in stories such as [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS32E7AGoodManGoesToWar}} A Good Man Goes to War]] (where entire armies tremble at his name)."''
-->--'''Doc Oho''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS27E1Rose}} "Rose"]]

->"''Have you ever read one of those ''Anime/YuGiOh'' {{fan fic}}s where the author clearly has no friggin clue about story structure whatsoever, and they end up making me and the pharaoh long lost brothers, and then they completely forget to stick any card games into the plot? If so then you'll find ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine'' to be extremely familiar territory, as it plays out precisely like a fanfic GoneHorriblyWrong.''"

to:

-->--'''[[http://www.-->-- '''[[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Nemesis/Pictorial-4.html Adam Wong]]''' on ''Film/StarTrekNemesis''

->''"That's what I always hate about revivals of really old franchises: the creators are always just a little bit too much in love with the subject matter. That's why everyone in the new ''Series/DoctorWho'' spends all their time alternating between sucking the Doctor's balls and asking for more."''
-->--'''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' on ''VideoGame/{{Ghostbusters}}''

->''I'm starting to wonder if there isn't a single historical event that the Doctor ''wasn't'' present at. As much of a myth as a man. Thus begins Creator/RussellTDavies' obsession with turning the Doctor into a mythological icon, which was picked up by Creator/StevenMoffat and led to insane depictions of the character in stories such as [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS32E7AGoodManGoesToWar}} A Good Man Goes to War]] (where entire armies tremble at his name)."''
-->--'''Doc Oho''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS27E1Rose}} "Rose"]]

->"''Have
->Have you ever read one of those ''Anime/YuGiOh'' {{fan fic}}s where the author clearly has no friggin clue about story structure whatsoever, and they end up making me and the pharaoh long lost brothers, and then they completely forget to stick any card games into the plot? If so then you'll find ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine'' to be extremely familiar territory, as it plays out precisely like a fanfic GoneHorriblyWrong.''"



-> I have no idea where anything is. I have no idea what anything does. This is not merely a madhouse designed by a madman, but a madhouse designed by ''many'' madmen, each with an intense hatred for the previous madman's unique flavour of madness.
-->-- [[http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=64258.msg2338835#msg2338835 an observation]] from a participant of ''VideoGame/DwarfFortress'' SuccessionGame "Failcannon"

->''Awesome, canon being written by the people who think that turbolaser bolts must have an invisible component that fires ahead of the visible beam because of a slight mistiming in a few VFX elements in a 30-year-old movie.''
-->-- SomethingAwful forum poster Mc Spanky, upon hearing that a Star Wars technical manual was written by a Star Wars fansite admin

->''You see, whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, it depends on whether or not you can say to yourself, ‘Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life.' If you don’t spend time watching real people, you can’t do this, because you’ve never seen it. Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans. And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!''
-->-- '''Creator/HayaoMiyazaki'''

->''The trouble is, in my opinion, that the fans have taken over the comic books. They're comic fans, they've grown up on comic books, some of them have read nothing but comic books. They are writing comic books and drawing comic books '''for''' other comic-book fans to enjoy, with [[Main/ContinuityPorn a lot of little fan references and fan jokes and fan names and characters in the background]]; and so they say the [[{{Main/CosmicKeystone}} Cosmic Cube]] has reappeared and all the comic-book fans get a tingle because they know what the Cosmic Cube is and what the Cosmic Cube does. But a person picking up a comic book for the first time, the reference to the Cosmic Cube is going to go right past him. How many times has the '''climax''' of the story been the revelation of who the villain is? You get this full-page panel for the last page of the story and it's [[{{SelfDemonstrating/Magneto}} Magneto]], and you get a '''chill''' if you know who Magneto is, but if you've never heard of Magneto before, this is no climax to a story.''
-->-- Rick Norwood, ''Hot Tips from Top Comics Creators''

to:

-> I have no idea where anything is. I have no idea ->That's what anything does. This is not merely I always hate about revivals of really old franchises: the creators are always just a madhouse designed by a madman, but a madhouse designed by ''many'' madmen, each little bit too much in love with an intense hatred the subject matter. That's why everyone in the new ''Series/DoctorWho'' spends all their time alternating between sucking the Doctor's balls and asking for the previous madman's unique flavour of madness.
more.
-->-- [[http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=64258.msg2338835#msg2338835 an observation]] from a participant of ''VideoGame/DwarfFortress'' SuccessionGame "Failcannon"

->''Awesome, canon being written by the people who think that turbolaser bolts must have an invisible component that fires ahead of the visible beam because of a slight mistiming in a few VFX elements in a 30-year-old movie.''
-->-- SomethingAwful forum poster Mc Spanky, upon hearing that a Star Wars technical manual was written by a Star Wars fansite admin

->''You see, whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, it depends
''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'' on whether or not you can say to yourself, ‘Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life.' If you don’t spend time watching real people, you can’t do this, because you’ve never seen it. Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans. And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!''
-->-- '''Creator/HayaoMiyazaki'''

->''The trouble is, in my opinion, that the fans have taken over the comic books. They're comic fans, they've grown up on comic books, some of them have read nothing but comic books. They are writing comic books and drawing comic books '''for''' other comic-book fans to enjoy, with [[Main/ContinuityPorn a lot of little fan references and fan jokes and fan names and characters in the background]]; and so they say the [[{{Main/CosmicKeystone}} Cosmic Cube]] has reappeared and all the comic-book fans get a tingle because they know what the Cosmic Cube is and what the Cosmic Cube does. But a person picking up a comic book for the first time, the reference to the Cosmic Cube is going to go right past him. How many times has the '''climax''' of the story been the revelation of who the villain is? You get this full-page panel for the last page of the story and it's [[{{SelfDemonstrating/Magneto}} Magneto]], and you get a '''chill''' if you know who Magneto is, but if you've never heard of Magneto before, this is no climax to a story.''
-->-- Rick Norwood, ''Hot Tips from Top Comics Creators''
''VideoGame/{{Ghostbusters}}''
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-->--'''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall 90's Kid]]''', WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic review of SimonSez.

to:

-->--'''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall 90's Kid]]''', WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic review of SimonSez.
''Film/SimonSez''.

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