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In fact, victim characters[[note]]A regular, intentional victim, not an AssholeVictim.[[/note]] (who are poorly written) in general can become unintentionally unsympathetic just as much as villain characters. This is especially the case if they act like a major {{Jerkass}} or SpoiledBrat the entire time but the narrative tries to paint them as a "poor little sweetheart". Also, the audience may find it hard to sympathize with a character who is TooDumbToLive or grabs an IdiotBall and decides to [[DoNotTauntCthulhu taunt Cthulhu]] or [[BullyingADragon bully a dragon]] (especially if the said monster was just minding its own business and wouldn't have done anything had the victim minded their own business). Furthermore, audiences will not likely sympathize with a character who acts like TheLoad, TheMillstone, DamselInDistress, DistressedDude, DesignatedVictim, or the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom if they make life ''needlessly'' harder for the other characters while being painted as "victims" or "innocent" bystanders by the narrative. The audience might see them as a DamselScrappy instead.

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In fact, victim characters[[note]]A regular, intentional victim, not an AssholeVictim.[[/note]] (who are poorly written) in general can become unintentionally unsympathetic just as much as villain characters. This is especially the case if they act like a major {{Jerkass}} or SpoiledBrat the entire time but the narrative tries to paint them as a "poor little sweetheart". Also, the audience may find it hard to sympathize with a character who is TooDumbToLive or grabs an IdiotBall and decides to [[DoNotTauntCthulhu taunt Cthulhu]] or [[BullyingADragon bully a dragon]] (especially if the said monster was just minding its own business and wouldn't have done anything had the victim minded their own business). Furthermore, audiences will not likely sympathize with a character who acts like TheLoad, TheMillstone, DamselInDistress, DistressedDude, DesignatedVictim, or the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom if they make life ''needlessly'' harder for the other characters while being painted as "victims" or "innocent" bystanders by the narrative. The audience might see them as a DamselScrappy instead.
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As per the YMMV.RWBY discussion page back in 2021, this entry was removed from there for not being an example. The issue was the intentionality of disliking Rhodes' actions. The man was a regular patron of an openly racist hotel, only intervened when the abuse victim personally inconvenienced him (stole his sword to commit murder) and took a deeply problematic course of action. He is objectively troped as To Be Lawful Or Good (lawful instead of good) and an Unwitting Instigator Of Doom for transforming Cinder into The Heavy. Word Of God later confirmed that Rhodes was deliberately supposed to be regarded as making problematic decisions that would help Cinder become the villain she now is. So, he doesn't meet the "unintentional" requirement. I've crosswicked the other UU entries from the YMMV page.


** Rhodes from Cinder's flashback in Volume 8 is supposed to be a well-intentioned, if not heroic GoodSamaritan who took it upon himself to train young Cinder to be a huntress so she could escape her slavery at the hands of her guardian, only to turn on her when she kills said guardian and her adopted sisters. However, [[TooDumbToLive it seems extremely irresponsible and reckless of him]] to train a girl he knew - at least originally - had murderous intentions, and this is compounded when he doesn't try to calm Cinder down when he finds her standing over the corpses of her [[AssholeVictim tormentors]]. FridgeLogic makes him seem downright amoral, too, because he'd found a ten year-old who was enslaved and [[ElectricTorture physically tortured]] by her guardians, but [[SocialServicesDoesNotExist did not think to contact the police or social services]]. Even if Cinder's treatment was somehow legal in Atlas (despite the kingdoms generally being portrayed as having western-like human rights laws, at least on paper), [[JustEatGilligan he could have easily taken her away to a better family or orphanage]] instead of making her put up with seven years of hell while he trained her, making his death seem almost as much his fault as Cinder's.

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** Rhodes from Cinder's flashback During Volume 4, when Blake ran away to return to Menagerie, Sun was discovered to have followed after her. Following a fight against the Sea Feilong, Blake slaps Sun across the face. At other moments throughout their time at Menagerie, Blake continues yelling at Sun and upon accidentally interrupting a moment between her and Ghira, she slaps Sun numerous times and when he tries showing her a picture on his Scroll of a White Fang member, she throws it into the trees. Even upon waking up after being stabbed by Ilia, Blake yells at him. While her yelling was most likely intended to be AngerBornOfWorry, fans felt she came off as rude and unconcerned about Sun possibly dying. It was pointed out how Blake acted like an abuser, with [[WordofGod Arryn]] saying that [[FreudianExcuse abuse victims can act like their abusers]]. Although Sun eventually calls out Blake for her selfish behaviour, some fans don't feel it's enough; they view Blake as an unlikeable character who is as abusive as Adam and undeserving of either Sun or Yang.
** At the beginning of Volume 8, Yang's argument about how to deal with Atlas and Mantle's plight leaves many fans finding it hard to side with her due to actions she took
in Volume 8 is supposed to be a well-intentioned, if not heroic GoodSamaritan who took it upon himself to train young Cinder to be a huntress so 7. [[spoiler:When Yang questions Ruby's leadership abilities, she could escape her slavery at the hands of her guardian, only insists on saving Mantle while Ruby opts for completing Amity Tower to turn on her when she kills said guardian and her adopted sisters. However, [[TooDumbToLive it seems extremely irresponsible and reckless of him]] warn Remnant about Salem. While both plans are carried out, fans struggled to train a girl he knew - at least originally - had murderous intentions, and this is compounded when he doesn't try to calm Cinder down when he finds her standing over the corpses of her [[AssholeVictim tormentors]]. FridgeLogic makes him seem downright amoral, too, sympathize with Yang because he'd found a ten year-old who her and Blake's decision to leak the Amity information to Robyn contributed to Ironwood turning on the heroes; this was enslaved and [[ElectricTorture physically tortured]] by her guardians, but [[SocialServicesDoesNotExist did not think to contact the police or social services]]. Even if Cinder's treatment was somehow legal in Atlas (despite the kingdoms generally being portrayed as having western-like human rights laws, at least on paper), [[JustEatGilligan he could have easily taken her away to a better family or orphanage]] instead of done without Ruby's consent, making her put up with seven years of hell while he trained her, making his death Yang seem almost as much his fault as Cinder's.like she's [[NeverMyFault deflecting blame]] onto Ruby.]]
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In fact, victim characters in general can become unintentionally unsympathetic just as much as villain characters. This is especially the case if they act like a major {{Jerkass}} or SpoiledBrat the entire time but the narrative tries to paint them as a "poor little sweetheart". Also, the audience may find it hard to sympathize with a character who is TooDumbToLive or grabs an IdiotBall and decides to [[DoNotTauntCthulhu taunt Cthulhu]] or [[BullyingADragon bully a dragon]] (especially if the said monster was just minding its own business and wouldn't have done anything had the victim minded their own business). Furthermore, audiences will not likely sympathize with a character who acts like TheLoad, TheMillstone, DamselInDistress, DistressedDude, DesignatedVictim, or the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom if they make life ''needlessly'' harder for the other characters while being painted as "victims" or "innocent" bystanders by the narrative. The audience might see them as a DamselScrappy instead.

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In fact, victim characters characters[[note]]A regular, intentional victim, not an AssholeVictim.[[/note]] (who are poorly written) in general can become unintentionally unsympathetic just as much as villain characters. This is especially the case if they act like a major {{Jerkass}} or SpoiledBrat the entire time but the narrative tries to paint them as a "poor little sweetheart". Also, the audience may find it hard to sympathize with a character who is TooDumbToLive or grabs an IdiotBall and decides to [[DoNotTauntCthulhu taunt Cthulhu]] or [[BullyingADragon bully a dragon]] (especially if the said monster was just minding its own business and wouldn't have done anything had the victim minded their own business). Furthermore, audiences will not likely sympathize with a character who acts like TheLoad, TheMillstone, DamselInDistress, DistressedDude, DesignatedVictim, or the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom if they make life ''needlessly'' harder for the other characters while being painted as "victims" or "innocent" bystanders by the narrative. The audience might see them as a DamselScrappy instead.
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* Calvin's parents in ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'' are this. ParentsAsPeople is in full effect here (perhaps a [[GoneHorriblyRight little too much so]]), and Calvin is a BrattyHalfPint, but his own parents were hardly ever seen interacting with him in a loving way or trying to understand him, even though many 21st century readers see Calvin as having, at the very least, an AmbiguousDisorder. There are also several strips where they act like they downright hate or neglect Calvin and consider themselves martyrs for having to put up with him, like when his mother threw Calvin out hours before the school bus arrives so she can get a morning free, or when his father said he'd would rather have raised a dog and considered throwing Calvin into the alligator pit at the zoo. Some strips have them guilt-trip Calvin for giving him food, clothing and shelter -- things they're ''legally obligated'' to provide him with as his parents, making it look like a textbook case of [[WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency expecting praise just for doing what they're supposed to be doing]], an attitude [[DoubleStandard the strip unambiguously condemns whenever Calvin expresses it]]. There are ''some'' tender moments between Calvin and his parents, but they are few and far between. It would get so bad that Bill Watterson had to address it in a commentary, where he expressed regret that Calvin's parents were mostly seen when they were in a bad mood, but Watterson has also claimed that "they did better than [he] would've" with regards to Calvin. Which tells you a lot...

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* Calvin's parents in ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'' are this. ParentsAsPeople is in full effect here (perhaps a [[GoneHorriblyRight little too much so]]), and Calvin is a BrattyHalfPint, but his own parents were hardly ever seen interacting with him in a loving way or trying to understand him, even though many 21st century readers see Calvin as having, at the very least, an AmbiguousDisorder.undiagnosed disorder. There are also several strips where they act like they downright hate or neglect Calvin and consider themselves martyrs for having to put up with him, like when his mother threw Calvin out hours before the school bus arrives so she can get a morning free, or when his father said he'd would rather have raised a dog and considered throwing Calvin into the alligator pit at the zoo. Some strips have them guilt-trip Calvin for giving him food, clothing and shelter -- things they're ''legally obligated'' to provide him with as his parents, making it look like a textbook case of [[WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency expecting praise just for doing what they're supposed to be doing]], an attitude [[DoubleStandard the strip unambiguously condemns whenever Calvin expresses it]]. There are ''some'' tender moments between Calvin and his parents, but they are few and far between. It would get so bad that Bill Watterson had to address it in a commentary, where he expressed regret that Calvin's parents were mostly seen when they were in a bad mood, but Watterson has also claimed that "they did better than [he] would've" with regards to Calvin. Which tells you a lot...
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* [[VideoGame/FridayNightFunkin The Girlfriend]] in ''WebAnimation/FridayNightFunkinWithLyrics'' is horrified when she learns that the Boyfriend was planning to get her demonic father exercized. The issue is that the Boyfriend wanted to do this because her father was making repeated attempts on his life, something she knows full well. What's more, by the time she finds this out, she met three of her parents' victims, [[AndIMustScream the Spirit]], [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Whitty]], and [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled Garcello]], people whose lives were ruined thanks to her family, and the first one was her ex. Father or not, there's no excuse for her to see Boyfriend in the wrong. It gets worse when you remember she callously covered up the Spirit's fate and is implied to be after the Boyfriend's soul.

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* [[VideoGame/FridayNightFunkin The Girlfriend]] in ''WebAnimation/FridayNightFunkinWithLyrics'' is horrified when she learns that the Boyfriend was planning to get her demonic father exercized.exorcized. The issue is that the Boyfriend wanted to do this because her father was making repeated attempts on his life, something she knows full well. What's more, by the time she finds this out, she met three of her parents' victims, [[AndIMustScream the Spirit]], [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Whitty]], and [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled Garcello]], people whose lives were ruined thanks to her family, and the first one was her ex. Father or not, there's no excuse for her to see Boyfriend in the wrong. It gets worse when you remember she callously covered up the Spirit's fate and is implied to be after the Boyfriend's soul.
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In fact, victim characters in general can become unintentionally unsympathetic just as much as villain characters. This is especially the case if they act like a major {{Jerkass}} the entire time but the narrative tries to paint them as a "poor little sweetheart". Also, the audience may find it hard to sympathize with a character who is TooDumbToLive or grabs an IdiotBall and decides to [[DoNotTauntCthulhu taunt Cthulhu]] or [[BullyingADragon bully a dragon]] (especially if the said monster was just minding its own business and wouldn't have done anything had the victim minded their own business). Furthermore, audiences will not likely sympathize with a character who acts like TheLoad, TheMillstone, DamselInDistress, DistressedDude, DesignatedVictim, or the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom if they make life ''needlessly'' harder for the other characters while being painted as "victims" or "innocent" bystanders by the narrative. The audience might see them as a DamselScrappy instead.

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In fact, victim characters in general can become unintentionally unsympathetic just as much as villain characters. This is especially the case if they act like a major {{Jerkass}} or SpoiledBrat the entire time but the narrative tries to paint them as a "poor little sweetheart". Also, the audience may find it hard to sympathize with a character who is TooDumbToLive or grabs an IdiotBall and decides to [[DoNotTauntCthulhu taunt Cthulhu]] or [[BullyingADragon bully a dragon]] (especially if the said monster was just minding its own business and wouldn't have done anything had the victim minded their own business). Furthermore, audiences will not likely sympathize with a character who acts like TheLoad, TheMillstone, DamselInDistress, DistressedDude, DesignatedVictim, or the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom if they make life ''needlessly'' harder for the other characters while being painted as "victims" or "innocent" bystanders by the narrative. The audience might see them as a DamselScrappy instead.
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* ''WebAnimation/HelluvaBoss'': Loona. She beats up her adoptive dad despite him never once raising a hand towards her, rescued her from an OrphanageOfFear and completely dotes on her. She snaps at the slightest bit of criticism and treats her coworkers like crap, and it’s meant to be played off as humorous and endearing.
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In fact, victim characters in general can become unintentionally sympathetic just as much as villain characters. This is especially the case if they act like a major {{Jerkass}} the entire time but the narrative tries to paint them as a "poor little sweetheart". Also, the audience may find it hard to sympathize with a character who is TooDumbToLive or grabs an IdiotBall and decides to [[DoNotTauntCthulhu taunt Cthulhu]] or [[BullyingADragon bully a dragon]] (especially if the said monster was just minding its own business and wouldn't have done anything had the victim minded their own business). Furthermore, audiences will not likely sympathize with a character who acts like TheLoad, TheMillstone, DamselInDistress, DistressedDude, DesignatedVictim, or the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom if they make life ''needlessly'' harder for the other characters while being painted as "victims" or "innocent" bystanders by the narrative. The audience might see them as a DamselScrappy instead.

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In fact, victim characters in general can become unintentionally sympathetic unsympathetic just as much as villain characters. This is especially the case if they act like a major {{Jerkass}} the entire time but the narrative tries to paint them as a "poor little sweetheart". Also, the audience may find it hard to sympathize with a character who is TooDumbToLive or grabs an IdiotBall and decides to [[DoNotTauntCthulhu taunt Cthulhu]] or [[BullyingADragon bully a dragon]] (especially if the said monster was just minding its own business and wouldn't have done anything had the victim minded their own business). Furthermore, audiences will not likely sympathize with a character who acts like TheLoad, TheMillstone, DamselInDistress, DistressedDude, DesignatedVictim, or the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom if they make life ''needlessly'' harder for the other characters while being painted as "victims" or "innocent" bystanders by the narrative. The audience might see them as a DamselScrappy instead.
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In fact, victim characters in general can become unintentionally sympathetic just as much as villain characters. This is especially the case if they act like a major {{Jerkass}} the entire time but the narrative tries to paint them as a "poor little sweetheart". Also, the audience may find it hard to sympathize with a character who is TooDumbToLive or grabs an IdiotBall and decides to [[DoNotTauntCthulhu taunt Cthulhu]] or [[BullyingADragon bully a dragon]] (especially if the said monster was just minding its own business and wouldn't' have done anything had the victim minded their own business). Furthermore, audiences will not likely sympathize with a character who acts like TheLoad, TheMillstone, DamselInDistress, DistressedDude, DesignatedVictim, or the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom if they make life ''needlessly'' harder for the other characters while being painted as "victims" or "innocent" bystanders by the narrative. The audience might see them as a DamselScrappy instead.

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In fact, victim characters in general can become unintentionally sympathetic just as much as villain characters. This is especially the case if they act like a major {{Jerkass}} the entire time but the narrative tries to paint them as a "poor little sweetheart". Also, the audience may find it hard to sympathize with a character who is TooDumbToLive or grabs an IdiotBall and decides to [[DoNotTauntCthulhu taunt Cthulhu]] or [[BullyingADragon bully a dragon]] (especially if the said monster was just minding its own business and wouldn't' wouldn't have done anything had the victim minded their own business). Furthermore, audiences will not likely sympathize with a character who acts like TheLoad, TheMillstone, DamselInDistress, DistressedDude, DesignatedVictim, or the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom if they make life ''needlessly'' harder for the other characters while being painted as "victims" or "innocent" bystanders by the narrative. The audience might see them as a DamselScrappy instead.

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Often a problem with TheScrappy, the DesignatedHero, or a badly done JerkassWoobie. Even a regular [[TheWoobie Woobie]] character can fall victim to this if they are [[{{Wangst}} overly whiny]] or [[DramaQueen overly dramatic]] (essentially acting more like a SpoiledBrat throwing a temper tantrum than a ''real'' victim you can actually sympathize with). Can also overlap with a DamselScrappy.

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Often a problem with TheScrappy, the DesignatedHero, or a badly done JerkassWoobie. Even a regular [[TheWoobie Woobie]] character can fall victim to this if they are [[{{Wangst}} overly whiny]] or [[DramaQueen overly dramatic]] (essentially acting more like a SpoiledBrat throwing a temper tantrum than a ''real'' victim you can actually sympathize with). Can also overlap with).

In fact, victim characters in general can become unintentionally sympathetic just as much as villain characters. This is especially the case if they act like a major {{Jerkass}} the entire time but the narrative tries to paint them as a "poor little sweetheart". Also, the audience may find it hard to sympathize
with a DamselScrappy.
character who is TooDumbToLive or grabs an IdiotBall and decides to [[DoNotTauntCthulhu taunt Cthulhu]] or [[BullyingADragon bully a dragon]] (especially if the said monster was just minding its own business and wouldn't' have done anything had the victim minded their own business). Furthermore, audiences will not likely sympathize with a character who acts like TheLoad, TheMillstone, DamselInDistress, DistressedDude, DesignatedVictim, or the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom if they make life ''needlessly'' harder for the other characters while being painted as "victims" or "innocent" bystanders by the narrative. The audience might see them as a DamselScrappy instead.
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* joshscorcher's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3dUqlI5Ba4 Top Ten Hated Characters We're Supposed To Like]] has ten characters that the uploader hates even though they were supposed to be liked, plus several honorable examples, some of which can be found on the Video Games page for this trope. It also discusses the trope, saying that many great villains have no sympathetic qualities whatsoever, but these are characters that did not come off as likeable as the creators intended.

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* joshscorcher's Creator/JoshScorcher's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3dUqlI5Ba4 Top Ten Hated Characters We're Supposed To Like]] has ten characters that the uploader hates even though they were supposed to be liked, plus several honorable examples, some of which can be found on the Video Games page for this trope. It also discusses the trope, saying that many great villains have no sympathetic qualities whatsoever, but these are characters that did not come off as likeable as the creators intended.

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* ''WebOriginal/HistoryOfPowerRangers'': While also providing the page quote, Linkara also has an inverse view of mutantkind and Time Force compared with some of the fandom he was given. He thought that despite Ransik's sympathetic origin, his consistant evil and ingratitude justifies everyone's fears about him. And conversely, there isn't enough provided material in the show to fully have sympathetic mutants, as only 1 mutant ever had more sympathetic reasons for being in the cryo-prison, and there were even 2 examples of mutants who were given more privileges, and they betrayed society's trust.


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* ''WebVideo/HistoryOfPowerRangers'': While also providing the page quote, Linkara also has an inverse view of mutantkind and Time Force compared with some of the fandom he was given. He thought that despite Ransik's sympathetic origin, his consistant evil and ingratitude justifies everyone's fears about him. And conversely, there isn't enough provided material in the show to fully have sympathetic mutants, as only 1 mutant ever had more sympathetic reasons for being in the cryo-prison, and there were even 2 examples of mutants who were given more privileges, and they betrayed society's trust.
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** ''UnintentionallyUnsympathetic/TrueBlood''
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* ''WebOriginal/HistoryOfPowerRangers'': While also providing the page quote, Linkara also has an inverse view of mutantkind and Time Force compared with some of the fandom he was given. He thought that despite Ransik's sympathetic origin, his consistant evil and ingratitude justifies everyone's fears about him. And conversely, there isn't enough provided material in the show to fully have sympathetic mutants, as only 1 mutant ever had more sympathetic reasons for being in the cryo-prison, and there were even 2 examples of mutants who were given more privileges, and they betrayed society's trust.
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* ''Webcomic/ItsNotYourFault'': Despite however how much the author tries to play off Sam's [[spoiler:rape of Lincoln as a moment of weakness brought about a bad sequence of events, Sam is still guilty of taking advantage of and forcing herself on a 12-year old boy against his will, traumatizing him for life. Even worse, instead of his family rightfully getting her arrested and the fetus aborted for forced conception, they apparently decided to raise Lina in secret and shun Luna from the family, practically keeping Lina in the dark that she ever existed. All the while, Lincoln is forced to take care of a child he didn't want. [[SarcasmMode But hey, it's still alright because she felt ''really'' bad about it after the act and failed to take any contraceptives.]]]]
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* Gnarly Pop Production's ''Life Love And Lady Wrestling'' decided to have Wrestling/MercedesMartinez defend the Wrestling/{{SHIMMER}} Championship belt as a {{heel}}, given Martinez was a heel in SHIMMER. The problem? Her challenger was Jessicka Havok, who is [[NominalHero hard enough]] to a make a baby {{face}} as is, but was most famous for a program with Martinez in Wrestling/{{WSU}}, where Havok made racists remarks about people like Martinez, beat Martinez into hospitalization, disrespected an area of worship associated with Martinez's religion and got Brittney Savage to [[EvenEvilHasStandards forfeit a match]] by threatening to kill Martinez with a machete. Despite having an extra segment early in the show to establish Martinez has a heel, to try and get as much sympathy for Havok as possible. Despite Martinez working in one of the most crowd unpleasing manners she ever had, the most vocal parts of the crowd still wound up cheering for Martinez whenever she connect with any remotely effective offense or when Havok seemed close to winning.

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* Gnarly Pop Production's ''Life Love And Lady Wrestling'' decided to have Wrestling/MercedesMartinez defend the Wrestling/{{SHIMMER}} Championship belt as a {{heel}}, given Martinez was a heel in SHIMMER. The problem? Her challenger was Jessicka Havok, who is [[NominalHero hard enough]] to a make a baby {{face}} as is, but was most famous for a program with Martinez in Wrestling/{{WSU}}, where Havok made racists remarks about people like Martinez, beat Martinez into hospitalization, disrespected an area of worship associated with Martinez's religion and got Brittney Savage to [[EvenEvilHasStandards forfeit a match]] by threatening to kill Martinez with a machete. Despite having an extra segment early in the show to establish Martinez has a heel, to try and get as much sympathy for Havok as possible. Despite Martinez working in one of the most crowd unpleasing manners she ever had, the most vocal parts of the crowd still wound up cheering for Martinez whenever she connect with any remotely effective offense or when Havok seemed close to winning.
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It's an ''especially'' easy trap to fall into for villains: sometimes, a villain is meant to be seen as a more morally gray or a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but their FreudianExcuse just doesn't cover the acts they go on to commit. For example, if the heroes bought the villain’s narrative that their little sister died in that [[ConvenientlyEmptyBuilding building a superhero battle knocked over]], thus somehow causing them to try to [[EarthShatteringKaboom blow up the hero's entire planet]], that would make them unsympathetic to the audience, despite the narrative claiming the villain as such. (However, if the [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse heroes throw that excuse back at the villain]] and treat them as a selfish monster, they are not ''unintentionally'' unsympathetic.)

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It's an ''especially'' easy trap to fall into for villains: sometimes, a villain is meant to be seen as a more an AntiVillain, morally gray gray, or a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but their FreudianExcuse just doesn't cover the acts they go on to commit. For example, if the heroes bought the villain’s narrative that their little sister died in that [[ConvenientlyEmptyBuilding building a superhero battle knocked over]], thus somehow causing them to try to [[EarthShatteringKaboom blow up the hero's entire planet]], that would make them unsympathetic to the audience, despite the narrative claiming the villain as such. (However, if the [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse heroes throw that excuse back at the villain]] and treat them as a selfish monster, they are not ''unintentionally'' unsympathetic.)
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This can involve the baddie being a failed attempt at a more morally grey character.


It's an ''especially'' easy trap to fall into for villains: sometimes, a villain is meant to be seen as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but their FreudianExcuse just doesn't cover the acts they go on to commit. For example, if the heroes bought the villain’s narrative that their little sister died in that [[ConvenientlyEmptyBuilding building a superhero battle knocked over]], thus somehow causing them to try to [[EarthShatteringKaboom blow up the hero's entire planet]], that would make them unsympathetic to the audience, despite the narrative claiming the villain as such. (However, if the [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse heroes throw that excuse back at the villain]] and treat them as a selfish monster, they are not ''unintentionally'' unsympathetic.)

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It's an ''especially'' easy trap to fall into for villains: sometimes, a villain is meant to be seen as a more morally gray or a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but their FreudianExcuse just doesn't cover the acts they go on to commit. For example, if the heroes bought the villain’s narrative that their little sister died in that [[ConvenientlyEmptyBuilding building a superhero battle knocked over]], thus somehow causing them to try to [[EarthShatteringKaboom blow up the hero's entire planet]], that would make them unsympathetic to the audience, despite the narrative claiming the villain as such. (However, if the [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse heroes throw that excuse back at the villain]] and treat them as a selfish monster, they are not ''unintentionally'' unsympathetic.)
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It's an ''especially'' easy trap to fall into for villains: sometimes, a villain is meant to be seen as more morally gray, but their FreudianExcuse just doesn't cover the acts they go on to commit. For example, if the heroes bought the villain’s narrative that their little sister died in that [[ConvenientlyEmptyBuilding building a superhero battle knocked over]], thus somehow causing them to try to [[EarthShatteringKaboom blow up the hero's entire planet]], that would make them unsympathetic to the audience, despite the narrative claiming the villain as such. However, if the [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse heroes throw that excuse back at the villain]], they are not ''unintentionally'' unsympathetic.

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It's an ''especially'' easy trap to fall into for villains: sometimes, a villain is meant to be seen as more morally gray, a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but their FreudianExcuse just doesn't cover the acts they go on to commit. For example, if the heroes bought the villain’s narrative that their little sister died in that [[ConvenientlyEmptyBuilding building a superhero battle knocked over]], thus somehow causing them to try to [[EarthShatteringKaboom blow up the hero's entire planet]], that would make them unsympathetic to the audience, despite the narrative claiming the villain as such. However, (However, if the [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse heroes throw that excuse back at the villain]], villain]] and treat them as a selfish monster, they are not ''unintentionally'' unsympathetic.
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* ''Webcomic/PennyAndAggie'': Aggie often falls into this. Being a SoapboxSadie in high school is understandable, but she judges Penny by appearance, attempts to subject Lisa to SlutShaming when she learns the latter is bisexual, and confesses to Marshall during "Suicide Run", knowing that he's currently happy with Karen (even with NoAccountingForTaste being taken into account) and despite the fact that he's dealt with people who were friends with him in hopes of getting with him. She deliberately uses Darren (in a way doing to him what Robespierre cruelly did to Helen in Omega Sisters), then ruins the play she and her friends worked hard on when she learns she won't be able to hook up with him even though she didn't even like him. She later gets upset after seeing Penny happy after having rough sex with her. While wanting peace and stability in a relationship is understandable, her immaturity in regards to expecting her partner to be a "Shangri-La" of some sort was heavily derided as stupid and selfish by much of the fanbase.
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* ''Webcomic/JackDavidHopkins'': Central is always the first character to whip out the "Oh no, we can't help the people in Hell because of RULES" mantra, yet ''every single time'' progress has been made in helping individual souls leave Hell, it's ''because'' an angel or Jack has taken the initiative to break the rules. This makes her seem at best an InspectorJavert-type more concerned with the letter of the law than helping people and at worst someone who is remaining willfully blind on how to solve some very big problems. This was finally [[http://jackrabbit.thecomicseries.com/comics/1923#content-start lampshaded]] [[http://jackrabbit.thecomicseries.com/comics/1924#content-start in ''Megan's Run Part 2'']] when [[http://jackrabbit.thecomicseries.com/comics/1925#content-start Arty and Vinci]] [[CallingTheOldManOut call her]] [[WhatTheHellHero out]] for being more concerned over her precious rules than helping a soul who literally went through Hell to find angels. The fact the ultimate result of this is that Megan gets to see God like she wanted to and Central would have directly prevented that from happening makes her seem willing to break before she'll bend.
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Baleful Polymorph was renamed per TRS


* The entire MageSpecies of ''TabletopGame/WitchGirlsAdventures'', partially courtesy of some really badly handled BlackComedy and transformation-based fetishes, mostly because the game literally portrays Witches as selfish, cruel {{Reality Warper}}s who are outright ''encouraged'' to bully {{muggle}}s so long as they don't break the very few rules their society places on them. When the "heroes" of the setting do things like [[BalefulPolymorph turn people into food and drink to consume them]] because it's ''more convenient'' than getting normal food, or [[AndIMustScream turn people into sapient but immobile clothes, jewelry or other objects]], or even straight-up ''disintegrate them'' just for laughs... well, the Malleus Maleficarum's viewpoint that you need a FinalSolution to protect humanity from them looks like a perfectly sane response.

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* The entire MageSpecies of ''TabletopGame/WitchGirlsAdventures'', partially courtesy of some really badly handled BlackComedy and transformation-based fetishes, mostly because the game literally portrays Witches as selfish, cruel {{Reality Warper}}s who are outright ''encouraged'' to bully {{muggle}}s so long as they don't break the very few rules their society places on them. When the "heroes" of the setting do things like [[BalefulPolymorph [[ForcedTransformation turn people into food and drink to consume them]] because it's ''more convenient'' than getting normal food, or [[AndIMustScream turn people into sapient but immobile clothes, jewelry or other objects]], or even straight-up ''disintegrate them'' just for laughs... well, the Malleus Maleficarum's viewpoint that you need a FinalSolution to protect humanity from them looks like a perfectly sane response.
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** ''UnintentionallyUnsympathetic/TheLoudHouse''
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* A number of characters in ''Roleplay/DinoAttackRPG'':
** Rotor was introduced by Atton Rand in an attempt to undo his earlier {{Demonization}} of realists with a sympathetic realist character. At first, Rotor wasn't so bad. Even when he made it clear that he was willing to exploit Kate Bishop as a means to getting to Wallace Bishop, who seemed to be the most dangerous enemy on the island at the time, it was an understandably realist outlook on being willing to do what must be done. And then, he's scolding his T-1 Typhoon crew for not being willing to do what must be done; okay, fair enough, Greybeard's done it before... wait a second, is he ordering his own men to be ''executed by firing squad'' by means of KangarooCourt? And now he's torturing prisoners, with a heavy dose of subtext that he doesn't even believe that they have the info he seeks; he might just be doing it ForTheEvulz? We're supposed to ''like'' this guy? He's no better than any of the previous realists Atton Rand introduced! Fortunately, Rotor finally regained some sympathy when he started to clean up his act. That, and the fact that the two following Unintentionally Unsympathetic characters were introduced and made ''him'' look sympathetic in comparison...
** Atton Rand had, to a certain extent, intended Trigger to be a sort of SpiritualSuccessor to Dust, inspired by his popularity to attempt to write an anti-hero of his own. Unfortunately he had the opposite reception which Atton had intended. He did attempt to salvage some dignity by at least giving Trigger a memorable [[spoiler:death scene]], but whether that succeeded is debatable.
** Snake is a similar deal, as like his namesake he was intended to be likeable despite being an uncaring anti-hero. This backfired horrendously, especially when he was meant to look honorable in comparison to Plastic Serpent, who, to add insult to injury, became UnintentionallySympathetic instead.
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Up To Eleven is a defunct trope


Taken UpToEleven in "[[Franchise/{{Shrek}} Shrek's]] Coma", wherein the audience is supposed to feel bad for Rosalina when Mario kicks her out of the house for finding Shrek's new body attractive and think that Mario is overreacting. While something similar did happen in "Jeffy's Parents", that was more justified as Mario and Rosalina both knew what kind of monster [[spoiler:Nancy]] was, [[WhatTheHellHero so it made sense why she'd be pissed at him in that video]]. However, considering Rosalina has ALWAYS put both herself and Jeffy before Mario's needs, has gotten him into trouble many times, and in general been a gigantic Jerkass, this makes Mario's break up with her more satisfying than heartbreaking, and it also makes her look like a hypocrite (So Mario looking at porn in "Jeffy's New Toy" is cheating according to Rosalina, but admiring other guys right next to the guy your dating isn't?) But no, in the end, Mario has to apologize to a woman who has almost never done anything nice for him in return.

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Taken UpToEleven in "[[Franchise/{{Shrek}} Shrek's]] In "Franchise/{{Shrek}}'s Coma", wherein the audience is supposed to feel bad for Rosalina when Mario kicks her out of the house for finding Shrek's new body attractive and think that Mario is overreacting. While something similar did happen in "Jeffy's Parents", that was more justified as Mario and Rosalina both knew what kind of monster [[spoiler:Nancy]] was, [[WhatTheHellHero so it made sense why she'd be pissed at him in that video]]. However, considering Rosalina has ALWAYS put both herself and Jeffy before Mario's needs, has gotten him into trouble many times, and in general been a gigantic Jerkass, this makes Mario's break up with her more satisfying than heartbreaking, and it also makes her look like a hypocrite (So Mario looking at porn in "Jeffy's New Toy" is cheating according to Rosalina, but admiring other guys right next to the guy your dating isn't?) But no, in the end, Mario has to apologize to a woman who has almost never done anything nice for him in return.
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* In ''Webcomic/NineteenNinetySomething'', Joel is supposed to be viewed as a misunderstood victim of oppression and uses sarcasm to cope with being emotionally beaten down all the time. The problem, however, is the fact that Joel doesn't come off as any better than those who oppress him; he always has a smug or cynical comment to say about everything regardless of whether it was appropriate to do so, constantly dismisses other people's opinions (which is pretty hypocritical since he hates it when people dismiss his own opinions), is incredibly impulsive, and generally acts rude to other people even if they did nothing to provoke it. All-in-all, a ''lot'' of readers feel that Joel is just as much of a jerk who brings most of his misery on himself.
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Hollywood Nerd is now a disambiguation. Zero Context Examples will be removed


Just like with CursedWithAwesome, it can be hard to dredge up sad feelings for a character whose life is in every respect more glamorous (or at very least, more interesting) than the audience members'. True unintentional unsympathy is generally reserved for [[AcceptableTargets unpopular traits]] like being overweight or a nerd, both of which tend to be grossly exaggerated on television (see HollywoodPudgy and HollywoodNerd) and usually have nothing to do with anyone who might have such problems.

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Just like with CursedWithAwesome, it can be hard to dredge up sad feelings for a character whose life is in every respect more glamorous (or at very least, more interesting) than the audience members'. True unintentional unsympathy is generally reserved for [[AcceptableTargets unpopular traits]] like being overweight or a nerd, both of which tend to be grossly exaggerated on television (see HollywoodPudgy and HollywoodNerd) HollywoodPudgy) and usually have nothing to do with anyone who might have such problems.
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** ''UnintentionallyUnsympathetic/Danganronpa''

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** ''UnintentionallyUnsympathetic/Danganronpa''

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