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** Althalus himself bears many similarities to both Silk and Belgarath from ''Literature/TheBelgariad''.
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* InformedAttribute / OffstageVillainy: Despite the numerous comments made by Dweia, as well as Argan and Koman, suggesting that the depths of Yakhag's evil is too horrible to discuss, and Gelta's obvious terror of him, the most villainous thing he's portrayed or discussed doing is killing a relatively minor character in a fairly straightforward manner.
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* NegativeContinuity: With Dweia appearance. The first time she was described as otherworldly beautiful, a level of perfection that left all the heroes speechless and was obviously beyond mortal ken. All her other encounters with mortals (Arums mostly), her beauty is unremarked by anybody or treated as any other woman in her real form. This is never explained in anyway.
* NegativeContinuity: With Dweia appearance. The first time she was described as otherworldly beautiful, a level of perfection that left all the heroes speechless and was obviously beyond mortal ken. All her other encounters with mortals (Arums mostly), her beauty is unremarked by anybody or treated as any other woman in her real form. This is never explained in anyway.
* OffstageVillainy: Despite the numerous comments made by Dweia, as well as Argan and Koman, suggesting that the depths of Yakhag's evil is too horrible to discuss, and Gelta's obvious terror of him, the most villainous thing he's portrayed or discussed doing is killing a relatively minor character in a fairly straightforward manner.
* OffstageVillainy: Despite the numerous comments made by Dweia, as well as Argan and Koman, suggesting that the depths of Yakhag's evil is too horrible to discuss, and Gelta's obvious terror of him, the most villainous thing he's portrayed or discussed doing is killing a relatively minor character in a fairly straightforward manner.
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* TheGodsMustBeLazy: Deiwos made the universe, but that doesn't mean he gives a damn about maintaining it in any way
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* TheGodsMustBeLazy: Deiwos made the universe, but that doesn't mean he gives a damn about maintaining it in any way
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* VowOfCelibacy: Celibacy is either required or recommended for at least some religious organisations. One village priest deals very badly with it, deciding that the women to whom he is attracted must be using witchcraft on him (since a moral person like himself wouldn't struggle so, otherwise). This results in them getting [[BurnTheWitch burned at the stake]].
** when the main clergy sets up a new order to counter the damage caused by the [[DirtyCommies Red Robes scheme]], they discussed making the Grey Robes take the same VowOfCelibacy as the other orders... but then decided against it, realizing that Dweia (Goddess of Fertility, remember) would Not Be Pleased.
** when the main clergy sets up a new order to counter the damage caused by the [[DirtyCommies Red Robes scheme]], they discussed making the Grey Robes take the same VowOfCelibacy as the other orders... but then decided against it, realizing that Dweia (Goddess of Fertility, remember) would Not Be Pleased.
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* VowOfCelibacy: Celibacy is either required or recommended for at least some religious organisations. One village priest deals very badly with it, deciding that the women to whom he is attracted must be using witchcraft on him (since a moral person like himself wouldn't struggle so, otherwise). This results in them getting [[BurnTheWitch burned at the stake]].
** whenWhen the main clergy sets up a new order to counter the damage caused by the [[DirtyCommies Red Robes scheme]], they discussed making the Grey Robes take the same VowOfCelibacy as the other orders... but then decided against it, realizing that Dweia (Goddess of Fertility, remember) would Not Be Pleased.
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* TragicVillain: Dweia laments at one point that Daevos was not always the villain he currently is. His duty of destroying things that had reached the end of their existence left him painfully lonely, so he reached out to find companionship. Unfortunately those he surrounded himself with were the worst possible influence, and set him on his current path.
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* EmbarrassingStatue: The city of Maghu has a temple to the goddess Dweia, with a statue of her based on (traditional interpretations of) the Greek [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Artemis#Ephesian_Artemis Artemis of Ephesus]]. While Dweia is, as befits the goddess of (among others) fertility and love, the WorldsMostBeautifulWoman, she is most assuredly '''not''' "[[MultiBoobage equipped to suckle hundreds of babies at the same time]]", and she considers the statue a grotesque abomination, and actually prefers to stay as far away from the temple as she can.
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** when the main clergy sets up a new order to counter the damage caused by the [[DirtyCommies Red Robes scheme]], they discussed making the Grey Robes take the same VowOfCelibacy as the other orders... but then decided against it, realizing that Dweia (Goddess of Fertility, remember) would Not Be Pleased.
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* BabiesEverAfter: At the very end of the story, [[spoiler:Dweia reveals to Althalus that [[DivineParentage she's pregnant]]. In this case, it literally is ''ever'' after, since the parents and, presumably, [[SemiDivine the child]] are immortal.]]
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** Justified, as many of the villains are people who weren't recruited for competence, and include a cannibal from the stone-age, a merchant who was caught selling adulterated goods, and a pariah and lumberjack of an ancient stone-age village. They weren't brought on because they were good at anything, but because they had useful qualities and were willing to sell out the entirety of mankind in exchange for a seat at the table.
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* DesignatedLoveInterest: With the exception of Althalus-Emmy, all the romantic unions are handwaved or done off-screen in the span of two paragraphs. The most ludicrous was Andine and Elial, who passed from being obsessed with killing him (he slaughtered her father in blood frenzy) to love him desperately in the span of two weeks, after being chewed once by Althalus and Gher, because he wasn't really at fault but the person who contracted him as a soldier. The rest are not better.
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* FiveManBand
** Heroes:
*** TheHero[=/=]TeamDad: [[GuileHero Althalus]]
*** TheLancer: [[BadassPreacher Bheid]]
*** TheSmartGuy: [[ChildProdigy Gher]]
*** TheBigGuy: [[DumbMuscle Eliar]]
*** TheChick: [[LadyOfWar Andine]] and [[BrokenBird Leitha]]
*** [[BigGood The Big Good]][=/=]TeamMom: [[LoveGoddess Dweia]]
** Villains:
*** BigBad: [[OmnicidalManiac Daeva]]
*** TheDragon: [[PsychopathicManchild Ghend]]
*** EvilGenius: [[SinisterMinister Argan]] and [[ConsummateLiar Khnom]] both fit this description in different ways.
*** TheBrute: Again, [[ImAHumanitarian Pekhal]] and [[BloodKnight Gelta]] both fit this description and work together for the first major conflict in the war.
*** DarkChick: Oddly enough, not Gelta, but [[TheEmpath Koman]], who is the bitch of the other members of the band.
*** SixthRanger: [[EmptyShell Yakhag]] [[spoiler:for all of ten minutes, then Bheid kills him.]]
** Heroes:
*** TheHero[=/=]TeamDad: [[GuileHero Althalus]]
*** TheLancer: [[BadassPreacher Bheid]]
*** TheSmartGuy: [[ChildProdigy Gher]]
*** TheBigGuy: [[DumbMuscle Eliar]]
*** TheChick: [[LadyOfWar Andine]] and [[BrokenBird Leitha]]
*** [[BigGood The Big Good]][=/=]TeamMom: [[LoveGoddess Dweia]]
** Villains:
*** BigBad: [[OmnicidalManiac Daeva]]
*** TheDragon: [[PsychopathicManchild Ghend]]
*** EvilGenius: [[SinisterMinister Argan]] and [[ConsummateLiar Khnom]] both fit this description in different ways.
*** TheBrute: Again, [[ImAHumanitarian Pekhal]] and [[BloodKnight Gelta]] both fit this description and work together for the first major conflict in the war.
*** DarkChick: Oddly enough, not Gelta, but [[TheEmpath Koman]], who is the bitch of the other members of the band.
*** SixthRanger: [[EmptyShell Yakhag]] [[spoiler:for all of ten minutes, then Bheid kills him.]]
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* GoOutWithASmile: Yakhag
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* OmnicidalManiac: Daeva is the god of destruction, and the job he does is important- it's when he decides to destroy ''everything'' that things get out of hand.
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* FiveBadBand
** BigBad: [[OmnicidalManiac Daeva]]
** TheDragon: [[PsychopathicManchild Ghend]]
** EvilGenius: [[SinisterMinister Argan]] and [[ConsummateLiar Khnom]] both fit this description in different ways.
** TheBrute: Again, [[ImAHumanitarian Pekhal]] and [[BloodKnight Gelta]] both fit this description and work together for the first major conflict in the war.
** DarkChick: Oddly enough, not Gelta, but [[TheEmpath Koman]], who is the bitch of the other members of the band.
** SixthRanger: [[EmptyShell Yakhag]] [[spoiler:for all of ten minutes, then Bheid kills him.]]
** BigBad: [[OmnicidalManiac Daeva]]
** TheDragon: [[PsychopathicManchild Ghend]]
** EvilGenius: [[SinisterMinister Argan]] and [[ConsummateLiar Khnom]] both fit this description in different ways.
** TheBrute: Again, [[ImAHumanitarian Pekhal]] and [[BloodKnight Gelta]] both fit this description and work together for the first major conflict in the war.
** DarkChick: Oddly enough, not Gelta, but [[TheEmpath Koman]], who is the bitch of the other members of the band.
** SixthRanger: [[EmptyShell Yakhag]] [[spoiler:for all of ten minutes, then Bheid kills him.]]
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** TheHero[=/=]TeamDad: [[GuileHero Althalus]]
** TheLancer: [[BadassPreacher Bheid]]
** TheSmartGuy: [[ChildProdigy Gher]]
** TheBigGuy: [[DumbMuscle Eliar]]
** TheChick: [[LadyOfWar Andine]] and [[BrokenBird Leitha]]
** [[BigGood The Big Good]][=/=]TeamMom: [[LoveGoddess Dweia]]
** TheLancer: [[BadassPreacher Bheid]]
** TheSmartGuy: [[ChildProdigy Gher]]
** TheBigGuy: [[DumbMuscle Eliar]]
** TheChick: [[LadyOfWar Andine]] and [[BrokenBird Leitha]]
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** Heroes:
*** TheHero[=/=]TeamDad: [[GuileHero Althalus]]
** *** TheLancer: [[BadassPreacher Bheid]]
** *** TheSmartGuy: [[ChildProdigy Gher]]
** *** TheBigGuy: [[DumbMuscle Eliar]]
** *** TheChick: [[LadyOfWar Andine]] and [[BrokenBird Leitha]]
** *** [[BigGood The Big Good]][=/=]TeamMom: [[LoveGoddess Dweia]]Dweia]]
** Villains:
*** BigBad: [[OmnicidalManiac Daeva]]
*** TheDragon: [[PsychopathicManchild Ghend]]
*** EvilGenius: [[SinisterMinister Argan]] and [[ConsummateLiar Khnom]] both fit this description in different ways.
*** TheBrute: Again, [[ImAHumanitarian Pekhal]] and [[BloodKnight Gelta]] both fit this description and work together for the first major conflict in the war.
*** DarkChick: Oddly enough, not Gelta, but [[TheEmpath Koman]], who is the bitch of the other members of the band.
*** SixthRanger: [[EmptyShell Yakhag]] [[spoiler:for all of ten minutes, then Bheid kills him.]]
*** TheHero[=/=]TeamDad: [[GuileHero Althalus]]
** Villains:
*** BigBad: [[OmnicidalManiac Daeva]]
*** TheDragon: [[PsychopathicManchild Ghend]]
*** EvilGenius: [[SinisterMinister Argan]] and [[ConsummateLiar Khnom]] both fit this description in different ways.
*** TheBrute: Again, [[ImAHumanitarian Pekhal]] and [[BloodKnight Gelta]] both fit this description and work together for the first major conflict in the war.
*** DarkChick: Oddly enough, not Gelta, but [[TheEmpath Koman]], who is the bitch of the other members of the band.
*** SixthRanger: [[EmptyShell Yakhag]] [[spoiler:for all of ten minutes, then Bheid kills him.]]
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* Fiction500: Dweia leads Althalus to the location of an enormous storehouse of gold that he uses to hire all the Arum clans as mercenary armies.
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: One of Ghend's plans to destabilise the lowlands is to forment a peasant revolt, by sending out a group of [[DirtyCommies priests in red robes to preach about the opression of the underclass, equality and the redistribution of wealth.]]
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: One of Ghend's plans to destabilise the lowlands is to forment a peasant revolt, by sending out a group of [[DirtyCommies priests in red robes to preach about the opression oppression of the underclass, equality and the redistribution of wealth.]]
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* DesignatedLoveInterest: With the exception of Althalus-Emmy, all the romantic unions are handwaved or done off-screen in the span of two paragraphs. The most ludicrous was Andine and Elial, who passed from being obsessed with killing him (he slaughtered his father in blood frenzy) to love him desperately in the span of two weeks, after being chewed once by Althalus and Gher, because he wasn't really at fault but the person who contracted him as a soldier. The rest are not better.
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* DesignatedLoveInterest: With the exception of Althalus-Emmy, all the romantic unions are handwaved or done off-screen in the span of two paragraphs. The most ludicrous was Andine and Elial, who passed from being obsessed with killing him (he slaughtered his her father in blood frenzy) to love him desperately in the span of two weeks, after being chewed once by Althalus and Gher, because he wasn't really at fault but the person who contracted him as a soldier. The rest are not better.
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* BeautyEqualsGoodness: All the heroes are beautiful, strong, wise or great. All the villains are deformed, ugly, scarred and smell bad. Without exception, if a character is described in negative adjectives, they are minions of Daeva.
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* NegativeContinuity: With Dweia appearance. The first time she was described as otherworldly beautiful, a level of perfection that left all the heroes speechless and was obviously beyond mortal ken. All her other encounters with mortals (Arums mostly), her beauty is unremarked by anybody or treated as any other woman in her real form. This is never explained in anyway.
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* BigBrotherInstinct: Deiwos threatens Althalus with divine retribution if he doesn't treat Dweia right. Althalus gets the IfYouEverDoAnythingToHurtHer speech from God.
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