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* BrokenAesop: The author has stated that two of the major themes of the story are that neither of the Princesses are wholly right or wrong, and that it is the responsibility of an individual to face the consequences of their past actions. But Celestia's actions and supporters come off as typical tyranny while she never get any defense or change to speak in it; she's absent after the first chapter. Meanwhile, Luna's flaws and misdeeds are never presented without an immediate argument in her defense and the reservations about her own beliefs acquired in earlier chapters are tossed aside with ease, noting that Celestia’s methods and philosophies have proven themselves useless. Luna's ancient adviser and confidant Morning Star, introduced as a self-serving manipulator and mastermind of the attempted coup, has been revised as a benevolent reformer whose proposals are recognized as flawless even by those who hear them second-hand and lack any knowledge of the matters involved.
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* TheAtoner: [[spoiler: Celestia is heavily implied to hate herself for everything she's done. Luna is starting to regret her actions as well.]]
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* TheAtoner: [[spoiler: Celestia [[spoiler:Celestia is heavily implied to hate herself for everything she's done. Luna is starting to regret her actions as well.]]
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* BreakTheCutie: Twilight struggles with the idea that her beloved mentor might be a ManipulativeBitch, in no small part because [[spoiler: she'd already uncovered aspects of history that just didn't add up]]. To make matters worse, in Chapter 4 she reveals [[spoiler: Lt. Lightning Strike, one of Braveheart's soldiers, used to be a close friend...]].
* BrokenAesop: The author has stated that two of the major themes of the story are that neither of the Princesses are wholly right or wrong, and that it is the responsibility of an individual to face the consequences of their past actions. But Celestia's actions and supporters come of as typical tyranny while she's never get any defense or change to speak in it; she's absent after the first chapter. Meanwhile Luna's flaws and misdeeds are never presented without an immediate argument in her defense, the reservations about her own beliefs acquired in earlier chapters are tossed aside with ease, noting that Celestia’s methods and philosophies have proven themselves useless. Luan's ancient adviser and confidant Morning Star, introduced as a self-serving manipulator and mastermind of the attempted coup, has been revised as a benevolent reformer whose proposals are recognized as flawless even by those who hear them second-hand and lack any knowledge of the matters involved.
* BrokenAesop: The author has stated that two of the major themes of the story are that neither of the Princesses are wholly right or wrong, and that it is the responsibility of an individual to face the consequences of their past actions. But Celestia's actions and supporters come of as typical tyranny while she's never get any defense or change to speak in it; she's absent after the first chapter. Meanwhile Luna's flaws and misdeeds are never presented without an immediate argument in her defense, the reservations about her own beliefs acquired in earlier chapters are tossed aside with ease, noting that Celestia’s methods and philosophies have proven themselves useless. Luan's ancient adviser and confidant Morning Star, introduced as a self-serving manipulator and mastermind of the attempted coup, has been revised as a benevolent reformer whose proposals are recognized as flawless even by those who hear them second-hand and lack any knowledge of the matters involved.
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* BreakTheCutie: Twilight struggles with the idea that her beloved mentor might be a ManipulativeBitch, in no small part because [[spoiler: she'd already uncovered aspects of history that just didn't add up]]. To make matters worse, in Chapter 4 she reveals [[spoiler: Lt.[[spoiler:Lt. Lightning Strike, one of Braveheart's soldiers, used to be a close friend...]].
* BrokenAesop: The author has stated that two of the major themes of the story are that neither of the Princesses are wholly right or wrong, and that it is the responsibility of an individual to face the consequences of their past actions. But Celestia's actions and supporters comeof off as typical tyranny while she's she never get any defense or change to speak in it; she's absent after the first chapter. Meanwhile Meanwhile, Luna's flaws and misdeeds are never presented without an immediate argument in her defense, defense and the reservations about her own beliefs acquired in earlier chapters are tossed aside with ease, noting that Celestia’s methods and philosophies have proven themselves useless. Luan's Luna's ancient adviser and confidant Morning Star, introduced as a self-serving manipulator and mastermind of the attempted coup, has been revised as a benevolent reformer whose proposals are recognized as flawless even by those who hear them second-hand and lack any knowledge of the matters involved.
* BrokenAesop: The author has stated that two of the major themes of the story are that neither of the Princesses are wholly right or wrong, and that it is the responsibility of an individual to face the consequences of their past actions. But Celestia's actions and supporters come
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* BerserkButton: [[spoiler: Celestia was rather fine with Luna's ideals, until she finds out Luna's plan would result in generations of the common pony being oppressed by nobles and bloody wars with Luna seeing it as "a small price to pay".]]
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* BerserkButton: [[spoiler: Celestia [[spoiler:Celestia was rather fine with Luna's ideals, until she finds out Luna's plan would result in generations of the common pony being oppressed by nobles and bloody wars with Luna seeing it as "a small price to pay".]]
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* YouGotSpunk: Braveheart says as much to Twilight when she steps up to defend Luna. He also says he looks forward to [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing it out of her]].
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* DidntThinkThisThrough: Celestia's historical revision relied on Luna never reading any accounts of her banishment, nobody ever talking about Nightmare Moon again, and Luna never noticing the castle's ''tapestries and stained glass windows portraying the falsified version of events''. [[FailedASpotCheck It took Luna a year to figure it out.]]
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** In a meta way, most of the problems the story has is the result of the writer being inexperienceand and GenreBlindness.
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** In a meta way, most of the problems the story has is the result of the writer being inexperienceand and GenreBlindness.inexperienced.
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* IdiotBall: The conflict of Luna believing Celestia painted her as a monster for no reason other than power is kicked off by Luna taking the words of Prince Blueblood - whom everyone sitting around treats with utter disdain and who even she automatically marks as a self-important, uneducated dolt, and who she just humiliated and scalded, and who is clearly furious - at face value.
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Celestia's Adaptational Jerkass entry was ZCE and used as complaining.
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* AdaptationalJerkass:
** Despite the author's claims otherwise, this is one of the earliest and most vicious "Evil Celestia" fics.
** Prince Blueblood is even more of an asshole than in canon. He only appears so that the author can paint him as a total asshole who abuses any tiny amount of power he can get. In canon, he's egotistical and cowardly, but not nearly to the degree Grey Prophet sets him up here. It's like he was desperate to find ''somepony'' the audience could hate more than Braveheart.
** Despite the author's claims otherwise, this is one of the earliest and most vicious "Evil Celestia" fics.
** Prince Blueblood is even more of an asshole than in canon. He only appears so that the author can paint him as a total asshole who abuses any tiny amount of power he can get. In canon, he's egotistical and cowardly, but not nearly to the degree Grey Prophet sets him up here. It's like he was desperate to find ''somepony'' the audience could hate more than Braveheart.
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* AdaptationalJerkass:
** Despite the author's claims otherwise, this is one of the earliest and most vicious "Evil Celestia" fics.
**AdaptationalJerkass: Prince Blueblood is even more of an asshole than in canon. He only appears so that the author can paint him as a total asshole who abuses any tiny amount of power he can get. In canon, he's egotistical and cowardly, but not nearly to the degree Grey Prophet sets him up here. It's like he was desperate to find ''somepony'' the audience could hate more than Braveheart.
** Despite the author's claims otherwise, this is one of the earliest and most vicious "Evil Celestia" fics.
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* BrokenAesop: The author has stated that two of the major themes of the story are that neither of the Princesses are wholly right or wrong, and that it is the responsibility of an individual to face the consequences of their past actions. It hasn’t really held up terribly well as the story has worn on.
** Celestia’s actions have increasingly seemed those of a stereotypical Machiavellian despot, clinging to power through any means necessary. The nobles of her court remain the decadent would-be tyrants they’ve always been. Her fanatically loyal guard's behavior towards her subjects is less that of a policing body or defensive army, and more that of a hostile occupying force. Her former right-hand man is a murderously insane dragon who was abandoned once his usefulness expired. [[spoiler: Actually, chapter 14 reveals Celestia banished him to the Everfree Forest due to his barbarism]].
** During the middle portion of the story as it currently stands, it was revealed that Luna was not the wronged innocent she had initially portrayed herself as. Her plan to leave Equestria was born of her own desire to be free of the responsibility and frustration of governing its inhabitants. The nobles who had backed her merely wanted to seize power and enslave the lower classes, and Luna herself was fully aware of it. Despite casting aspersions upon Celestia for the bloody civil war she fought to retain control, Luna justified her attempt at selling the masses into servitude by predicting that they would eventually win their freedom through violent revolution. While she did briefly seem to regret her past actions and recognize her own role in the missteps of the past, it doesn’t seem to have taken. The reservations about her own beliefs acquired in earlier chapters are tossed aside with ease, accompanied by a mental noting that Celestia’s methods and philosophies have proven themselves useless. Her ancient adviser and confidant Morning Star, introduced as a self-serving manipulator and mastermind of the attempted coup, has been revised as a benevolent reformer whose proposals are recognized as flawless even by those who hear them second-hand and lack any knowledge of the matters involved.
** Celestia’s actions have increasingly seemed those of a stereotypical Machiavellian despot, clinging to power through any means necessary. The nobles of her court remain the decadent would-be tyrants they’ve always been. Her fanatically loyal guard's behavior towards her subjects is less that of a policing body or defensive army, and more that of a hostile occupying force. Her former right-hand man is a murderously insane dragon who was abandoned once his usefulness expired. [[spoiler: Actually, chapter 14 reveals Celestia banished him to the Everfree Forest due to his barbarism]].
** During the middle portion of the story as it currently stands, it was revealed that Luna was not the wronged innocent she had initially portrayed herself as. Her plan to leave Equestria was born of her own desire to be free of the responsibility and frustration of governing its inhabitants. The nobles who had backed her merely wanted to seize power and enslave the lower classes, and Luna herself was fully aware of it. Despite casting aspersions upon Celestia for the bloody civil war she fought to retain control, Luna justified her attempt at selling the masses into servitude by predicting that they would eventually win their freedom through violent revolution. While she did briefly seem to regret her past actions and recognize her own role in the missteps of the past, it doesn’t seem to have taken. The reservations about her own beliefs acquired in earlier chapters are tossed aside with ease, accompanied by a mental noting that Celestia’s methods and philosophies have proven themselves useless. Her ancient adviser and confidant Morning Star, introduced as a self-serving manipulator and mastermind of the attempted coup, has been revised as a benevolent reformer whose proposals are recognized as flawless even by those who hear them second-hand and lack any knowledge of the matters involved.
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* BrokenAesop: The author has stated that two of the major themes of the story are that neither of the Princesses are wholly right or wrong, and that it is the responsibility of an individual to face the consequences of their past actions. It hasn’t really held up terribly well as the story has worn on.
** Celestia’s actions have increasingly seemed those of a stereotypical Machiavellian despot, clinging to power through any means necessary. The nobles of her court remain the decadent would-be tyrants they’ve always been. Her fanatically loyal guard's behavior towards her subjects is less that of a policing body or defensive army, and more that of a hostile occupying force. Her former right-hand man is a murderously insane dragon who was abandoned once his usefulness expired. [[spoiler: Actually, chapter 14 reveals Celestia banished him to the Everfree Forest due to his barbarism]].
** During the middle portion of the story as it currently stands, it was revealed that Luna was not the wronged innocent she had initially portrayed herself as. Her plan to leave Equestria was born of her own desire to be free of the responsibility and frustration of governing its inhabitants. The nobles who had backed her merely wanted to seize power and enslave the lower classes, and Luna herself was fully aware of it. Despite casting aspersions upon Celestia for the bloody civil war she fought to retain control, Luna justified her attempt at selling the masses into servitude by predicting that they would eventually win their freedom through violent revolution. While she did briefly seem to regret her pastBut Celestia's actions and recognize supporters come of as typical tyranny while she's never get any defense or change to speak in it; she's absent after the first chapter. Meanwhile Luna's flaws and misdeeds are never presented without an immediate argument in her own role in defense, the missteps of the past, it doesn’t seem to have taken. The reservations about her own beliefs acquired in earlier chapters are tossed aside with ease, accompanied by a mental noting that Celestia’s methods and philosophies have proven themselves useless. Her Luan's ancient adviser and confidant Morning Star, introduced as a self-serving manipulator and mastermind of the attempted coup, has been revised as a benevolent reformer whose proposals are recognized as flawless even by those who hear them second-hand and lack any knowledge of the matters involved.
** Celestia’s actions have increasingly seemed those of a stereotypical Machiavellian despot, clinging to power through any means necessary. The nobles of her court remain the decadent would-be tyrants they’ve always been. Her fanatically loyal guard's behavior towards her subjects is less that of a policing body or defensive army, and more that of a hostile occupying force. Her former right-hand man is a murderously insane dragon who was abandoned once his usefulness expired. [[spoiler: Actually, chapter 14 reveals Celestia banished him to the Everfree Forest due to his barbarism]].
** During the middle portion of the story as it currently stands, it was revealed that Luna was not the wronged innocent she had initially portrayed herself as. Her plan to leave Equestria was born of her own desire to be free of the responsibility and frustration of governing its inhabitants. The nobles who had backed her merely wanted to seize power and enslave the lower classes, and Luna herself was fully aware of it. Despite casting aspersions upon Celestia for the bloody civil war she fought to retain control, Luna justified her attempt at selling the masses into servitude by predicting that they would eventually win their freedom through violent revolution. While she did briefly seem to regret her past
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* {{Hypocrite}}: [[spoiler:Luna, despite all her talk about how much she hates the DecadentCourt and loves free will, was working with them to give them the nation when she stepped down.]]
** [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] in that she assumed the general populace would eventually overthrow them and find a better way to govern themselves. Presumably through democracy. She even [[spoiler: says as much in the flashback when we see the events that lead to her banishment]]. [[spoiler: Of course she's still a hypocrite, as she doesn't really care what the general populace wants or what happens to them.]]
** [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] in that she assumed the general populace would eventually overthrow them and find a better way to govern themselves. Presumably through democracy. She even [[spoiler: says as much in the flashback when we see the events that lead to her banishment]]. [[spoiler: Of course she's still a hypocrite, as she doesn't really care what the general populace wants or what happens to them.]]
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* {{Hypocrite}}: [[spoiler:Luna, despite all her talk about how much she hates the DecadentCourt and loves free will, was working with them to give them the nation when she stepped down.]]
** [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] in that she She assumed the general populace would eventually overthrow them and find a better way to govern themselves. Presumably through democracy. She even [[spoiler: says themselves saying as much in the flashback when we see the events that lead to her banishment]]. [[spoiler: Of course she's still a hypocrite, as banishment, but she doesn't really care what the general populace wants or what happens to them.]]
** [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] in that she
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%%** Chapter Ten is built on it.
** On the way to the princesses' old castle, Applejack argues with Dash over her unreasonable loyalty to Luna, eventually deciding that she no longer trusts her judgment enough to continue following her sense of direction. She chooses one of the possible paths before them and leaves Dash behind, eventually finding that she has made the correct choice. As she celebrates, a sudden gust of wind snatches her hat away and deposits it at the entrance to a cave occupied by a giant spider. Somehow, this convinces her that she's been wrong all along, and that her view of Luna has been colored by irrational hatred and mortal hubris.
** Dash then catches up with her and defeats the spider, proving to her the need to forgive Luna for ever having doubted her.
** In what may be the only sound logic in the entire chapter, seeing Dash make an immediate recovery from the wounds sustained in the fight against the spider causes Applejack to realize that Luna's immortality has indeed been transferred. It doesn't last, however, as she immediately believes this to mean that everything the Princess has told them was truthful, and that she should join her friends in accepting her every word doubtlessly.
** On the way to the princesses' old castle, Applejack argues with Dash over her unreasonable loyalty to Luna, eventually deciding that she no longer trusts her judgment enough to continue following her sense of direction. She chooses one of the possible paths before them and leaves Dash behind, eventually finding that she has made the correct choice. As she celebrates, a sudden gust of wind snatches her hat away and deposits it at the entrance to a cave occupied by a giant spider. Somehow, this convinces her that she's been wrong all along, and that her view of Luna has been colored by irrational hatred and mortal hubris.
** Dash then catches up with her and defeats the spider, proving to her the need to forgive Luna for ever having doubted her.
** In what may be the only sound logic in the entire chapter, seeing Dash make an immediate recovery from the wounds sustained in the fight against the spider causes Applejack to realize that Luna's immortality has indeed been transferred. It doesn't last, however, as she immediately believes this to mean that everything the Princess has told them was truthful, and that she should join her friends in accepting her every word doubtlessly.
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* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler: Philomena, at Ajax's hand. Being a phoenix, [[UnexplainedRecovery she presumably got better quickly, such being the only explanation for why seemingly no one cared it happened.]]]]
* OrwellianRetcon: The reedited version changes a lot. Ex Braveheart and the guards act far more like a professional police force than armed thugs in the original.
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** Likewise, Luna's plan to [[spoiler:make her sister give up her eternal rule]] had its flaws... such as [[spoiler:trusting the power-hungry nobles]].
*** [[spoiler: Turns out it wasn't even her plan, she was just following the power-hungry nobles lead.]]
*** [[spoiler: She claims she expected the general populace to overthrow the nobles at some point. So this is a case of the reader's personal opinion when all is said and done.]]
* ShipTease: In Chapter 3, between Big Mac and [[spoiler: Princess Luna]].
** It ultimately [[spoiler: goes nowhere.]]
*** [[spoiler: Turns out it wasn't even her plan, she was just following the power-hungry nobles lead.]]
*** [[spoiler: She claims she expected the general populace to overthrow the nobles at some point. So this is a case of the reader's personal opinion when all is said and done.]]
* ShipTease: In Chapter 3, between Big Mac and [[spoiler: Princess Luna]].
** It ultimately [[spoiler: goes nowhere.]]
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*** [[spoiler: Turns out it wasn't even her plan, she was just following the power-hungry nobles lead.]]
*** [[spoiler: She claims she expected the general populace to overthrow the nobles at some point. So this is a case of the reader's personal opinion when all is said and done.]]
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* SpotlightStealingSquad: A pretty decent chunk of the story focuses on Braveheart and his squad. He even more or less becomes the protagonist from the end of chapter 11 to the end of 13, [[spoiler: when he's killed off]]. Hoof, just take a look at how much the fic's trope articles mention him.
** To a point were the author apologized for spending so much of the story on them.
** To a point were the author apologized for spending so much of the story on them.
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* SpotlightStealingSquad: A pretty decent chunk of the story focuses on Braveheart and his squad. He even more or less becomes the protagonist from the end of chapter 11 to the end of 13, [[spoiler: when he's killed off]]. Hoof, just take a look at how much the fic's trope articles mention him.
**To a point were the author apologized for spending so much of the story on them.
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* {{Retcon}}: The reedited version changes a lot. Ex Braveheart and the guards act far more like a professional police force than armed thugs in the original.
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''[[InformedAttribute Maybe.]]''
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** Celestia’s actions have increasingly seemed those of a stereotypical Machiavellian despot, clinging to power through any means necessary. The nobles of her court remain the decadent would-be tyrants they’ve always been. Her fanatically loyal guard’s guard's behavior towards her subjects is less that of a policing body or defensive army, and more that of a hostile occupying force. Her former right-hand man is a murderously insane dragon who was abandoned once his usefulness expired. [[spoiler: Actually, chapter 14 reveals Celestia banished him to the Everfree Forest due to his barbarism]].
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* InformedAttribute: The story attempts to give us [[RonTheDeathEater a darker, more manipulative Celestia]] though [[WellIntentionedExtremist one who wishes to protect Equestria]] while making Luna someone who tried to fight against her sister's rule but suffered from her own flaws. Unfortunately, this story has gained a great deal of notoriety for ''claiming'' to be a lot more even-handed than it actually ''is''. Celestia never gets to speak in her defense; she's absent after the first chapter. Luna's flaws are never presented for the reader, at least not without an immediate argument in her defense. As a result, it started coming across as a bog-standard Tyrant!Celestia story.
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* AdaptationalJerkass:
** Despite the author's claims otherwise, this is one of the earliest and most vicious "Evil Celestia" fics.
** Prince Blueblood is even more of an asshole than in canon. He only appears so that the author can paint him as a total asshole who abuses any tiny amount of power he can get. In canon, he's egotistical and cowardly, but not nearly to the degree Grey Prophet sets him up here. It's like he was desperate to find ''somepony'' the audience could hate more than Braveheart.
** Despite the author's claims otherwise, this is one of the earliest and most vicious "Evil Celestia" fics.
** Prince Blueblood is even more of an asshole than in canon. He only appears so that the author can paint him as a total asshole who abuses any tiny amount of power he can get. In canon, he's egotistical and cowardly, but not nearly to the degree Grey Prophet sets him up here. It's like he was desperate to find ''somepony'' the audience could hate more than Braveheart.
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* NotSoDifferentRemark: Twilight accuses Luna of being just as guilty of manipulating and misleading others after [[spoiler:overhearing her keeping Apple Bloom LockedOutOfTheLoop]]. Twilight never stops to think that Luna is doing this because she doesn't want to see Applebloom lose her innocence about the world at such a young age, or get caught up in the mess that she and the rest of the adult ponies among the cast are dealing with. Granted, Twilight is very emotional state at the time, but it still gives her a brief {{Jerkass}} moment.
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* NotSoDifferentRemark: Twilight accuses Luna of being just as guilty of manipulating and misleading others after [[spoiler:overhearing her keeping Apple Bloom LockedOutOfTheLoop]]. Twilight never stops to think that Luna is doing this because she doesn't want to see Applebloom lose her innocence about the world at such a young age, or get caught up in the mess that she and the rest of the adult ponies among the cast are dealing with. Granted, Twilight is very emotional state at the time, but it still gives her a brief {{Jerkass}} moment.
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Not So Different has been renamed, and it needs to be dewicked/moved
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* NotSoDifferent: Twilight accuses Luna of being just as guilty of manipulating and misleading others after [[spoiler:overhearing her keeping Apple Bloom LockedOutOfTheLoop]]. Twilight never stops to think that Luna is doing this because she doesn't want to see Applebloom lose her innocence about the world at such a young age, or get caught up in the mess that she and the rest of the adult ponies among the cast are dealing with. Granted, Twilight is very emotional state at the time, but it still gives her a brief {{Jerkass}} moment.
** [[spoiler: A thousand years ago you could say she was worse.]]
** [[spoiler: A thousand years ago you could say she was worse.]]
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* NotSoDifferent: NotSoDifferentRemark: Twilight accuses Luna of being just as guilty of manipulating and misleading others after [[spoiler:overhearing her keeping Apple Bloom LockedOutOfTheLoop]]. Twilight never stops to think that Luna is doing this because she doesn't want to see Applebloom lose her innocence about the world at such a young age, or get caught up in the mess that she and the rest of the adult ponies among the cast are dealing with. Granted, Twilight is very emotional state at the time, but it still gives her a brief {{Jerkass}} moment.
** [[spoiler: A thousand years ago you could say she was worse.]]moment.
** [[spoiler: A thousand years ago you could say she was worse.]]
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* ZeroPercentApprovalRating: Despite her 'redemption', Princess Luna isn't trusted by the public. Prince Blueblood exposes this ElephantInTheLivingRoom after she accidentally knocks a bowl of hot soup into his face.
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* HatedByAll: Despite her 'redemption', Princess Luna isn't trusted by the public. Prince Blueblood exposes this ElephantInTheLivingRoom after she accidentally knocks a bowl of hot soup into his face.
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* DarkFic[=/=]DarkerAndEdgier: Nopony is safe from realistically-played serious injury[[note]]with the Mane 6's canon resilience being retconned as [[ItMakesSenseInContext a portion of stolen immortality from Luna]][[/note]], and [[spoiler: while the Mane 6 survive, most of the major [=OCs=] introduced die and Rarity's escape plan is inadvertently responsible for the death of a foal]].
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* DarkFic[=/=]DarkerAndEdgier: DarkFic: Nopony is safe from realistically-played serious injury[[note]]with the Mane 6's canon resilience being retconned as [[ItMakesSenseInContext a portion of stolen immortality from Luna]][[/note]], and [[spoiler: while the Mane 6 survive, most of the major [=OCs=] introduced die and Rarity's escape plan is inadvertently responsible for the death of a foal]].
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A ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' fanfic. [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7037421/1/Frigid-Winds-and-Burning-Hearts Found right here.]]
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[[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/05/story-frigid-winds-and-burning-hearts.html Frigid Winds and Burning Hearts]] is ''not'' your typical heartwarming tale of Luna rediscovering her place in the world and the love of her sister and subjects. It is not a story about [[Fanfic/{{Progress}} a dorky princess fumbling with all the advancements the world made without her]]. Nor is it a grimdark tale of a fiery reformer waging war against her tyrannical sister.
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!!This ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' FanFic contains examples of:
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!!This ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' FanFic story contains examples of:
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* DeadlyDecadentCourt: Luna has never been a fan of 'nobility', much less the methods her sister used to set up the system in the first place.
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* DeadlyDecadentCourt: DecadentCourt: Luna has never been a fan of 'nobility', much less the methods her sister used to set up the system in the first place.
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* {{Hypocrite}}: [[spoiler:Luna, despite all her talk about how much she hates the DeadlyDecadentCourt and loves free will, was working with them to give them the nation when she stepped down.]]
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* {{Hypocrite}}: [[spoiler:Luna, despite all her talk about how much she hates the DeadlyDecadentCourt DecadentCourt and loves free will, was working with them to give them the nation when she stepped down.]]
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** Celestia, ignoring her sister's wish to return to the heavens, set them up as [[GodEmperor God Princesses]] and created the DeadlyDecadentCourt, which entailed [[spoiler:letting the members lie about being related to the Princesses to justify their superiority]].
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** Celestia, ignoring her sister's wish to return to the heavens, set them up as [[GodEmperor God Princesses]] and created the DeadlyDecadentCourt, DecadentCourt, which entailed [[spoiler:letting the members lie about being related to the Princesses to justify their superiority]].
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* SeemedLikeAGoodIdeaAtTheTime: Celestia's choices concerning how to handle her sister were... somewhat ill-thought out in places.
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* SeemedLikeAGoodIdeaAtTheTime: ItSeemedLikeAGoodIdeaAtTheTime: Celestia's choices concerning how to handle her sister were... somewhat ill-thought out in places.
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[[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/05/story-frigid-winds-and-burning-hearts.html Frigid Winds and Burning Hearts]] is ''not'' your typical heartwarming tale of Luna rediscovering her place in the world and the love of her sister and subjects. It is not a story about [[Fanfic/{{Progress}} an]] {{Adorkable}} [[Fanfic/{{Progress}} princess fumbling with all the advancements the world made without her]]. Nor is it a grimdark tale of a fiery reformer waging war against her tyrannical sister.
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[[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/05/story-frigid-winds-and-burning-hearts.html Frigid Winds and Burning Hearts]] is ''not'' your typical heartwarming tale of Luna rediscovering her place in the world and the love of her sister and subjects. It is not a story about [[Fanfic/{{Progress}} an]] {{Adorkable}} [[Fanfic/{{Progress}} a dorky princess fumbling with all the advancements the world made without her]]. Nor is it a grimdark tale of a fiery reformer waging war against her tyrannical sister.
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That’s more adaptation than morality
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* KnightOfCerebus: Braveheart, who immediately establishes that he's willing to do ''horrible'' things.
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* MostWritersAreHuman: The writer injects human mindsets and beliefs into a world where there shouldn't be, such as sexism against women despite being a female dominated world.
** He also seems to have a hard time understanding the more supernatural elements of the show and BlueAndOrangeMorality. For example Discord is merely just an evil tyrant rather than a god of chaos who did everything ForTheLulz and Windigos are missing for his retelling of Equestria's founding.
** He also seems to have a hard time understanding the more supernatural elements of the show and BlueAndOrangeMorality. For example Discord is merely just an evil tyrant rather than a god of chaos who did everything ForTheLulz and Windigos are missing for his retelling of Equestria's founding.
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* MostWritersAreHuman: The writer injects human mindsets and beliefs into a world where there shouldn't be, such as sexism against women despite being a female dominated world.
** He also seemsworld. Braveheart compares Big Mac to have a hard time understanding the more supernatural elements of the show and BlueAndOrangeMorality. For example Discord is merely just an evil tyrant rather than a god of chaos Wrestling/AndreTheGiant, who did everything ForTheLulz and Windigos are missing for his retelling of Equestria's founding. doesn't exist in this universe).
** He also seems
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Not the place for audience reaction and that’s getting karma.
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** Braveheart is shaping up to becoming one, although getting humiliated by Prince Blueblood in Chapter 8 comes the closest to bringing him down a peg.
*** As of chapter 11 he's EasilyForgiven, despite a major theme of the story is about how EasilyForgiven doesn't happen.
*** And as of chapter 13, he [[spoiler: finally meets his end after Ajax burns and crushes him. But while he technically pays for his crimes with his life and weeps when he realizes he's going to die without seeing Celestia or the sun again, everypony present seems to have changed their tune about him, so he's still EasilyForgiven]].
*** As of chapter 11 he's EasilyForgiven, despite a major theme of the story is about how EasilyForgiven doesn't happen.
*** And as of chapter 13, he [[spoiler: finally meets his end after Ajax burns and crushes him. But while he technically pays for his crimes with his life and weeps when he realizes he's going to die without seeing Celestia or the sun again, everypony present seems to have changed their tune about him, so he's still EasilyForgiven]].
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* MostWritersAreHuman: A major problem some fans have with the story is that the writer injects human mindsets and beliefs into a world where there shouldn't be, such as sexism against women despite being a female dominated world.
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* MostWritersAreHuman: A major problem some fans have with the story is that the The writer injects human mindsets and beliefs into a world where there shouldn't be, such as sexism against women despite being a female dominated world.
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YMMV
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** It happens again after [[spoiler: he shoots Big Mac in the leg with a crossbow bolt.]] Many see this as the moment that he didn't so much cross as outright ''jumped'' over the MoralEventHorizon.
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** It happens again after [[spoiler: he shoots Big Mac in the leg with a crossbow bolt.]] Many see this as the moment that he didn't so much cross as outright ''jumped'' over the MoralEventHorizon.]]
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Fridge is YMMV
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* StrawMisogynist: Braveheart is openly contempteous towards Luna, describing her as a errant filly who needs a good spanking, and is equally dismissive of Twilight and the other female leads. He downplays their talents and potential threat level, even while gloating about how they're going to be punished for their defiance. When they ''do'' mount an effective resistance, he calls them witches and worse. According to WordOfGod, again, this is merely a matter of Braveheart being an insecure orphan StreetUrchin who uses whatever means at his disposition to belittle, insult, and make himself superior to any opposition he's confronting. He's really equal opportunity when it comes to this standard procedure, it's just that he's had to face more females than males so far (he ''did'' compare Big Mac to Wrestling/AndreTheGiant, among other things - which is [[FridgeLogic completely nonsensical]], given Andre the Giant doesn't exist in this universe).
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* StrawMisogynist: Braveheart is openly contempteous towards Luna, describing her as a errant filly who needs a good spanking, and is equally dismissive of Twilight and the other female leads. He downplays their talents and potential threat level, even while gloating about how they're going to be punished for their defiance. When they ''do'' mount an effective resistance, he calls them witches and worse. According to WordOfGod, again, this is merely a matter of Braveheart being an insecure orphan StreetUrchin who uses whatever means at his disposition to belittle, insult, and make himself superior to any opposition he's confronting. He's really equal opportunity when it comes to this standard procedure, it's just that he's had to face more females than males so far (he ''did'' compare Big Mac to Wrestling/AndreTheGiant, among other things - which is [[FridgeLogic completely nonsensical]], given Andre the Giant doesn't exist in this universe).far.
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* AnyoneCanDie: The story certainly gives this feeling via the DarkerAndEdgier take on the setting described below, [[spoiler: although the canon characters make it out with only presumed mental scars at the end. The introduced [=OCs=] aren't so lucky]].
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* DarkFic[=/=]DarkerAndEdgier: Nopony is safe from realistically-played serious injury[[note]]with the Mane 6's canon resilience being retconned as [[ItMakesSenseInContext a portion of stolen immortality from Luna]][[/note]], and [[spoiler: while the Mane 6 survive, most of the major [=OCs=] introduced die and Rarity's escape plan is inadvertently responsible for the death of a foal]].
** The broader setting is also treated similarly, with many factions and historical characters either acting under the assumption that HobbesWasRight or having their ideals blow up in their face, as well as civilian panic and the necessity of riot suppression being taken to likely unrealistic extents, and said riot suppression involving some nasty PoliceBrutality[[note]]Or the threat thereof, until the Mane 6 defuse the situation better[[/note]]. Overall, the setting very much gives the impression that [[HumansAreFlawed the Equestrian Sapient Races Are Flawed.]]
** The broader setting is also treated similarly, with many factions and historical characters either acting under the assumption that HobbesWasRight or having their ideals blow up in their face, as well as civilian panic and the necessity of riot suppression being taken to likely unrealistic extents, and said riot suppression involving some nasty PoliceBrutality[[note]]Or the threat thereof, until the Mane 6 defuse the situation better[[/note]]. Overall, the setting very much gives the impression that [[HumansAreFlawed the Equestrian Sapient Races Are Flawed.]]
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* ArmiesAreEvil: Zig-zag between chapters.
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* ArmiesAreEvil: Zig-zag Zig-zags between chapters.
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* BroughtDownToBadass: The Elements of Harmony stripped Luna of some of her powers, most noticably [[spoiler: her immortality]]. She is still capable of holding her own.
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* BroughtDownToBadass: The Elements of Harmony stripped Luna of some of her powers, most noticably noticeably [[spoiler: her immortality]]. She is still capable of holding her own.
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* BerserkButton: [[spoiler: Celestia was rather fine with Luna's ideals, until she finds out Luna's plan would result generations of the common pony being oppressed by nobles and bloody wars with Luna seeing it as "a small price to pay".]]
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* BerserkButton: [[spoiler: Celestia was rather fine with Luna's ideals, until she finds out Luna's plan would result in generations of the common pony being oppressed by nobles and bloody wars with Luna seeing it as "a small price to pay".]]
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* StrawMisogynist: Braveheart is openly contempteous towards Luna, describing her as a errant filly who needs a good spanking, and is equally dismissive of Twilight and the other female leads. He downplays their talents and potential threat level, even while gloating about how they're going to be punished for their defiance. When they ''do'' mount an effective resistance, he calls them witches and worse. According to WordOfGod, again, this is merely a matter of Braveheart being an insecure orphan StreetUrchin who uses whatever means at his disposition to belittle, insult, and make himself superior to any opposition he's confronting. He's really equal opportunity when it comes to this standard procedure, it's just that he's had to face more females than males so far (he ''did'' compare Big Mac to AndreTheGiant, among other things - which is [[FridgeLogic completely nonsensical]], given Andre the Giant doesn't exist in this universe).
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* StrawMisogynist: Braveheart is openly contempteous towards Luna, describing her as a errant filly who needs a good spanking, and is equally dismissive of Twilight and the other female leads. He downplays their talents and potential threat level, even while gloating about how they're going to be punished for their defiance. When they ''do'' mount an effective resistance, he calls them witches and worse. According to WordOfGod, again, this is merely a matter of Braveheart being an insecure orphan StreetUrchin who uses whatever means at his disposition to belittle, insult, and make himself superior to any opposition he's confronting. He's really equal opportunity when it comes to this standard procedure, it's just that he's had to face more females than males so far (he ''did'' compare Big Mac to AndreTheGiant, Wrestling/AndreTheGiant, among other things - which is [[FridgeLogic completely nonsensical]], given Andre the Giant doesn't exist in this universe).
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* [[spoiler:FromACertainPointOfView: The history books aren't that far off from what really happened. However as chapter 13 reveals, this is apparently because '''''CELESTIA''''' was playing the role of Nightmare Moon as part of her smear campaign against the ideals of her own ''sister'' and those among the nobility, and possibly the peasantry who wanted Celestia to step down from her position of power.]]
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* [[spoiler:FromACertainPointOfView: The FromACertainPointOfView: [[spoiler:The history books aren't that far off from what really happened. However as chapter 13 reveals, this is apparently because '''''CELESTIA''''' was playing the role of Nightmare Moon as part of her smear campaign against the ideals of her own ''sister'' and those among the nobility, and possibly the peasantry who wanted Celestia to step down from her position of power.]]
