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* DiscOneFinalBoss: He's presented as the primary antagonist of Acts 4 and 5. It's not until late into Act 5 that Lord English is established as a GreaterScopeVillain that who was always meant to supersede Jack's position as the BigBad. Vriska herself expected this, '''merely''' describing Jack as "a murderous asshole" compared to the monstrous Lord English.

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* DiscOneFinalBoss: He's presented as the primary antagonist of Acts 4 and 5. It's not until late into Act 5 that Lord English is established as a GreaterScopeVillain that who was always meant to supersede Jack's position as the BigBad. Vriska herself expected this, '''merely''' describing Jack as "a murderous asshole" compared to the monstrous Lord English.



* EvilVirtues: He willingly gives up the package containing the instrument of his rise to power to PM after she brings her the White Monarchs crowns as he asked, and he takes the time to give Bro his sword back before dueling him again. Both of these things suggest that, while he might be an incredible example of an OmnicidalManiac, he still has a sense of honor.

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* EvilVirtues: He willingly gives up the package containing the instrument of his rise to power to PM after she brings her the White Monarchs Monarchs' crowns as he asked, and he takes the time to give Bro his sword back before dueling him again. Both of these things suggest that, while he might be an incredible example of an OmnicidalManiac, he still has a sense of honor.



** Another echo between (a) the end of the Midnight Crew intermission when Spades Slick poses over the bar scanner with one gouged eye, a missing arms, and a pattern of red laser light on his head and (b) the end of "[S] Jack: Ascend," when Jack is in the same pose after putting on the ring with blood splattered on his forehead.
* IronicEchoCut: The same bloodied hand above is featured in a cut in "[S] Cascade" from when his hands are covered in the blood Jade's killer to when he enters the Troll session right after having rammed his fist through WV.

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** Another echo between (a) the end of the Midnight Crew intermission when Spades Slick poses over the bar scanner with one gouged eye, a missing arms, arm, and a pattern of red laser light on his head and (b) the end of "[S] Jack: Ascend," when Jack is in the same pose after putting on the ring with blood splattered on his forehead.
* IronicEchoCut: The same bloodied hand above is featured in a cut in "[S] Cascade" from when his hands are covered in the blood of Jade's killer to when he enters the Troll session right after having rammed his fist through WV.



* LogicalWeakness: He may be omnipotent, but his powers come from the Black Queen's Ring. removing ring (or the arm wearing the ring) means that he's BroughtDownToNormal. However, it's easier said than done since he is omnipotent. The only person able to exploit this is PM, who's similarly empowered by the White Queen's Ring.

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* LogicalWeakness: He may be omnipotent, but his powers come from the Black Queen's Ring. removing Removing the ring (or the arm wearing the ring) means that he's BroughtDownToNormal. However, it's easier said than done since he is ''is'' omnipotent. The only person able to exploit this is PM, who's similarly empowered by the White Queen's Ring.



* MarathonBoss: His duel with PM has been goes on for ''three years'' in-universe.

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* MarathonBoss: His duel with PM has been goes on for ''three years'' in-universe.



* NiceHat: Although he doesn't like it that much, it's required of him to wear it when his monarch is looking. After becoming Bec Noir and Killing John's Dad, he took his Fedora. Then he pulls it off when he realizes that collecting trophies is stupid.

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* NiceHat: Although he doesn't like it that much, it's required of him to wear it when his monarch is looking. After becoming Bec Noir and Killing killing John's Dad, he took his Fedora. Then he pulls it off when he realizes that collecting trophies is stupid.



* YourHeadAsplode: After Dave cuts of his head, it promptly ''nukes the entire planet he was on''.


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* YourHeadAsplode: After Dave cuts of off his head, it promptly ''nukes the entire planet he was on''.




* TheCameo: He appears four about four panels and then has a minor background appearance before being killed off-screen.

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* TheCameo: He appears four in about four panels and then has a minor background appearance before being killed off-screen.
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* ChessMotifs

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* ChessMotifsChessMotifs: As Queen.
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* NiceHat: The Dersite crown

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* NiceHat: The Dersite crowncrown.
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* CombatTentacles: As apart of his prototyping.

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* CombatTentacles: As apart a part of his prototyping.
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* SidequestSidestory: Most Carapaces are irrelevant to the game, but nonetheless are sentient and can interact with the players, and have their own stories going on. However, two Dersites in particular are ways to eliminate the final bosses, avoiding direct combat. These sidequests are only triggered under unknown circumstances, apparently when the resentment of the Royalty by the two becomes unbearable, and may not occur in a session.

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* SidequestSidestory: Most Carapaces Carapacians are irrelevant to the game, but nonetheless are sentient and can interact with the players, and have their own stories going on. However, two Dersites in particular are ways to eliminate the final bosses, avoiding direct combat. These sidequests are only triggered under unknown circumstances, apparently when the resentment of the Royalty by the two becomes unbearable, and may not occur in a session.
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* BishonenLine: Odd usage related to hands. High ranking agents like Jack Noir and the Royalty of each planet have clearly distinct fingers while pawns like WV have more claw like hands. Inverted with their teeth though; high ranks have sharp teeth but low ranks have pretty much human teeth.
* BizarreAlienBiology: Averted, though their skin are semi-segmented hard carapaces, with edges and complex joints, this does ''nothing'' to their durability, as they suffer from wounds in a nigh-identical manner to humans and trolls. They do have internal genitals and NonMammalianMammaries, but they have skeletons too, and organs seemingly all in the normal places, meaning overall they're pretty human.

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* BishonenLine: Odd usage related to hands. High ranking agents like Jack Noir and the Royalty of each planet have clearly distinct fingers while pawns like WV have more claw like claw-like hands. Inverted with their teeth though; high ranks have sharp teeth but low ranks have pretty much human teeth.
* BizarreAlienBiology: Averted, Averted; though their skin are semi-segmented hard carapaces, with edges and complex joints, this does ''nothing'' to their durability, as they suffer from wounds in a nigh-identical manner to humans and trolls. They do have internal genitals and NonMammalianMammaries, but they have skeletons too, and organs seemingly all in the normal places, meaning overall they're pretty human.
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* BunnyEarsLawyer: He hates his job and has near-uncontrollable violent impulses, but he's [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007461 genuinely some kind of bureaucratic savant]]. DD can't remotely keep up when he's filling in for him.

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* BunnyEarsLawyer: He hates his job and has near-uncontrollable violent impulses, but he's [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007461 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/5561 genuinely some kind of bureaucratic savant]]. DD can't remotely keep up when he's filling in for him.



* FoeRomanceSubtext: [[invoked]]His relationship with the Black Queen is [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004295 a dead ringer for kismesisitude]].

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* FoeRomanceSubtext: [[invoked]]His relationship with the Black Queen is [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004295 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/2395 a dead ringer for kismesisitude]].



* BestialityIsDepraved: Both Spades Slick and B2 Jack Noir have "[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006796 Terrier Fancy]]" as their PornStash, which puts a whole different spin on the main B1 Noir's instant attraction to PM.

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* BestialityIsDepraved: Both Spades Slick and B2 Jack Noir have "[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006796 "[[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4896 Terrier Fancy]]" as their PornStash, which puts a whole different spin on the main B1 Noir's instant attraction to PM.



* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Jack is [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007211 bewildered]] that a little thing like murdering all her friends provokes such an UnstoppableRage in PM.

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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Jack is [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007211 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/5311 bewildered]] that a little thing like murdering all her friends provokes such an UnstoppableRage in PM.



* HonorBeforeReason: When the Parcel Mistress hands over the White King's and Queen's crowns, he hands over Jade's package, just as he promised. Even though it contained the obscenely powerful weapon that precipitated his rise to power in the first place, and the Parcel Mistress certainly couldn't have ''forced'' Jack to give it up. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003861 This turns out to be]] ''[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003861 a very bad idea.]]''

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* HonorBeforeReason: When the Parcel Mistress hands over the White King's and Queen's crowns, he hands over Jade's package, just as he promised. Even though it contained the obscenely powerful weapon that precipitated his rise to power in the first place, and the Parcel Mistress certainly couldn't have ''forced'' Jack to give it up. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003861 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/1961 This turns out to be]] ''[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003861 ''[[https://www.homestuck.com/story/1961 a very bad idea.]]''



* TwitchyEye: Gets one [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007255 when he first meets John and Rose again]] after having killed them two years before. (In John's case, Jack has killed him ''twice''.)

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* TwitchyEye: Gets one [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007255 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/5355 when he first meets John and Rose again]] after having killed them two years before. (In John's case, Jack has killed him ''twice''.)



* VillainousCrush: Develops one towards [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006212 PM]]. However, she's gone caliginous for him instead.
* WhyDontYaJustShootHim: [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004986 VERY]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005596 HARD.]] [[JustifiedTrope Played straight and justified]] when he refuses to kill Jade because of [[LoyalAnimalCompanion Bec's influence on hm.]]

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* VillainousCrush: Develops one towards [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006212 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4312 PM]]. However, she's gone caliginous for him instead.
* WhyDontYaJustShootHim: [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004986 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3086 VERY]] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005596 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3696 HARD.]] [[JustifiedTrope Played straight and justified]] when he refuses to kill Jade because of [[LoyalAnimalCompanion Bec's influence on hm.]]



* BloodFromTheMouth: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006501 Somewhat injured]] from [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006500 a head injury.]]
* DisappointedInYou: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006794 After opening a pumpkin from Courtyard Droll,]] Jack's eyes adjust slightly to convey this DullSurprise emotion toward how CD screwed up.

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* BloodFromTheMouth: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006501 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4601 Somewhat injured]] from [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006500 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4600 a head injury.]]
* DisappointedInYou: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006794 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4894 After opening a pumpkin from Courtyard Droll,]] Jack's eyes adjust slightly to convey this DullSurprise emotion toward how CD screwed up.



* EverythingsBetterWithSpinning: Not Jack Noir himself, but [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006500 his sword]] thanks to RuleOfFunny.

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* EverythingsBetterWithSpinning: Not Jack Noir himself, but [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006500 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4600 his sword]] thanks to RuleOfFunny.



* IncrediblyLamePun: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006499 Jack delivers one to DD, who is not amused.]]

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* IncrediblyLamePun: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006499 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4599 Jack delivers one to DD, who is not amused.]]



* MythologyGag: Ends up in a ''Webcomic/{{Jailbreak}}'' [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006778 adventure]].

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* MythologyGag: Ends up in a ''Webcomic/{{Jailbreak}}'' [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006778 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4878 adventure]].



* TapOnTheHead: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006500 Courtesy of the post-scratch White Queen.]]

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* TapOnTheHead: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006500 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4600 Courtesy of the post-scratch White Queen.]]



* ChekhovsGunman: Parcel Mistress first [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003432 passes him by]] on the way to Jack Noir's office. Of course, by that time, we already had met Diamonds Droog.

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* ChekhovsGunman: Parcel Mistress first [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003432 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/1532 passes him by]] on the way to Jack Noir's office. Of course, by that time, we already had met Diamonds Droog.



* CorruptBureaucrat: Subversion. DD is actually very dedicated to his job. However, he is [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005460 maliciously lazy]] when it comes to orders that ''distract'' him from said job.

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* CorruptBureaucrat: Subversion. DD is actually very dedicated to his job. However, he is [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005460 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3560 maliciously lazy]] when it comes to orders that ''distract'' him from said job.



* PragmaticVillainy: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005459 "There's a narrow line to walk between obeying the orders of a clear superior and blindly facilitating a perfectly useless genocide. It takes a very savvy breed of psychopath to pull it off. "]]

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* PragmaticVillainy: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005459 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3559 "There's a narrow line to walk between obeying the orders of a clear superior and blindly facilitating a perfectly useless genocide. It takes a very savvy breed of psychopath to pull it off. "]]



* MythologyGag: It's Droog, not the Dignitary, who's been shown reading the newspaper frequently -- it's hard to imagine Derse having any periodicals, as opposed to the rebuilt civilization on Alternia. But mind you, that doesn't stop the Dignitary from fantasizing about [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005459 WAPping Jack Noir on the head]] with a rolled-up Gazette.

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* MythologyGag: It's Droog, not the Dignitary, who's been shown reading the newspaper frequently -- it's hard to imagine Derse having any periodicals, as opposed to the rebuilt civilization on Alternia. But mind you, that doesn't stop the Dignitary from fantasizing about [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005459 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3559 WAPping Jack Noir on the head]] with a rolled-up Gazette.



* VillainousFashionSense: Dronegorg may be an almighty engine of destruction, but you won't find DD at the helm: [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006837 It's a bad look for him. No style at all.]]

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* VillainousFashionSense: Dronegorg may be an almighty engine of destruction, but you won't find DD at the helm: [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006837 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4937 It's a bad look for him. No style at all.]]



* AttentionDeficitOohShiny: [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005568 You are so impressed, you forget what you are supposed to be doing.]]

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* AttentionDeficitOohShiny: [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005568 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3668 You are so impressed, you forget what you are supposed to be doing.]]



* HighlyVisibleNinja: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003684 "You have unwittingly been tailed by the nefarious COURTYARD DROLL".]] How do you get unwittingly tailed by ''him''? It helps that he can FlashStep [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003685 out of the way when someone turns around]].

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* HighlyVisibleNinja: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003684 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/1784 "You have unwittingly been tailed by the nefarious COURTYARD DROLL".]] How do you get unwittingly tailed by ''him''? It helps that he can FlashStep [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003685 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/1785 out of the way when someone turns around]].



* MinionWithAnFInEvil: John just [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005578 created and equipped]] the full-sized [[InfinityPlusOneSword Warhammer of]] [[Webcomic/ProblemSleuth Zillyhoo]]. Had either been there, Jack's or DD's reaction would probably have been to slit John's throat before he could figure out what exactly makes this such a special weapon. But CD's reaction? ''High five.''

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* MinionWithAnFInEvil: John just [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005578 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3678 created and equipped]] the full-sized [[InfinityPlusOneSword Warhammer of]] [[Webcomic/ProblemSleuth Zillyhoo]]. Had either been there, Jack's or DD's reaction would probably have been to slit John's throat before he could figure out what exactly makes this such a special weapon. But CD's reaction? ''High five.''



** In his only on-panel fight, he's [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003690 completely trashed by an unarmed girl]]. With [[UnsoundEffect ADDITIONAL PUMMELING!]]

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** In his only on-panel fight, he's [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003690 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/1790 completely trashed by an unarmed girl]]. With [[UnsoundEffect ADDITIONAL PUMMELING!]]



* NotNowKiddo: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005860 Here]], he tries to tell Jack that he's nearly succeeded at stealing both the White Queen's ring and the Tumor, both of which are easily within his reach at that point and either one of which would have dramatically wrecked the hero's plans if he'd obtained them. Jack completely brushes him off.

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* NotNowKiddo: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005860 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3960 Here]], he tries to tell Jack that he's nearly succeeded at stealing both the White Queen's ring and the Tumor, both of which are easily within his reach at that point and either one of which would have dramatically wrecked the hero's plans if he'd obtained them. Jack completely brushes him off.



* PetTheDog: He befriends none other than [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005461 the Cyborg Bunny]] on the kids' battlefield. D'awwwww, ''CD''!

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* PetTheDog: He befriends none other than [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005461 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3561 the Cyborg Bunny]] on the kids' battlefield. D'awwwww, ''CD''!



* HighlyVisibleNinja: Much like his pre-scratch counterpart, he seems to be able to sneak around no matter how ridiculous he looks. He infiltrated Prospit and set up bombs throughout Jane's tower while wearing '''[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006303 this]]'''.

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* HighlyVisibleNinja: Much like his pre-scratch counterpart, he seems to be able to sneak around no matter how ridiculous he looks. He infiltrated Prospit and set up bombs throughout Jane's tower while wearing '''[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006303 '''[[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4403 this]]'''.



* ChekhovsGunman: He's the [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002857 safe-wielding minion]] summoned by Jack to put an end to Mr. Egbert's jailbreak.

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* ChekhovsGunman: He's the [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002857 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/957 safe-wielding minion]] summoned by Jack to put an end to Mr. Egbert's jailbreak.



** The post-scratch Brute got hit even harder, dying in his first scene; [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006445 Dirk even lampshades it]].

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** The post-scratch Brute got hit even harder, dying in his first scene; [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006445 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4545 Dirk even lampshades it]].



* BewareTheNiceOnes: She's very kind-hearted and gentle towards others, but Post-Scratch Jack Noir learned [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006500 the hard way]] that she's not at all hesitant about laying the smack-down on someone if they threaten her allies.

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* BewareTheNiceOnes: She's very kind-hearted and gentle towards others, but Post-Scratch Jack Noir learned [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006500 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4600 the hard way]] that she's not at all hesitant about laying the smack-down on someone if they threaten her allies.



* DynamicEntry: [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006500 Her debut]].

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* DynamicEntry: [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006500 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/4600 Her debut]].



* EldritchAbomination: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004492 In the Trolls' session. Holy crap.]]

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* EldritchAbomination: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004492 [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/2592 In the Trolls' session. Holy crap.]]
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* KarmaHoudini: After all the bloodshed he's caused, he lives at the cost of [[AnArmAndALeg losing both of his arms.]]


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* FanNickname: For [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/ACT6ACT5ACT1x2COMBO.php?s=6&p=007720 this]] form, the nicknames range from the predictable ("Jack English," "Lord Noir") to the puntastic ("Union Jack").

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!![[center:[-'''Main Cast:''' [[Characters/HomestuckKids Kids, Pre-Scratch]]; [[Characters/HomestuckPostScratchKids Kids, Post-Scratch]]; [[Characters/HomestuckTrollsGeneral Trolls]] ([[Characters/HomestuckTrollsOne Lowbloods]], [[Characters/HomestuckTrollsTwo Midbloods]], [[Characters/HomestuckTrollsThree Highbloods]], [[Characters/HomestuckPreScratchTrolls Pre-Scratch]]); [[Characters/HomestuckCherubs Cherubs]]-]]][[center: [-'''Supporting Cast:''' [[Characters/HomestuckGuardians Guardians & Ancestors]]; [[Characters/HomestuckSprites Sprites]]; [[Characters/HomestuckExiles Exiles & the Midnight Crew]]; '''Agents & Monarchs'''; [[Characters/HomestuckTheFelt The Felt]] ([[Characters/HomestuckTheFeltTwo Leaders]]); [[Characters/HomestuckOtherCharacters Others]]-]]][[center: [-'''Expanded Universe:''' [[Characters/HomestuckPostCanon Post-Canon]]; ''Characters/SweetBroAndHellaJeff''; ''Characters/{{Hiveswap}}'' ([[Characters/HiveswapTrollCall Troll Call]])-]]]






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* MacGuffin: The White Staff can be used to start the Reckoning, and is used to do that by the forces of Derse in an ordinary session. The players then have 24 hours to defeat the Black King and capture the Black Staff, which wins the game. The Queen's Rings are also important because they're needed to light The Forge and release the Genesis Frog into Skaia.



** WomenAreWiser: With exception to some of the pawns in WV's army, all female Carapacians are shown to be more intelligent and less prone to random bouts of silliness. That's not to say they're necessarily kinder however; the Black Queen in normal sessions is quite TheChessmaster, and is arguably more of the BigBad than the Black King. [[OnlySaneMan DD]] seems to be the exception to this, being male and quite possibly the most sane and grounded Carapacian we meet.



** MacGuffin: In addition, the White Staff can be used to start the Reckoning, and is used to do that by the forces of Derse in an ordinary session. The players then have 24 hours to defeat the Black King and capture the Black Staff, which wins the game. The Queen's Rings are also important because they're needed to light The Forge and release the Genesis Frog into Skaia.



* WomenAreWiser: With exception to some of the pawns in WV's army, all female Carapacians are shown to be more intelligent and less prone to random bouts of silliness. That's not to say they're necessarily kinder however; the Black Queen in normal sessions is quite TheChessmaster, and is arguably more of the BigBad than the Black King. [[OnlySaneMan DD]] seems to be the exception to this, being male and quite possibly the most sane and grounded Carapacian we meet.





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* IronicEcho: Troll-session Noir cuts his right hand to show his red blood to Karkat, proving that he's NotSoDifferent. Kids-session Noir has a red blood-covered right hand when he enters the Troll universe and starts killing everyone, including Dream!Karkat.

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* IronicEcho: Troll-session Noir cuts his right hand to show his red blood to Karkat, proving that he's NotSoDifferent.not that different from him. Kids-session Noir has a red blood-covered right hand when he enters the Troll universe and starts killing everyone, including Dream!Karkat.
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* AffablyEvil: All iterations of the Draconian Dignitary keep a level of wit, sophistication and, of course, dignity to their personas.
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* PerpetualFrowner: No iteration of Jack ever seems to smile, instead always scowling furiously.
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* VillainousCrush: Develops one towards [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006212 PM]]. However, she's gone [[FoeYay caliginous]] for him instead.

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* VillainousCrush: Develops one towards [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006212 PM]]. However, she's gone [[FoeYay caliginous]] caliginous for him instead.
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* SkippableBoss: Skaia's preset variables allows the players to skip her in some way, usually through contact and correspondence with Jack Noir.

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* SkippableBoss: Skaia's preset variables allows the players to skip her in some way, usually through contact and correspondence with Jack Noir. One of the confirmed manners of removing her from the game is in the Troll Session, where after Aradia knowingly prototypes the head of the Frog Temple, this causes the Black Queen to outright ''refuse'' to wear The Ring, because it would give her the physical attributes of the Genesis Frog, which is considered a vile creature by Dersite Society. Her refusal is grounds for her to be exiled, which the Troll's Session's Jack Noir and the Troll Players take advantage of after forming an alliance with each other.
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* EvilVirtues: He willingly gives up the package containing the instrument of his rise to power to PM after she brings her the White Monarchs crowns as he asked, and he takes the time to give Bro his sword back before dueling him again. Both of these things suggest that, while he might be an incredible example of an OmnicidalManiac, he still has a sense of honor.
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Five Bad Band is to be cut, and example admits it's a stretch. See this thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1532488931034738600&page=3#58


* FiveBadBand: The Dersite Agents and the Black Queen ''somewhat'' align to this. Without the queen, the Agents are more of a QuirkyMinibossSquad. At least until things go OffTheRails.
** The Black Queen is the BigBad of Derse, and the DarkChick.
** Jack Noir is TheDragon, with heavy TheStarscream tendencies.
** The Hegemonic Brute is TheBrute.
** The Draconian Dignitary is TheEvilGenius.
** The Courtyard Droll makes five, but there is already a "chick". The Droll has more chick-like tendencies than the queen, but is not really ''dark'' chick-like.
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** The Draconian Dignitary and Courtyard Droll make five, but the EvilGenius is Jack, and there is already a "chick". The Droll has more chick-like tendencies than the queen, but is not really ''dark'' chick-like. The Dignitary is another level of TheDragon, this time to Jack.

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** The Draconian Dignitary and is TheEvilGenius.
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Courtyard Droll make makes five, but the EvilGenius is Jack, and there is already a "chick". The Droll has more chick-like tendencies than the queen, but is not really ''dark'' chick-like. The Dignitary is another level of TheDragon, this time to Jack.
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* BunnyEarsLawyer: He hates his job and has near-uncontrollable violent impulses, but he's [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007461 genuinely some kind of bureaucratic savant]]. DD can't remotely keep up when he's filling in for him.

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* MoralityPet: Played with. He seems to be on mutual levels of respect with Jack Noir to the point where he's the only person able to keep him from starting mindless genocides, but he's clearly just as much as an antagonist as he is.

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* MoralityPet: MoralityChain: Played with. He seems to be on mutual levels of respect with Jack Noir to the point where he's the only person able to keep him from starting mindless genocides, but he's clearly just as much as an antagonist as he is. There's also the fact that the respect mostly comes more out of them tolerating the other at best rather than being completely on par with each other.

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* NiceJobFixingItVillain: Nice job waking up and empowering the one person who could possibly stop you (temporarily).
** And again at the end of Act 5, when after Jade is killed, Bec's influence causes him to take her to her Quest Bed. Since Jade's dream self was currently the second prototyping of Becsprite, when she revives she [[SuperpowerLottery has both God Tier Witch of Space AND First Guardian powers]].[[note]][[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And dog ears]].[[/note]]

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* NiceJobFixingItVillain: NiceJobFixingItVillain:
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Nice job waking up and empowering the one person who could possibly stop you (temporarily).
** And again at the end of Act 5, when after Jade is killed, Bec's influence causes him to take her to her Quest Bed. Since Jade's dream self was currently the second prototyping of Becsprite, when she revives she [[SuperpowerLottery has both God Tier Witch of Space AND First Guardian powers]].powers.[[note]][[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And dog ears]].[[/note]]
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* MoralityPet: Played with. He seems to be on mutual levels of respect with Jack Noir to the point where he's the only person able to keep him from starting mindless genocides, but he's clearly just as much as an antagonist as he is.


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* BrilliantButLazy: Manages to convince the Condense to give him the Queen's Ring and uses it efficiently. You'd wonder why he doesn't go and mess with the kids more, until you remember he's much more interested in making Derse fashionable and [[https://78.media.tumblr.com/8b77ae089dc276f4006eb7e0b64c08f5/tumblr_inline_o4cuypYNB51qh3bq9_540.png neglecting paperwork.]]

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* MythologyGag: Ends up in a ''JailBreak'' [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006778 adventure]].

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* MythologyGag: Ends up in a ''JailBreak'' ''Webcomic/{{Jailbreak}}'' [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006778 adventure]].
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* RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething: ¿an enemy agent trying to assasinate the Maid of Life? You can call the guards... or you can give him a taste of your royal sceptre.

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* RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething: ¿an An enemy agent trying to assasinate the Maid of Life? You can call the guards... or you can give him a taste of your royal sceptre.
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* CombatPragmatist: When he wants to be. Faced with an epic dule between him, Rose, and John, he... uses his teleportation power to warp behind John and stab him the back, killing him instantly. Likewise, rather than fight Vriska immediately, he first follows her trail back to finish off the other trolls, since they're an easier target and still pose a threat.

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* CombatPragmatist: When he wants to be. Faced with an epic dule duel between him, Rose, and John, he... uses his teleportation power to warp behind John and stab him the back, killing him instantly. Likewise, rather than fight Vriska immediately, he first follows her trail back to finish off the other trolls, since they're an easier target and still pose a threat.



* DualBoss: Becomes this with the Black King if she or her ring is not otherwise dealt with before he is engaged on the Battlefield.

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* DualBoss: Becomes this with the Black King in a normal session if she or her ring is not otherwise dealt with before he is engaged on the Battlefield.

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* CombatPragmatist: When he wants to be. Faced with an epic dual between him, Rose, and John, he... uses his teleportation power to warp behind John and stab him the back, killing him instantly. Likewise, rather than fight Vriska immediately, he first follows her trail back to finish off the other trolls, since they're an easier target and still pose a threat.

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* CombatPragmatist: When he wants to be. Faced with an epic dual dule between him, Rose, and John, he... uses his teleportation power to warp behind John and stab him the back, killing him instantly. Likewise, rather than fight Vriska immediately, he first follows her trail back to finish off the other trolls, since they're an easier target and still pose a threat.


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* DualBoss: Becomes this with the Black King if she or her ring is not otherwise dealt with before he is engaged on the Battlefield.
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* OrcusOnHisThrone: The Black Queen doesn't seem to do much besides look [[PerverseSexualLust sexy]] --REGAL! We meant regal, and harass [[TheDragon Jack]]. The King however, commands on the battlefield.
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* OmnicidalManiac: He'll kill anything that isn't Jade.

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* OmnicidalManiac: He'll kill anything that isn't Jade.Bec Noir after the death of (the original iteration of) Jade. He was already pretty stab-happy before, but this made him go on a rampage with the goal of destroying the universe and any other universe he could get his hands on.

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