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* ThudAndBlunder: Only 7 examples and 5 wicks. Named for a 1978 essay critiquing cliched fantasy writing, this seems to be defined as "RatedMForManly SwordAndSorcery, but bad."
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Might as well remove this


* AintTooProudToBeg: While roughly defined in the Laconic page as a hero or morally grey character at worst pleading before a powerful entity to go easy on them or someone close to them, it often gets used interchangeably with [[VillainsWantMercy villains]], on top of narrowing down begging to incredibly mild/petty pleas or even a character just saying something like "Come on...", "Please don't?" or a RapidFireNo. {{Administrivia/Pothole Magnet}}s are becoming increasingly common as well, and the TropeNamer just indicates general begging, which is undoubtedly the main issue.
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On the TRS queue.


* TheCretaceousIsAlwaysDoomed's laconic and description say it's about when time-travellers always happen to arrive on the day of major events, but possibly due to the name, there are plenty of examples about works that show the extinction of the dinosaurs with no time travel involved. [[Sandbox/TheCretaceousIsAlwaysDoomedWickCheck Wick check here.]] *
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Renamed by TRS recently


* CatSmile: Another ZCE-laden appearance trope. While the description does describe some character traits, most examples are just "[[Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs character makes a :3 face]]". *
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* SuperWeight appears to be intended for a JustForFun game for listing perceived power levels of characters. It would be redundant to various other tropes covering the power levels, such as MadeOfPlasticine for level -1. *



* SuperWeight appears to be intended for a JustForFun game for listing perceived power levels of characters. It would be redundant to various other tropes covering the power levels, such as MadeOfPlasticine for level -1. *
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* The HistoryOfAnimation pages: combines the histories of WesternAnimation (specifically American animation) and animation from other countries including {{Anime}} (specifically their impact in the west) with the tropes mostly focusing in the former. This makes it hard to distinct whether if some the tropes listed also applies to non-western animation. This is especially the case with UsefulNotes/TheMillenniumAgeOfAnimation as non-western animation like anime has been more well defined and distinctive from Western Animation during the era that it should probably have its own page regarding their history and tropes in the era (or perhaps make a useful notes page regarding the entire history of anime [=and/or=] their history in western culture). In addition, UsefulNotes/TheMillenniumAgeOfAnimation also has several tropes that fall under YMMV (with some hidden tropes that complain about the issues regarding the animated films and series during the era).

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* The HistoryOfAnimation pages: combines the histories of WesternAnimation (specifically American animation) and animation from other countries including {{Anime}} (specifically their impact in the west) with the tropes mostly focusing in the former. This makes it hard to distinct whether if some the tropes listed also applies to non-western animation. This is especially the case with UsefulNotes/TheMillenniumAgeOfAnimation MediaNotes/TheMillenniumAgeOfAnimation as non-western animation like anime has been more well defined and distinctive from Western Animation during the era that it should probably have its own page regarding their history and tropes in the era (or perhaps make a useful notes page regarding the entire history of anime [=and/or=] their history in western culture). In addition, UsefulNotes/TheMillenniumAgeOfAnimation MediaNotes/TheMillenniumAgeOfAnimation also has several tropes that fall under YMMV (with some hidden tropes that complain about the issues regarding the animated films and series during the era).
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* TheNeidermeyer: One of the few remaining "The X" tropes named after a character that isn't from mythology or classical literature. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16636476330.32569400 Image Pickin' thread]] indicated wide agreement that the name is unclear for people unfamiliar with ''Film/AnimalHouse''. *
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* GrandfatherClause: Is about audiences accepting something, or rejecting its absence, which is an audience reaction. Many examples are about how ''if'' a recent work did similar things, it would be criticized, which is subjective and speculation. *

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* GrandfatherClause: Is about audiences accepting something, or rejecting its absence, simply because it's expected to be there, which is an audience reaction. Many examples are about how ''if'' a recent work did similar things, it would be criticized, criticized (due to {{Narm}} or ValuesDissonance), which is subjective and speculation. *
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* GrandfatherClause: Is about audiences accepting something, or rejecting its absence, which is an audience reaction. Many examples are about how ''if'' a recent work did similar things, it would be criticized, which is subjective and speculation. *
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** PregnancyDoesNotWorkThatWay likewise uses “X Does Not Work That Way” which is also otherwise phased out.
** GunsDoNotWorkThatWay: Same as above.

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** PregnancyDoesNotWorkThatWay likewise uses “X Does Not Work That Way” which is also otherwise phased out.
out, even though it was created as recently as 2021.
** GunsDoNotWorkThatWay: Same as above. Survived [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1606355749064116000&page=1 a 2021 TRS thread with a rename crowner]], and the concern was raised there that “Artistic License - X” can itself be confusing, but renaming all the tropes that use it is probably not worth it.
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* CastingGag: Like IronyAsSheIsCast and ActorSharedBackground, this trope relies on out-of-universe context to know why a specific casting choice is a "gag". That makes it trivia, because it isn't a direct storytelling trope, and similar tropes are classified as such. It's [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/CastingGag commonly mistaken]] for a trivia trope, as well; around 500 of its ~2,800 wicks are in the trivia namespace. In addition, it is often confused with ActorAllusion.

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* CastingGag: Like IronyAsSheIsCast and ActorSharedBackground, this trope relies on out-of-universe context to know why a specific casting choice is a "gag". That makes it trivia, because it isn't a direct storytelling trope, and similar tropes are classified as such. It's [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/CastingGag commonly mistaken]] for a trivia trope, as well; around 500 of its ~2,800 wicks are in the trivia namespace. In addition, it is often confused with ActorAllusion. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1506039262085437400 A previous TRS thread]] was closed due the large amount of wicks (35000+) that ActorAllusion has for some examples to change into the CastingGag trope as well as a crowner glitch.
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* FamilyUnfriendlyViolence and FamilyUnfriendlyDeath: Both are about demographically-inappropriate violence in works aimed towards younger audiences, but are often used in place of "violence exists" or CruelAndUnusualDeath. It also may suffer from the same issues as WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids, in which works aimed towards children has their contents exaggerated to appear more dark than they actually are. The two tropes also seem to be redundant conceptually, with the only difference being that the latter requires outright death (which, in virtually all examples, involves physical violence).
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Both tropes have now been merged to become Lesson Of The Day Speech


* GoldenMoment and ScriptWank both seem to be the same "You know, I learned something today..." bit. *
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* ArentYouForgettingSomeone: The description is unfocused, as it only uses examples as theses for multiple scenarios. Having a StockPhrase title does not help matters for it. *
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* VideoGameFlamethrowersSuck is ScrappyWeapon, except that it's restricted to flamethrowers. Additionally, its name is a bad snowclone of VideoGameMoviesSuck. *
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* AnimatedMusical: Does this really need to be a separate trope from TheMusical? The only difference is that they're animated and should be a subpage of this instead. Also unclear whether if animated series (whether western animation or even a few anime) also count in this page (so far most examples are only animated films).

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* AnimatedMusical: Does this really need to be a separate trope from TheMusical? The only difference is that they're animated and should be a an "Animated Films" subpage of this TheMusical instead. Also Because of this, it's also unclear whether if animated series (whether western animation or even a few anime) also count in for this page (so far trope as most examples listed are only animated films).films.
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* AnimatedMusical: Does this really need to be a separate trope from TheMusical? The only difference is that they're animated and should be a subpage of this instead. Also unclear whether if animated series (whether western animation or even a few anime) also count in this page (so far most examples are only animated films).
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* EpistolaryNovel isn't significantly different from ScrapbookStory to justify having a separate trope. ScrapbookStory should be kept since it's older and has about a hundred more wicks, plus has a less-limiting name (someone might think EpistolaryNovel only applies to novels). *


* {{Hermaphrodite}}: This trope basically boils down to "a character is intersex" with no further requirements for story context or characterization. It could probably be turned into a useful note about the definition of intersex, given that most of the story-significant applications already fit on other tropes like NonHumanNonBinary and IntersexTribulations. *
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* MysteriousAnimalSenses: The page only allows aversions and subversions, but it's not listed on Administrivia/NoStraightExamplesPlease. As discussed [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=17032774440.22554600&page=1#comment-16 here]], the original draft was about two distinct concepts: animals having senses that were on par with humans, and animals having better senses than humans in all regards. *
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Using text to explain how two songs are similar is a skill apparently not possessed by most tropers, leading to massive violation of Administrivia/WeblinksAreNotExamples. A lot of times it is also used for ''deliberately'' similar songs, which goes under MusicalPastiche. *

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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Using text to explain how two songs are similar is a skill apparently not possessed by most tropers, leading to massive violation of Administrivia/WeblinksAreNotExamples. There are also two separate styles of misuse. A lot of times it is also times, it's used for ''deliberately'' similar songs, which goes under MusicalPastiche.MusicalPastiche. Other times, it's used for songs that aren't ''suspiciously'' similar -- as in "intended to sound like another song but legally distinct for copyright purposes" -- but simply share coincidental melodic similarities, more akin to JustForFun/SurprisinglySimilarStories. *

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* BreakUpToMakeUp: Has a confusing name unrelated to the trope's concept which is about a character finding their own self-worth after going through a break up. *
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* GorgeousGorgon: The definition is a monster that is said to be hideous in the work but is actually conventionally attracted. The description does a really good job talking about why and how it's used and how it can be played with. ''However'', the on-page descriptions are all almost universally misuse, either being redundant with CuteMonsterGirl, SexyDimorphism, or listing any appearance of {{Medusa}} where she isn't ugly with no context as to whether or not she should be. *

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* GorgeousGorgon: The definition is a monster that is said to be hideous in the work but is actually conventionally attracted.attractive. The description does a really good job talking about why and how it's used and how it can be played with. ''However'', the on-page descriptions are all almost universally misuse, either being redundant with CuteMonsterGirl, SexyDimorphism, or listing any appearance of {{Medusa}} where she isn't ugly with no context as to whether or not she should be. *

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* GorgeousGorgon: The definition is a monster that is said to be hideous in the work but is actually conventionally attracted. The description does a really good job talking about why and how it's used and how it can be played with. ''However'', the on-page descriptions are all almost universally misuse, either being redundant with CuteMonsterGirl, SexyDimorphism, or listing any appearance of {{Medusa}} where she isn't ugly with no context as to whether or not she should be. *



* NotAllowedToGrowUp is the essentially same trope as ComicBookTime, except that it requires the character who doesn't age to be a kid, which is Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific.

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* NotAllowedToGrowUp is the essentially same trope as ComicBookTime, except that it requires the character who doesn't age to be a kid, which is Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific. *
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* ProdigalFamily: 17 wicks for a 2008 trope. Can focus on name or unfocused description here.
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* NotAllowedToGrowUp is the essentially same trope as ComicBookTime, except that it requires the character who doesn't age to be a kid, which is Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific.
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** GunsDoNotWorkThatWay: Same as above.
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* BuryYourDisabled: Current definition is "disabled character dies", when the definition should be more specific akin to BuryYourGays (Which is when LGBT characters is specifically targeted for death). Many examples just mention disabled characters dying without much else, reflecting the current definition.
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** PregnancyDoesNotWorkThatWay likewise uses “X Does Not Work That Way” which is also otherwise phased out.

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I don’t want Artistic License Biology itself to be indexed here.



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