Discussion YMMV / StreetFighterV

Does Cammy's [[Gratuitous Engrish]] count as [[Most Annoying Sound]]? Cause hearing that when she is a very nasty [[Tier Induced Scrappy]] does not help especially her Critical Art

Not to mention that calling racism on the Street Fighter series is especially silly because practically all of the cast is some kind of absurd stereotype. Rashid happens to be one of the tamest examples and people actually praise him for having a very cool moveset and fighting style (I mean, he's literally an Air Bender). I'm willing to bet that he's even one of the more attractive characters in the cast.

As a Street Fighter fan, I find this topic interesting because people have commented how newcomer Rashid was made in "bad taste" in light of the 9/11 anniversary, yet no one batted an eye at the stereotypes the other Street Fighter characters represented (Chun-Li is all Chinese girls wearing "ox-horns" and a qipao, Guile represents all Americans in the military, T.Hawk is what a general Native American looks like, etc.).

I wholly agree with PDL; Rashid is really cool and his powers and moveset are awesome! And I really like that we are introducing so many diverse characters, which is basically the whole point of Street Fighter, since all you're doing is travelling around the world and meeting different fighters.

I don't think it's unjustified having the unfortunate implications there at all. People complaining about an Arabic character being revealed on 9/11 has some REALLY unfortunate implications, and it's a prominent enough complaint that I think it's worth a mention.

...Do you even realize that unfortunate implications requires citations, which I'm aware, doesn't exist because no news site had made any point to complain about Rashid's reveal date.

The complaining about complainers doesn't actually add anything. Adding the tidbit pretty much perpetuates the idea that Arabic people are inherently offensive and shouldn't exist in the media at all. Does TV Tropes complain about Japanese people every time Pearl Harbor's anniversary comes around? We don't. TV Tropes should have no interest in perpetuating the very Unfortunate Implications that you want to report on.

They couldn't have waited until the 12th?

He was specifically teased for, and shown, at a gaming event in Dubai, so not really.

I have no quarrel with a Muslim character, or their people. I don't blame them for terrorism, I blame Bin Laden or the new guy with ISIS, Al Asad or something. But to reveal it on 9/11? Ouch, just ouch. I wouldn't go as far as say it would rub salt in the wounds of those who lost their parents or anything but I can just see someone try and make something out of this.

It hurts, sure, but you really want to talk about something to get worked up over the content of Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, yay or nay? I pick nay, you play a terrorist fighting and recruiting Child Soldiers for crying out loud. What about discussing the five games that are going to kick all nine kinds of crap out of TPP? There are more important things to worry about than this, on a serious note making sure those who lost their families on that day are doing okay, trying to help those losing their families now. I think that would be more important than whether Rashid qualifies as UI.

9/11 was 14 years ago. Not to diminish it's tragedy, but you know there have been tons of other disasters and tragedies that have occurred during that period after 9/11 to now: The Germanwings 9525 plane crash (caused by a suicidal pilot and killed 150 on board), The 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami (death toll of 15,891), Sandy Hook school shootings (25 children and 6 staff members), and the 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake and Tsunami (final death toll of 280,000). These are just the ones that I can list off the top of my head.

To lament on 9/11 (death toll of 2,996) while diminishing all these other events that happened afterward is downright disgusting. The fact that this complaining is all caused by a character being revealed is makes it all the more terrible.

Please don't add Internet Backdraft or Unfortunate Implications regarding reveal dates.

EDIT: Made it less rude, but my point still stands, especially when there aren't any sources beyond a few fan's Twitter accounts.

Oh they're trying to make an issue of this, they are, but to the best of my knowledge none of them are 9/11 orphans who above all else would be entitled to voice their views on Rashid.

As it stands though..."Yo, I'd give The Phantom Pain a miss, save the dosh for the new Mirrors Edge or Hitman...wait, Rashid? Yeah that sucked and I think it sucks for those affected by 9/11, anyway you can make up divas again in WWE 2K16 so we'll see whether or not the franchise will die out after last year's disaster," taking nothing away from the terrorist attacks that's the long and short end of, I think, the sensible view we should have.

I have no idea what the bottom paragraph is about since I haven't played The Phantom Pain (nor do I plan to, I'll just watch a let's play later on...), nor am I familiar with WWE.

I just don't want to give Fandumb a podium, especially on TV tropes.

The TLDR version is while the character reveal on 9/11 may serve as a footnote if the SJW want to rail at things, well, what about some of the other stuff in gaming?

At this point, who actually cares about other gaming pages? This discussion page should be about it's own trope page.

Okay, well. Rashid being revealed on 9/11? Ow, but by the same token if this is the worst thing you can say about the character then they must be doing something right. To me he doesn't look like the atypical Muslim Jihadist, he looks like a Persian prince. In a way having a Arab good guy at this time is good timing, given that ISIS clearly do not care about Iraq or Syria and we should not be making that a race issue because it ain't. If anything his voice is getting more heat than when he was revealed. I think fans are being pretty mature about this given the context.

I think it's time to branch Tier Induced Scrappy to its own page, and separate it by season, since a character that was in one category may be in a completely different one in a later season.

I'm with the cut. For one, the entry is just... really a way better fit for Base-Breaking Character.

The problem with your analogy is that it seems like people disagree on whether she is Awesome Ego or not. In your ED example, the EIS and EIC aren't contentious. In this, it is.

Now, I have no idea over whether it actually is as contentious as it claims, but that's a shit writeup.

Then here's a better idea: let's discuss my "shit" writeup.

Karin is a very popular character, and if tournaments are anything to go by, very emulated in terms of her Noblewoman's Laugh. A lot of her popularity seems to come from how highly she thinks of herself and her lavish lifestyle.

The only reason I added the contention is because contention has, thanks to the Cinematic Story Mode just started recently appearing. Before that, she was widely beloved.

The problem is the writeup is discussing Base-Breaking Character, not Awesome Ego. Thus most of it natter.

I don't know or care about the work. But when over half of the entry is talking about how the item doesn't apply, that's a problem.

Then, like I said, let's discuss my "shit" writeup.

• Karin Kanzuki, as usual. She's evolved from the Rich Bitch she used to be in Alpha 3, now showing much more maturity and signs of compassion in addition to her snobbish personality. Fans who love her do so for this very reason, while her ego (and the Character Shilling she gets) are turn-offs to her detractors.

Does that improve the problem? It feels disingenuous to talk about her Awesome Ego without at least stating that there are people who don't like it.

So... now it doesn't even say anything about her ego being the source of her popularity at all. Ego only comes into play as a negative, making it seem like a shoehorn.

Wat.

• Karin Kanzuki, as usual. She's evolved from the Rich Bitch she used to be in Alpha 3, now showing much more maturity and signs of compassion in addition to her snobbish personality. Fans who love her do so for this very reason, while her ego (and the Character Shilling she gets) are turn-offs to her detractors.

Snobbish and ego are not the same thing. Moreover, even if they were, the writeup is phrased in a way to make it sound like fans are loving her for her evolution, not for her snobbishness (and in fact her moving away from it is the source of her popularity).

Well, since this is already pretty pedantic IMO, I'll point out that they ARE synonymous.

• Karin Kanzuki has been an Ensemble Dark Horse ever since her first appearance in a Sakura comic, with her popularity earning her a position in the roster as a Canon Immigrant in Alpha 3. Afterwards, her Noblewoman's Laugh became practically a meme unto itself and her snobbish attitude attracted tons of fans. She returned in SFV due to fan demand, and became even more popular when said game revealed that she evolved from a Rich Bitch, now showing much more maturity and signs of compassion while keeping the arrogance she's beloved for, even becoming a Breakout Character with real plot significance. Of course, her snobbishness (and the Character Shilling she gets) are turn-offs to her detractors.

Also, what I think we're not seeing eye to eye on is what makes someone "egotistical". Your statements convey that you believe her Rich Bitch persona being less well-received than her later Spoiled Sweet one means that people didn't like her ego. But that's semantics which assumes that being bitchy/mean is the same as having an ego, which certainly isn't true. Take, for example, the two different Dantes from Devil May Cry and the later reboot. One was beloved because he's an arrogant egomaniac but still heroic while the other (while still having some fans) is much less liked because he's not just arrogant, but smug and a downright asshole at times.

You know as well as I do that thesaurus.com is an awful source for synonyms. You wouldn't honestly think that "superior" and "snobbish" are interchangeable, would you?

But yes, this writeup is much better. I'm fine with that going in.

Again, I think the difference is pedantic. Here's Merriam-Webster, as close to an "official" dictionary as you can get, if that helps. And depending on the context, yes, I'd say they ARE.

"Karin carries herself with an air of superiority" and "Karin carries herself with an air of snobbery" both say pretty much the same thing. You could argue that each word has senses that the other would lack in a different context, but like I said that's really just pedantic and splitting hairs.

Just drop it. Your entry is fine enough, and this is hilariously pointless.

I don't like leaving loose ends in arguments. But, fine. I'm happy to end it.

Yeah, it kind of seemed like it was one or two editors feeling a bit too strongly about the subject.

But to give my opinion, I think the issue is less what Laura's wearing in her house (though her story mode still has her wearing it outside as well) and rather it's the fact that she's wearing it around her brother that's the problem, since both the Fetish Retardant and Squick entries emphasized that part.

So basically the disgust comes from some sort of incest angle that the game never implies.

I don't agree with it (I never even considered the implication until I saw the entry), especially with the emphasis seemingly implying that Sean is particularly young, when he's really just a teen (and is probably used to and doesn't care how his sister dresses). Personally, I just think it's more silly than anything (and pretty typical of the series). I also imagine that most of the people who find that outfit sexy won't be bothered too much by the "wears it around her brother" thing.

Agreed 100%.

See this link.

The trope/reaction wasn't added because the criticism is "accurate". It was added because the reaction EXISTS.

But why Porting Disaster if it has to do with stuff common to both versions?, why not a more appropriate listing? (like Christmas Rushed, except, from what I've heard is the case, EVO Rushed). I say that because, honestly, when support for DirectInput and (maybe) keyboard remapping gets patched in, it'll count more as a Polished Port because of the possible superior visual fidelity in an otherwise exactly same game.

Seconding what Kytseo said. Porting Disaster is being used too loosely here - most examples of it regardless of platform are usually ones featuring Game Breaking Bugs, poor performance or missing features that other versions have - basically a very inferior experience to other versions. This does not describe the PC version of SFV at all - the game is at worst equivalent to the PS 4 version from a core gameplay and included features standpoint and from a technological/visual standpoint, blows the PS 4 version out of the water. Keyboard remapping and DirectInput support, while expected features for PC games, do not dramatically affect this comparison in port quality - the PC version is still the superior version despite these features being MIA for the moment.

Christmas Rushed definitely fits the issues with the game better (although in this case it's be Capcom Pro Tour-and-end of the financial year rushed, but that's a bit much).

Well, alright then. Guess I was misinformed.