Discussion WesternAnimation / Wakfu

I'm fine with using the French name, as long as it is changed everywhere consistently. The fact that the English names vary between fansub and official translation would be a good reason enough to avoid it. (By everywhere I mean not just the Wakfu subpages, but also the trope pages where he's mentionned.)

Other translated names (like Ombrage/Shadofang) could then be changed too, to keep coherency.

I'm always supportive of using official English names if they're available. Ankama themselves named him Sadlygrove, and he is referred to as such in all of the English-language periphery material. I would stick to the French names (or obvious 1:1 translations, like the Justice Knight) in cases where we aren't given an official translation, but where the English names exist we have no reason not to use them. It has yet to cause anyone any confusion, so I'm not sure why this is an issue.

Official or not, it's still a quirk of localisation, and I think it's better to focus on the original material.

This is an English-language article, therefore any official English translations should take precedence over the French. "Sadlygrove" and "Tristepin" have almost identical meanings, so nothing is lost by continuing to refer to him by his English name. There's nothing wrong with localization, and certainly not when it's the creators of the original who are doing the localizing.

Don't get me wrong, I personally prefer the French names, but logically they only belong in the article as footnotes. But no one has reported having any problems with any characters' names in the past, so fighting for purism (especially when you're using the word "heresy" and comparing it to purism in other fandoms) is straying far too close to Fan Dumb for comfort. "Don't fix what ain't broke", as they say.

I would say there is something wrong with localisation done by creators when they arbitrarily change the name of one character (and none of the others) to make a pun that doesn't have much to do with his character (Attempting to fix what wasn't broke). I will concede for now, because my arguments are mostly non-quantifiable (Tristepin is a much cooler name), but I'd really like to see a few more opinions on this.

As I type this, there's a Kickstarter to dub the series into English, and the video at the top of the page has him introduce himself as "Sir Percidol", and Eva calls him "Percy". I think that's going to be the official English name, regardless of what previous attempts have called him.

Both seasons of the English dub are out, and the character is consistently referred to as "Ser Percidal of Sadlygrove", with the nickname "Dally". I suggest that all instances of "Sadlygrove" be changed to "Percidal", in the English dub this is inarguably his name and it doesn't make any sense to refer to him as "Sadlygrove".

Agreed, he's even called Percedal in Krosmaga and Krosmaster. I don't think we should be using fan names on this site.

I don't see a problem with it as long as it's on the video game page. I mean, Dofus has 3 different pages (one for the game, the series, and the movie) So I don't see why not

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you have to delete the ) for it to work

Kinda? Maybe not the mask itself, but the overall process of turning himself into a clockwork machine. In the pursuit of his goals he stripped away his flesh and replaced it with machine parts, but he also lost his compassion for other life - and some might even say it cost him his humanity.

Yeah, I'm not too sure either... I know Igole was his last link to his past life, but that doesn't make it a 'Moral Event Horizon'.

That would be a lot of changes, and a bit clunky in the end...

I'd rather suggest keeping first season episodes with the actual format, leaving "first season episode unless otherwise noted" unsaid. Season 2 episodes should be specified as such... I wouldn't be against counting up from 26, either, but it would have to be strictly enforced.

Use the format 'S 2 E 6' (eg. season 2, episode 6) perhaps?

Well, you can find plenty episodes subbed on Youtube, and most downloadable episodes (like, from Rapidshare or Megaupload) have subtitles. However, I think it would be against the local policy of the site to give direct links to copyrighted material.

A dubbed English version is starting to come out too. At least I've seen the first episode on Youtube.

Googling "wakfu english sub" comes up with many relevant results, try them first.

In response to the above, the "English dub" that has been circulating was a dummy-dub used to time the lipsynching animations. The official English dubbed version of the show is not in production; it hasn't even been licensed yet.

Google: "The Brotherhood of the Tofu". :)

(I know this is probably irrelevant to the question poster by now, but I'm posting anyway for the benefit of anyone else looking.)

Leave the s in. French language purists can still choose not to pronounce the 'S', English language purists can be happy we using the correct spelling.

I was going to agree with you, but even after the split some of those trope pages are really full (A-C, D-F, and S-U). Personally I would have cut it to 5 pages or 6, but I can't say that the move wasn't needed.

There are already separate sections at the bottom of the article for the special episodes and Spin-offs. By MMO, do you mean The Guardians? Then it already has a section there.

The real MMO. The one that was made in 2007 and what every subsequent piece of media is based on.

The game (also entitled simply Wakfu) has been given an official release date of February 2012, and is getting a giant marketing push in the US by no less than Square-Enix, so needing to separate the show's tropes from the game's tropes is becoming more urgent.

.... to be fair, it's been given "official" release dates plenty of times before, and none of them have stuck, but I have to imagine Square-Enix is breathing down their necks this time.

Are you talking about Kriss leaving the field to add suspense to the game or his "cough four times" cheat code? In either case I'd say that Kriss invoked Nice Job Fixing It, Villain, but for the first one I'd say that he made his team Willfully Weak via a Defensive Feint Trap.

I don't think that we have any tropes that describe exactly Kriss' actions in the Gobbowl game. Those are the closest I can come up with.

Yes, I was talking about the whole thing, but essentially that Kriss helped the good guys win more than anything else. Nice Job Fixing It, Villain would fit the closest, methinks. The part about cheating is a bit separate, and the heroes pretty much did the same by bribing Jay.

The only meaning I can find for Nox is that it's Latin for "night", so I don't think that Meaningful Name really applies. Googling Noximilien yields only the bonus episode, so his full name shouldn't have any particular meaning either.

On the subject, I doubt that they were intentional, but Yugo is Japanese for bravery, and Evangeline is an epic poem by Longfellow in which the eponymous character's lover dies in her arms.

Hopeless Suitor.

Eva thinks he's an egotistical dick with pig's breath and outright says the less she sees him the better. By the time he's actually introduced he's the "A" in a Type 4 Love Triangle with Eva as "B" and Grovy as "C".

A Romantic False Lead and Romantic Runner-Up both imply that the two were in a relationship at some point, which is not the case. Stalker with a Crush is a bit less clear. He was obviously very willing to badly maul Grovy, but I don't think he really knew about Grovy and Eva until toward the end of the fight in episode 19. And after that his main motive for hurting Grovy was the insult about his breath. A Stalker with a Crush requires morally questionable actions that are a part of the stalker's attempt to get with the person they are stalking. Armand did some nasty things, but they were mostly independent of his crush on Eva.

Yes, though the description of Hopeless Suitor implies more a suitor that is ignored rather than disliked, its examples indeed reach further than that.

Though Sadlygrove's reaction toward Armand involved jealousy, something more expected toward a Romantic False Lead. Then again, he's dumb and probably didn't realize Armand was no competition to begin with.

You forgot to mention Ruel and his GIGA DRILL.

To be honest, I think I knew that this was how it was going to end around Episode 22. That was probably the point at which it became the most obvious that he was the series' Kamina, and from that point on there was really only one way it could have ended.

But yeah, Manly Tears, man. Even Rubilax was sad.