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MasamiPhoenix
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07:32:26 PM May 20th 2014
I removed the following

I'm not sure how that is a phrase catch at all, when it's Olliver's catch phrase, and anybody who hears it pretty much isn't aroudn to hear it again. My only guess is that they are refering to the fact that it has been said to Oliver once or twice, but that's not enough to make it a Phrase Catch, particularly since it's always used as an Ironic Echo.
tingitania
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08:07:27 AM Feb 8th 2014
I've done a rewrite for Waif-Fu, since there are clearly far more aversions than there are characters who play it straight - also, there were non-context examples and I'm not entirely sure the previous writers were sure what the trope entailed (Sarah is a waif???)

There's still one character I'm not sure about, and that's Shado. Previous writer listed her as playing this straight, but as a Non Context Example. Now, Laconic defines Waif-Fu as "Tiny girl delivers titanic ass-kicking through the use of an improbably gymnastic style of martial arts." Shado is indeed tiny, and she can indeed kick some ass, but is her fighting style improbably gymnastic?
luccifferr
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06:39:05 AM Jan 1st 2014
  • This review may contain spoilers ***

Its evident to be announced that H I V E is the organization behind fyres and the ones who ordered the contract of dig's brother to dead-shot(Floyd Lawton)....

And Felicity was once a vital/resourceful member of H I V E.

Some past is going to interfere the present life of the team arrow.

Felicity looses the faith she earned from her teammates...

She is being hunted by her former employes will Oliver abandon her or come for her rescue...

And what happens aftermath?....

Why was felicity serving under HIVE and why is she blacklisted on ARGUS database and moreover what does she have to do with new cases of hacking and Cyber phishing frequently reported thought the city...

And why does the DA accuses Felicity on her involvement... How will the case hearing go.

More conspiracies and who is the man behind curtain what are his intentions and what is his connection to Rah's AL gul .
surgoshan
09:48:01 AM Jan 1st 2014
Should all this be under WMG?
tryharder34
04:52:00 PM Jan 15th 2014
edited by 125.237.149.161
Wonder why it's all through here and the character discussion forum?
zwolfp
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10:37:57 PM Nov 20th 2013
Should we add Brother-Sister Incest now because of Thea's crush on Tommy
YourObedientSerpent
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12:46:54 PM Oct 19th 2013
edited by 50.148.190.208
Someone listed Malcolm Merlyn as a Well-Intentioned Extremist with a Freudian Excuse?

The rationale of his "Undertaking" is "Let's slaughter thousands of have-nots to make life better for the haves". That really stretches the definition of "Good Intentions".
luccifferr
06:35:57 AM Jan 1st 2014
  • This review may contain spoilers ***

Its evident to be announced that H I V E is the organization behind fyres and the ones who ordered the contract of dig's brother to dead-shot(Floyd Lawton)....

And Felicity was once a vital/resourceful member of H I V E.

Some past is going to interfere the present life of the team arrow.

Felicity looses the faith she earned from her teammates...

She is being hunted by her former employes will Oliver abandon her or come for her rescue...

And what happens aftermath?....

Why was felicity serving under HIVE and why is she blacklisted on ARGUS database and moreover what does she have to do with new cases of hacking and Cyber phishing frequently reported thought the city...

And why does the DA accuses Felicity on her involvement... How will the case hearing go.

More conspiracies and who is the man behind curtain what are his intentions and what is his connection to Rah's AL gul .
tryharder34
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05:36:07 PM Aug 9th 2013
edited by 122.60.160.230
(no longer necessary)
RobinHood3000
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10:58:04 PM May 21st 2013
Should Slade's name really be in spoiler tags? He appeared reasonably early on, has been in almost every island flashback since, and has even been referred to a couple times by name.
FrGemini
07:51:01 AM May 24th 2013
It's mostly because of the twist about him actually not being the guy thought to be Deathstroke at first, to keep the secret for comic book fans who for some reason have not seen the series yet.
luccifferr
06:36:17 AM Jan 1st 2014
  • This review may contain spoilers ***

Its evident to be announced that H I V E is the organization behind fyres and the ones who ordered the contract of dig's brother to dead-shot(Floyd Lawton)....

And Felicity was once a vital/resourceful member of H I V E.

Some past is going to interfere the present life of the team arrow.

Felicity looses the faith she earned from her teammates...

She is being hunted by her former employes will Oliver abandon her or come for her rescue...

And what happens aftermath?....

Why was felicity serving under HIVE and why is she blacklisted on ARGUS database and moreover what does she have to do with new cases of hacking and Cyber phishing frequently reported thought the city...

And why does the DA accuses Felicity on her involvement... How will the case hearing go.

More conspiracies and who is the man behind curtain what are his intentions and what is his connection to Rah's AL gul .
MithrandirOlorin
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05:16:40 PM Apr 24th 2013
Diggle just said the exact words "That's Terrible"
MrDeath
07:01:51 AM Apr 25th 2013
So?
luccifferr
06:36:27 AM Jan 1st 2014
  • This review may contain spoilers ***

Its evident to be announced that H I V E is the organization behind fyres and the ones who ordered the contract of dig's brother to dead-shot(Floyd Lawton)....

And Felicity was once a vital/resourceful member of H I V E.

Some past is going to interfere the present life of the team arrow.

Felicity looses the faith she earned from her teammates...

She is being hunted by her former employes will Oliver abandon her or come for her rescue...

And what happens aftermath?....

Why was felicity serving under HIVE and why is she blacklisted on ARGUS database and moreover what does she have to do with new cases of hacking and Cyber phishing frequently reported thought the city...

And why does the DA accuses Felicity on her involvement... How will the case hearing go.

More conspiracies and who is the man behind curtain what are his intentions and what is his connection to Rah's AL gul .
88
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09:13:03 AM Mar 6th 2013
Large Ham for Helena? I'm not sure I see that. Its worth noting that the character is in somewhat larger than life situations. She shows just as many moments of being sedate and quietly dramatic, and there's not much of it that I would call over-the-top.
luccifferr
06:36:50 AM Jan 1st 2014
  • This review may contain spoilers ***

Its evident to be announced that H I V E is the organization behind fyres and the ones who ordered the contract of dig's brother to dead-shot(Floyd Lawton)....

And Felicity was once a vital/resourceful member of H I V E.

Some past is going to interfere the present life of the team arrow.

Felicity looses the faith she earned from her teammates...

She is being hunted by her former employes will Oliver abandon her or come for her rescue...

And what happens aftermath?....

Why was felicity serving under HIVE and why is she blacklisted on ARGUS database and moreover what does she have to do with new cases of hacking and Cyber phishing frequently reported thought the city...

And why does the DA accuses Felicity on her involvement... How will the case hearing go.

More conspiracies and who is the man behind curtain what are his intentions and what is his connection to Rah's AL gul .
reno2200
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11:00:40 AM Mar 2nd 2013
Would it count as a stealth pun that Deadshot wasn't dead... he was just hiding and before he gets back into the field... he gets patched up? Because... it's a patch. Over where he got hurt. Heh.
luccifferr
06:37:06 AM Jan 1st 2014
  • This review may contain spoilers ***

Its evident to be announced that H I V E is the organization behind fyres and the ones who ordered the contract of dig's brother to dead-shot(Floyd Lawton)....

And Felicity was once a vital/resourceful member of H I V E.

Some past is going to interfere the present life of the team arrow.

Felicity looses the faith she earned from her teammates...

She is being hunted by her former employes will Oliver abandon her or come for her rescue...

And what happens aftermath?....

Why was felicity serving under HIVE and why is she blacklisted on ARGUS database and moreover what does she have to do with new cases of hacking and Cyber phishing frequently reported thought the city...

And why does the DA accuses Felicity on her involvement... How will the case hearing go.

More conspiracies and who is the man behind curtain what are his intentions and what is his connection to Rah's AL gul .
DaibhidC
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05:20:25 AM Feb 26th 2013
edited by DaibhidC
I pulled this one from Adaptation Dye-Job

  • (Dinah) Laurel Lance has brunette hair, while her comics counterpart is famously blonde.

Dinah Lance in the comics is a natural brunette. When she had a secret identity, she wore a wig as Black Canary, then in the Birds of Prey era she was BC full time, so she dyed it.
luccifferr
06:37:22 AM Jan 1st 2014
  • This review may contain spoilers ***

Its evident to be announced that H I V E is the organization behind fyres and the ones who ordered the contract of dig's brother to dead-shot(Floyd Lawton)....

And Felicity was once a vital/resourceful member of H I V E.

Some past is going to interfere the present life of the team arrow.

Felicity looses the faith she earned from her teammates...

She is being hunted by her former employes will Oliver abandon her or come for her rescue...

And what happens aftermath?....

Why was felicity serving under HIVE and why is she blacklisted on ARGUS database and moreover what does she have to do with new cases of hacking and Cyber phishing frequently reported thought the city...

And why does the DA accuses Felicity on her involvement... How will the case hearing go.

More conspiracies and who is the man behind curtain what are his intentions and what is his connection to Rah's AL gul .
reno2200
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03:57:17 AM Feb 7th 2013
Detective Lance... Cowboy Cop? In Betrayal, he uses his daughter as bait in an attempt to capture the vigilante before that ends in an Epic Fail with his daughter getting taken hostage because of the association that she had with the vigilante being known through news coverage of said Epic Fail. He then goes on to almost kill the guy that kidnapped her, only being stopped by the vigilante (who he hates because 'The Hood' kills people without mercy or hesitation.) "I'm the vigilante. You're the cop." Coming from the vigilante he's hunting, it's quite a What the Hell, Hero? moment for the detective.

Basically, he's a cop that broke the rules in this episode. First, he couldn't care less about his daughter so long as he got his target. Then he couldn't care less about the rules when he conspired with a wanted man and tried to murder someone. He was a jerkass, sure, but he's a cop. So I thought a cop trope might fit. If not, am I just thumping a square peg hopelessly into a round trope because he's a cop and 'jerkass' is perfectly suitable?
luccifferr
06:37:35 AM Jan 1st 2014
  • This review may contain spoilers ***

Its evident to be announced that H I V E is the organization behind fyres and the ones who ordered the contract of dig's brother to dead-shot(Floyd Lawton)....

And Felicity was once a vital/resourceful member of H I V E.

Some past is going to interfere the present life of the team arrow.

Felicity looses the faith she earned from her teammates...

She is being hunted by her former employes will Oliver abandon her or come for her rescue...

And what happens aftermath?....

Why was felicity serving under HIVE and why is she blacklisted on ARGUS database and moreover what does she have to do with new cases of hacking and Cyber phishing frequently reported thought the city...

And why does the DA accuses Felicity on her involvement... How will the case hearing go.

More conspiracies and who is the man behind curtain what are his intentions and what is his connection to Rah's AL gul .
MithrandirOlorin
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01:55:27 AM Dec 15th 2012
edited by MithrandirOlorin
I think by early in Season 2 a full Five-Man Band will be assembled.

Oliver is The Leader / The Hero obviously

while Diggs is serving as his Lancer now, once other main characters have moved into their future Heroic identities he'll be demoted to The Big Guy and Laurel will be The Lancer.

Felicity will by The Smart Guy with a sort of pseudo Oracle role, like Chloe in latter seasons of Smallville

And Thea will be The Chick / Tagalong Kid

A direct inversion of Two Girls to a Team, kind of suits the CW

And Helena will have a recurring semi hostile relationship with them as their Sixth Ranger
reno2200
05:08:45 AM Dec 16th 2012
Laurel... as The Lancer... heh. I think they'll leave it a while before they make her Black Canary, though. Or just Canary. Arrow no likey the colours. Agreed on most of these, but Thea is a sticking point. They're adding in Roy Harper a.k.a. Speedy (yeah, another one) as someone about Thea's age (rumoured love interest) so there's a good change he'll be in the Tagalong Kid position.
MithrandirOlorin
12:44:01 PM Dec 17th 2012
If Roy is their Speedy first, he'd be Lancer material.
reno2200
07:02:30 PM Jan 30th 2013
They're really pushing Thea as Speedy. Within minutes of Oliver calling Thea 'Speedy' they revealed that her full name is Thea Dearden Queen. Why didn't they just call her Mia to begin with?
luccifferr
06:38:05 AM Jan 1st 2014
  • This review may contain spoilers ***

Its evident to be announced that H I V E is the organization behind fyres and the ones who ordered the contract of dig's brother to dead-shot(Floyd Lawton)....

And Felicity was once a vital/resourceful member of H I V E.

Some past is going to interfere the present life of the team arrow.

Felicity looses the faith she earned from her teammates...

She is being hunted by her former employes will Oliver abandon her or come for her rescue...

And what happens aftermath?....

Why was felicity serving under HIVE and why is she blacklisted on ARGUS database and moreover what does she have to do with new cases of hacking and Cyber phishing frequently reported thought the city...

And why does the DA accuses Felicity on her involvement... How will the case hearing go.

More conspiracies and who is the man behind curtain what are his intentions and what is his connection to Rah's AL gul .
QuantumReality
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10:51:46 PM Dec 14th 2012
What Happened to the Mouse?: Thea's drug abuse hasn't been mentioned since episode one.

I seem to recall it has been tangentially brought up in other episodes.
JRPictures
12:00:27 AM Dec 15th 2012
In that case remove it
luccifferr
06:38:20 AM Jan 1st 2014
  • This review may contain spoilers ***

Its evident to be announced that H I V E is the organization behind fyres and the ones who ordered the contract of dig's brother to dead-shot(Floyd Lawton)....

And Felicity was once a vital/resourceful member of H I V E.

Some past is going to interfere the present life of the team arrow.

Felicity looses the faith she earned from her teammates...

She is being hunted by her former employes will Oliver abandon her or come for her rescue...

And what happens aftermath?....

Why was felicity serving under HIVE and why is she blacklisted on ARGUS database and moreover what does she have to do with new cases of hacking and Cyber phishing frequently reported thought the city...

And why does the DA accuses Felicity on her involvement... How will the case hearing go.

More conspiracies and who is the man behind curtain what are his intentions and what is his connection to Rah's AL gul .
reno2200
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07:13:35 PM Dec 12th 2012
Would it count as The Reveal when the other archer in Starling City is revealed to be Tommy Merlyn's father, Malcolm? It wasn't exactly drawn out (Dramatic Hour Long format, with his face being shown within the episode it was first concealed in) and there was hefty foreshadowing in Tommy Merlyn's surname being the same as a Green Arrow villain and his father being Obviously Evil...
JRPictures
07:22:44 PM Dec 12th 2012
It was built up a little with the last name but no one saw John Barrowman's character as being Tommy's Dad and the Dark Archer. So it's a mixed bag.
luccifferr
06:38:31 AM Jan 1st 2014
  • This review may contain spoilers ***

Its evident to be announced that H I V E is the organization behind fyres and the ones who ordered the contract of dig's brother to dead-shot(Floyd Lawton)....

And Felicity was once a vital/resourceful member of H I V E.

Some past is going to interfere the present life of the team arrow.

Felicity looses the faith she earned from her teammates...

She is being hunted by her former employes will Oliver abandon her or come for her rescue...

And what happens aftermath?....

Why was felicity serving under HIVE and why is she blacklisted on ARGUS database and moreover what does she have to do with new cases of hacking and Cyber phishing frequently reported thought the city...

And why does the DA accuses Felicity on her involvement... How will the case hearing go.

More conspiracies and who is the man behind curtain what are his intentions and what is his connection to Rah's AL gul .
Gamecubist
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08:59:48 PM Dec 2nd 2012
How is anyone a Badass Normal in this show when nobody has superpowers?
88
03:20:25 PM Dec 5th 2012
Excellent point. I'll change the entries to just Badass.
ztyran
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07:20:18 PM Nov 10th 2012
The Russian Arrow knows as part of his Charles Atlas Superpower may be wrong. They establish in episode one his cook is Russian and he's close to her. It's not to far off that he learned some from her.
nielas
08:00:48 PM Nov 10th 2012
In the pilot the maid is visibly surprised when he addresses her in Russian. His best friend is just as surprised.
ztyran
09:00:53 PM Nov 15th 2012
It could just be that she didn't think he still knew what she tried to teach him. Not to mention during a life of looking for Babes, questions about what languages one knows don't usually come up.
KyleJacobs
09:05:35 PM Nov 15th 2012
Unless of course Ollie saw "BILLIONAIRE ABSCONDS WITH ENTIRE RUSSIAN BALLET" in the papers and started getting ideas.
luccifferr
06:38:49 AM Jan 1st 2014
  • This review may contain spoilers ***

Its evident to be announced that H I V E is the organization behind fyres and the ones who ordered the contract of dig's brother to dead-shot(Floyd Lawton)....

And Felicity was once a vital/resourceful member of H I V E.

Some past is going to interfere the present life of the team arrow.

Felicity looses the faith she earned from her teammates...

She is being hunted by her former employes will Oliver abandon her or come for her rescue...

And what happens aftermath?....

Why was felicity serving under HIVE and why is she blacklisted on ARGUS database and moreover what does she have to do with new cases of hacking and Cyber phishing frequently reported thought the city...

And why does the DA accuses Felicity on her involvement... How will the case hearing go.

More conspiracies and who is the man behind curtain what are his intentions and what is his connection to Rah's AL gul .
nielas
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11:08:07 AM Oct 26th 2012
Could the people involved in the edit war over Moral Dissonance stop it already.
DreamSmith
12:42:22 PM Oct 26th 2012
My apologies if it's annoying, but sadly the answer is no. 88 seems inexplicably hurt by the idea of the hero (or the show?) being less than perfectly perfect... or at least that's what I infer from their actions, since they give no explanation for the deletion. I happen to feel that the trope is not only well-supported by what we've seen, it's also important to have this profound dissonance pointed out, as it speaks to the very core of the main character and the show. That being the case, I'll not allow it to be excised simply because someone can't handle it being on the page. Again, my apologies for the continued back and forth.
HoosierJedi
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03:19:30 AM Oct 25th 2012
Is it really fair to label Diggle the "Token Minority" when there are also two black supporting characters; Walter and Quiton's partner?
JRPictures
12:54:51 PM Oct 25th 2012
No I don't think so.
MithrandirOlorin
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05:37:06 PM Oct 17th 2012
Might be presumptive, but from the 2nd episode I'm thinking Ollie's Bodyguard is the Worf Effect.
JRPictures
06:26:31 PM Oct 17th 2012
What makes you say that?
MithrandirOlorin
08:21:25 AM Oct 18th 2012
Kelly Hu kicking him around
JRPictures
01:05:51 PM Oct 18th 2012
I'd at least give it another episode. Kelly Hu would kick a lot of people's assess.
DreamSmith
10:58:18 AM Oct 23rd 2012
I'm not sure I see this AT ALL. The Worf Effect describes someone who is known in-universe as an incredible badass, who then suffers defeats as a shorthand method of establishing another character's badassery. Diggle, up until he managed to shoot the mooks threatening Laurel and Oliver, had not actually DONE anything. True, he has the credentials of a hard, dangerous man, but so far that's mostly an informed attribute. China White's trouncing of him does more to reinforce the latter than play off the former as an example of the W-E. Given a few more displays of actual competence and fierceness, I can very easily see Diggle earning his Worf-ness... but so far he has not. I'm still not going to delete or change the entry, but I reallyreally feel it's premature to call it that.
Malchus
08:54:11 PM Oct 24th 2012
Worf Effect also means that the "Worf" in question has long been established as a badass. Given that this is still the start of the series, yes, it's way too premature.
ztyran
12:22:30 PM Nov 18th 2012
My view on the few Trick Arrows he uses are that the tech is just a few years ahead of their time. The hacking arrow for instance is just an arrow with a modified usb port and bluetooth tech. Not to mention the audio recorder arrow could just have the mic in it while the dart is that actual recording source. We also have to take into account what might be in the book Ollie was given. I'm sure it probably has more then a list of those part of the conspiracy we've seen so far. Not to mention The Queen Industries R&D department might be missing a few prototypes.
MithrandirOlorin
01:51:56 AM Dec 15th 2012
Worf was an implied Basass at his introduction due to being a Klingon, same with Diggs due to being a Body Gaurd/War Vet.
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