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Should we have an evaluation on what should be considered spoilers on these pages? I think things from the first season like Eren being a Titan Shifter and the identity of the Female Titan should be left unmarked. Maybe things from the second season as well.
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I completely agree and I was just coming over to ask. This is a story where pretty much every chapter is a spoiler, so it gets hard to talk about it.
Find the Light in the Dark
Should we make the Escape From Certain Death page here
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People really need to stop posting unmarked spoilers, especially the ones about everything from the basement onwards, like Marley and Eldia, Owl/Eren Kruger. It's funny how in some entries the fact that Eren is a Titan Shifter is treated as a spoiler yet details relating to the aforementioned will be staring me in the face as I scroll down.
So are we going to make pages for the spin-off media like the films, visual novels, games, etc?
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Speaking of which there is now a tentative page for the 2016 game
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And now there is a page for the film
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Something random with weasels and birds
Doesn't anyone know about the brand new Koei game that's coming out? http://koei.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_on_Titan
Once more, it's another series with coincidental VA sharing. Yuuki Kaji as three different Koei-based characters and Hiroshi Kamiya as well (two of them also have the same ENG VA, being Law and Levi).
A crazy guy who's researched voice actor resumes on the Japanese anime side :P
I think we should give the Choice With No Regrets spin-off its own page. Anyone else?
I don't get paid enough to do this shit.
The trope lists surely look much less impressive, once you realize that very-very much (if not everything) of character page material is duplicated in the main list.
This is a wrong order of things.
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I am guessing extreme entry pimping.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I think it's worth noting that the Female Titan arc initially had many people suspecting not only Annie, but Christa as the female titan and the reasonings behind it. Only thing is, I can't seem to find a trope to apply to it other than "jossed at this point" and I'm not sure which tab to put it on. Help?
Anyone want to start a page of memorable quotes from the series? As in, Quotes.Attack On Titan
I already got two in mind: one of Pixis' rousing speeches and Eren's monologue before plugging Trost's hole (both from the dub).
"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
I know there's heaps of discussions about weather it's "Sie sind das Essen und wir sind die Jäger" or "Seid ihr das Essen? Nein, wir sind die Jäger", but in any case it needs to be "DIE Jäger". The lines clearly say "wir", which is we and thus plural, meaning that the following noun also must be plural to be grammatically correct. Thus, it cannot be "der Jäger", it must be "die Jäger". Wacky Japanese writing aside, I just can't see my native tongue mangled like that, so I changed it.
When did we find out that the coordinate was the ability to mind control anyone, not just titans?
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Right now, it's just a theory that Erwin is betting on, presumably as a last resort to ensure the coup's success. In Chapter 54, the fact that Historia's friend can alter memories is the one big hint that mind controlling people is not out of the question.
I did it for the art.
Is the stinger of the page an actual reference to something in the series? Because if it isn't, there is no excuse for me not to correct that since it makes absolutely no sense in German whatsoever ... even Google translate would probably do a better job at translating the English sentence in the notes :S
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It comes from the second anime opening, so it's probably inaccurate because, well, it was written by a Japanese songwriter.
OK, so I'll just correct the spelling and leave the malformed grammar be, so as not to change the basic structure of the verse.
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Can we please add a separate page for the anime only (or a separate tab at least)? It doesn't seem fair for people who want to read tropes for it but don't want to be spoiled by events from the manga.
Someone unmarked Eren's ability to transform into a titan as spoilers on the character page. I'm aware of the warning of unmarked spoilers, but should we really leave that be?
Should Bertrolt and Annie's actions as the colossal and female titans be considered a Moral Event Horizon? The reason I'm not considering Reiner is because he didn't take part in the second attack, only the first one, when he was a child and still unaware of the suffering he was really causing. However, Bert and Annie had time to grow up and to rethink their motives.
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A moral event horizon is an absolute mark that this character has no chance of being redeemable. As horrible as their actions were, all three are still kids and are still capable of feeling regret and being genuinely kind, especially to each other (well, reiner and bert anyways). I do not believe they have crossed the horizon... yet.
I did it for the art.
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The Live Action Film may in fact be going ahead.
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/12/04/live-action-attack-on-titan-gets-release-date-new-director/
Should characters like Isabel and Farlan who were introduced in the Levi spin-off be included on this page? "A Choice With No Regret" is an official prologue to the main series.
I did it for the art.
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Seriously, are we going to actually discuss what the first verse of the first opening is actually saying? Here— I'll start.
I've played this song over 9000 times and the only thing I'm hearing is "Sie sind das Essen und wir sind die Jäger!". Even without making out the entire verse, I can tell that midway, they're saying "und" as opposed to "nein", not to mention that given the way that the verse is said, it's doesn't even sound like a question is being posed. It sounds like one continuous sentence.
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I agree completely. This song-line-changing shenanigan is getting pretty annoying, and you can quite clearly hear that whatever is said in the song, it's not "nein".
So, apparently, the official lyric book says what it keeps being changed into. While I keep listening to it in slow motion, I notice that the first two words in the line are so much blurred that all that can be told from it is that it starts with the letter "S". I'm still hearing a distinct "und", and I'm not sure if saying "Are you the prey no we are the hunters" as is makes any inflectional sense— because that's essentially what's happening if what the caption that's currently being used is what is actually being said. In addition to that, the generally accepted line among the fandom is "Sie sind das Essen und wir sind die Jäger!".
I'm not sure if I want to change it again now. The other options are to reach a consensus with either one of the phrasings or to remove it entirely. But, instead of responding via editing reasons, I think it'd be much more preferable to actually discuss this in the discussion page here.
(On a side note, this might count as a Base Breaker.)
On a side note, no matter which version of the line is correct, shouldn't we at least put up the correct translation for it? "Essen" just isn't "prey", but "food", even though in the non-official version of the line "prey" which is "Beute" in German would make a lot more sense.
I guess we can put it in as a disclaimer in the hottip.
(For the record, "Beute" would make more sense in either one of these versions of the line...)
So now Eren also has the power to control titans on top of transforming into one. I don't mind so much, because I think there needs to be something extra that makes him valuable to other people like him. Why else would they be so desperate to get him alive? Still, brace for another wave of "DEUS EX MACHINA I CALL BULL!"
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Although, there IS a foreseeable problem with this. Or two.
A) Eren, over the course of the series, goes from a military soldier wants to kill all of the titans to someone who can TRANSFORM into a Titan to a valuable asset for humanity that needs to be protected at all costs to Princess Peach. Or something along the lines of that. What I'm getting at is that his actually doing stuff, considering that he's actually the main protagonist, is dwindling steadily. That isn't exactly the greatest to reveal something like this, and I don't think it's supposed to be the protagonist that should have such a power.
B) Where does the conflict come from now if Eren can command titans?
I don't think it'll render the story to crap IF the mangaka can pull it off.
I actually really hate it when it's not the protagonist who winds up with the key, game-chainging power, because then the story isn't as much about them as it is about their journey with the person who has the power.
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Changed the picture quote. There's actually a fair amount of debate on what's actually being said in the opening, but what was originally there ("Sind sie das Essen? Nein, wir sind die Jäger!" A) doesn't make any conceptual sense when translated (when translated right, anyhow; sie=they), and B) doesn't even seem to be what's said in the song because of lack of proper inflection.
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Or, maybe we should omit my point A.
My other points still stands firmly, though.
Should the mere existence of the Rogue and Female Titans be spoiler material? While I support spoiler-marking anything that reveals their identities or shifting abilities, I don't think the fact that there are unique Titans is spoiler material - the Colossal and Armored Titan characters are established in the first chapter/episode.
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The Female Titan is referenced ten times without spoilers on the main page. I'm unmarking entries referencing her existence. I won't touch identity issues and plot points, obviously.
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Since Christa scored her first Titan kill in chapter 49, the Faux Action Girl entry should be changed (since it says that we haven't seen her fight). But I don't know what to change it to.
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The entry itself is about averting the trope, with Mikasa and Annie as examples. The entire Krista line may as well be cut, as it only detracts from the point now, rather than serving as a counterbalance. (One kill doesn't seem that impressive, but keep in mind that she now has as many human-on-Titan kills as Eren does - and if memory serves me correctly, still more than Sasha and Connie.)
Compared to all the actual plot-changing twists in this series, should the events of Mikasa's backstory still be considered spoiler material? It would be nice if there were a few articles not covered in white bars on the page.
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The Limping Chaos
Do any of you think that the anime's opening theme would qualify as a "Bragging Theme Tune?"
I mean, what sold me on that was the chorus practically shouting "JAEGAR" at the segment when Eren slices through that blonde titan's neck. Calling Eren "The Crimson Hunter" also kind of helped. Along with the lyrics being surprisingly reflective of Eren's viewpoints (his belief that humanity has grown lazy and is living in a gilded cage and whatnot.)
I'm pretty inexperienced with editing the wiki, so if any of you want to pick up on this and add it to the index, then please do. :D
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A Bragging Theme Tune is about how awesome the protagonist is; Guren no Yumiya is more like a rallying song, there's no actual praise being afforded to anyone.
Fair enough.
"It is better to be good than evil. However, one achieves goodness at a terrific cost." -Stephen King
Actually, the more I think about it, it's more like a You Suck song. The whole thing is basically urging humans to get off their butts and fight even if everybody else is being sheep about it. Is there a trope for that? Shaming Theme Tune, something to that effect?
The full version goes on to mention Eren by name in one of the later verses. It's specifically about him and his motives during the first season. However, since this only becomes apparent in parts of the song not used in the opening credits, I'm not sure if this actually helps any.
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- Le Parkour: Soldiers combine this with Steampunk-style boosters on the legs, allowing them to jump around with superhuman speed and agility.
The 3D Maneuvering System is more accurately described as a pair of gas-powered grappling hooks that allow for Building Swing. There is a booster, but it's located at the small of the back and used mid-air to power through swings. There are a couple of ambiguous panels in the manga where the scabbard/gas tank assembly could be misconstrued as somehow assisting with jumps, but the anime is extremely clear that this is more Steampunk Spider Man than Le Parkour.
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I actually think it applies, as the 3DM system involves not only actively building swinging, but also employing Parkour techniques to get around. This is especially clear when you've got them moving across roof tops without using their gas, or during the training exam when Conny is hopping across closely-clustered branches.
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Ok, I wonder where in the world the Meaningful Name list came from. For example, Eren Jaeger is listed as "Holy Hunter"; Google translate says that it instead translates to "Older Hunters". Same with Reiner, which doesn't mean "Counselor/Warrior", but "Pure". In effect, Reiner Braun is Pure Brown.
If there are any German-speaking tropers out there, your input would be greatly appreciated.
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Since I posted it, here we go.
Eren: Turkish in origin, means "Holy or Saint".
Reiner: From the Old Germanic, Ragnar or Rainer. The roots are "Counselor/Advisor" and "Warrior", with the name these days typically meaning "Deciding Warrior".
I hope that clears up the confusion. In general, it seems like direct translation isn't a good way to go about dealing with names, since they tend to work differently from normal words. Many have roots or origins in different languages, or older variations of the same language, or are simply a variant of a different name. (Like how Reiner's name is a modern version of an Old Norse name or Jean is a French variant of the Hebrew Jehan/John.)
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Removed the following as it doesn't seem to apply:
- Le Parkour: Soldiers combine this with Steampunk-style boosters on the legs, allowing them to jump around with superhuman speed and agility.
The 3D Maneuvering System is more accurately described as a pair of gas-powered grappling hooks that allow for Building Swing. There is a booster, but it's located at the small of the back and used mid-air to power through swings. There are a couple of ambiguous panels in the manga where the scabbard/gas tank assembly could be misconstrued as somehow assisting with jumps, but the anime is extremely clear that this is more Steampunk Spider Man than Le Parkour.
Should we change the names of three divisions of the military(Scouting Legion, Military Police, Stationary Troops) to the official translation from Kodansha(Survey Corp, Military Police Brigade, Garrison)?
- Greek Mythology: The manga draws inspiration from Greek mythology, specifically the part when the Titan Kronos swallows his children in order that they not overthrow him.
Is Word of God really said that ? Otherwise, it's just a assumption and not a trope, since no hint are provided by the manga. Giants eaten humans isn't a plot limited to greek mythology.
I think we should add a tearjeaker page. Based on what kind of series this and the popularity it now has due to the anime.
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Should we change the page title to "Attack on Titan" now that that's the official english language release title?
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It's already a redirect though. "Attack on Titan" seems to be the exact opposite of "Shingeki no Kyojin"'s literal meaning, which is "Attack of Titan".
Where there is an English title available, that's the one we use. So, this should be moved to Attack on Titan.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
hello guys I want to add this video
onto the site but I can't find the trope it embodies the best
It's about Eren's telepathic speech to the subjects of Ymir.
Can anybody tell which trope it embodies the best?
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