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AnoBakaDesu
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11:06:51 AM Jun 19th 2014
Anyone want to start a page of memorable quotes from the series? As in, Quotes.Attack On Titan

I already got two in mind: one of Pixis' rousing speeches and Eren's monologue before plugging Trost's hole (both from the dub).
jägermonster
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02:35:27 AM Jun 19th 2014
I know there's heaps of discussions about weather it's "Sie sind das Essen und wir sind die Jäger" or "Seid ihr das Essen? Nein, wir sind die Jäger", but in any case it needs to be "DIE Jäger". The lines clearly say "wir", which is we and thus plural, meaning that the following noun also must be plural to be grammatically correct. Thus, it cannot be "der Jäger", it must be "die Jäger". Wacky Japanese writing aside, I just can't see my native tongue mangled like that, so I changed it.
SilverWings
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08:02:07 AM Apr 8th 2014
When did we find out that the coordinate was the ability to mind control anyone, not just titans?
superdawge
10:28:23 PM Apr 24th 2014
Right now, it's just a theory that Erwin is betting on, presumably as a last resort to ensure the coup's success. In Chapter 54, the fact that Historia's friend can alter memories is the one big hint that mind controlling people is not out of the question.
CrystalDelta
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11:49:41 AM Apr 4th 2014
edited by 89.233.75.139
Is the stinger of the page an actual reference to something in the series? Because if it isn't, there is no excuse for me not to correct that since it makes absolutely no sense in German whatsoever ... even Google translate would probably do a better job at translating the English sentence in the notes :S
Loraenn
07:57:04 PM Apr 12th 2014
It comes from the second anime opening, so it's probably inaccurate because, well, it was written by a Japanese songwriter.
CrystalDelta
10:23:07 AM Apr 14th 2014
edited by 92.252.49.223
OK, so I'll just correct the spelling and leave the malformed grammar be, so as not to change the basic structure of the verse.
scrooge20mcduck
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12:57:38 PM Feb 26th 2014
edited by 83.109.141.140
Edit: never mind.
Yoshermon
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07:21:55 PM Feb 18th 2014
Can we please add a separate page for the anime only (or a separate tab at least)? It doesn't seem fair for people who want to read tropes for it but don't want to be spoiled by events from the manga.
SilverWings
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08:08:53 AM Feb 9th 2014
Someone unmarked Eren's ability to transform into a titan as spoilers on the character page. I'm aware of the warning of unmarked spoilers, but should we really leave that be?
mailedbypostman
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07:58:57 PM Dec 9th 2013
superdawge
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02:27:46 AM Nov 29th 2013
Should characters like Isabel and Farlan who were introduced in the Levi spin-off be included on this page? "A Choice With No Regret" is an official prologue to the main series.
SilverWings
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11:56:56 AM Oct 28th 2013
Should Bertrolt and Annie's actions as the colossal and female titans be considered a Moral Event Horizon? The reason I'm not considering Reiner is because he didn't take part in the second attack, only the first one, when he was a child and still unaware of the suffering he was really causing. However, Bert and Annie had time to grow up and to rethink their motives.
superdawge
02:31:36 AM Nov 29th 2013
A moral event horizon is an absolute mark that this character has no chance of being redeemable. As horrible as their actions were, all three are still kids and are still capable of feeling regret and being genuinely kind, especially to each other (well, reiner and bert anyways). I do not believe they have crossed the horizon... yet.
Boradis
11:00:12 PM Jan 11th 2014
I feel all three of them have following the events of the anime.
seg162
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03:00:22 PM Oct 9th 2013
Seriously, are we going to actually discuss what the first verse of the first opening is actually saying? Here— I'll start.

I've played this song over 9000 times and the only thing I'm hearing is "Sie sind das Essen und wir sind die Jäger!". Even without making out the entire verse, I can tell that midway, they're saying "und" as opposed to "nein", not to mention that given the way that the verse is said, it's doesn't even sound like a question is being posed. It sounds like one continuous sentence.
BlueMadness
10:29:51 AM Oct 15th 2013
I agree completely. This song-line-changing shenanigan is getting pretty annoying, and you can quite clearly hear that whatever is said in the song, it's not "nein".
seg162
09:00:25 PM Oct 18th 2013
Played it in slow motion. There's a distinct "und".
seg162
10:27:34 AM Oct 19th 2013
So, apparently, the official lyric book says what it keeps being changed into. While I keep listening to it in slow motion, I notice that the first two words in the line are so much blurred that all that can be told from it is that it starts with the letter "S". I'm still hearing a distinct "und", and I'm not sure if saying "Are you the prey no we are the hunters" as is makes any inflectional sense— because that's essentially what's happening if what the caption that's currently being used is what is actually being said. In addition to that, the generally accepted line among the fandom is "Sie sind das Essen und wir sind die Jäger!".

I'm not sure if I want to change it again now. The other options are to reach a consensus with either one of the phrasings or to remove it entirely. But, instead of responding via editing reasons, I think it'd be much more preferable to actually discuss this in the discussion page here.

(On a side note, this might count as a Base Breaker.)
KuroMaboroshi
03:05:06 AM Oct 23rd 2013
On a side note, no matter which version of the line is correct, shouldn't we at least put up the correct translation for it? "Essen" just isn't "prey", but "food", even though in the non-official version of the line "prey" which is "Beute" in German would make a lot more sense.
seg162
06:37:19 PM Oct 23rd 2013
I guess we can put it in as a disclaimer in the hottip.

(For the record, "Beute" would make more sense in either one of these versions of the line...)
SilverWings
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08:25:18 PM Oct 5th 2013
So now Eren also has the power to control titans on top of transforming into one. I don't mind so much, because I think there needs to be something extra that makes him valuable to other people like him. Why else would they be so desperate to get him alive? Still, brace for another wave of "DEUS EX MACHINA I CALL BULL!"
seg162
11:54:20 PM Oct 5th 2013
Although, there IS a foreseeable problem with this. Or two.

A) Eren, over the course of the series, goes from a military soldier wants to kill all of the titans to someone who can TRANSFORM into a Titan to a valuable asset for humanity that needs to be protected at all costs to Princess Peach. Or something along the lines of that. What I'm getting at is that his actually doing stuff, considering that he's actually the main protagonist, is dwindling steadily. That isn't exactly the greatest to reveal something like this, and I don't think it's supposed to be the protagonist that should have such a power.

B) Where does the conflict come from now if Eren can command titans?

I don't think it'll render the story to crap IF the mangaka can pull it off.
SilverWings
01:31:56 PM Oct 6th 2013
I actually really hate it when it's not the protagonist who winds up with the key, game-chainging power, because then the story isn't as much about them as it is about their journey with the person who has the power.
reflaxion
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06:38:42 AM Sep 24th 2013
Should the mere existence of the Rogue and Female Titans be spoiler material? While I support spoiler-marking anything that reveals their identities or shifting abilities, I don't think the fact that there are unique Titans is spoiler material - the Colossal and Armored Titan characters are established in the first chapter/episode.
reflaxion
12:30:33 PM Sep 27th 2013
The Female Titan is referenced ten times without spoilers on the main page. I'm unmarking entries referencing her existence. I won't touch identity issues and plot points, obviously.
seg162
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05:08:53 AM Sep 22nd 2013
Changed the picture quote. There's actually a fair amount of debate on what's actually being said in the opening, but what was originally there ("Sind sie das Essen? Nein, wir sind die Jäger!" A) doesn't make any conceptual sense when translated (when translated right, anyhow; sie=they), and B) doesn't even seem to be what's said in the song because of lack of proper inflection.
seg162
11:04:03 PM Oct 5th 2013
Or, maybe we should omit my point A.

My other points still stands firmly, though.
coolman229
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09:40:33 AM Sep 6th 2013
Since Christa scored her first Titan kill in chapter 49, the Faux Action Girl entry should be changed (since it says that we haven't seen her fight). But I don't know what to change it to.
reflaxion
10:08:51 AM Sep 6th 2013
The entry itself is about averting the trope, with Mikasa and Annie as examples. The entire Krista line may as well be cut, as it only detracts from the point now, rather than serving as a counterbalance. (One kill doesn't seem that impressive, but keep in mind that she now has as many human-on-Titan kills as Eren does - and if memory serves me correctly, still more than Sasha and Connie.)
coolman229
10:41:23 AM Sep 12th 2013
Yeah. Most characters haven't gotten any Titan kills. I think it was best to erase the line until we see more of Christa fighting.
reflaxion
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03:22:18 PM Sep 1st 2013
Compared to all the actual plot-changing twists in this series, should the events of Mikasa's backstory still be considered spoiler material? It would be nice if there were a few articles not covered in white bars on the page.
coolman229
09:41:07 AM Sep 6th 2013
Personally, I still consider them a spoiler.
romxxii
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07:24:39 PM Jun 2nd 2013
edited by 69.172.221.4
Ok, I wonder where in the world the Meaningful Name list came from. For example, Eren Jaeger is listed as "Holy Hunter"; Google translate says that it instead translates to "Older Hunters". Same with Reiner, which doesn't mean "Counselor/Warrior", but "Pure". In effect, Reiner Braun is Pure Brown.

If there are any German-speaking tropers out there, your input would be greatly appreciated.
harostar
07:55:00 PM Jun 4th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.45
Since I posted it, here we go.

Eren: Turkish in origin, means "Holy or Saint".

Reiner: From the Old Germanic, Ragnar or Rainer. The roots are "Counselor/Advisor" and "Warrior", with the name these days typically meaning "Deciding Warrior".

I hope that clears up the confusion. In general, it seems like direct translation isn't a good way to go about dealing with names, since they tend to work differently from normal words. Many have roots or origins in different languages, or older variations of the same language, or are simply a variant of a different name. (Like how Reiner's name is a modern version of an Old Norse name or Jean is a French variant of the Hebrew Jehan/John.)
romxxii
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05:04:34 AM May 27th 2013
Removed the following as it doesn't seem to apply:

  • Le Parkour: Soldiers combine this with Steam Punk-style boosters on the legs, allowing them to jump around with superhuman speed and agility.

The 3D Maneuvering System is more accurately described as a pair of gas-powered grappling hooks that allow for Building Swing. There is a booster, but it's located at the small of the back and used mid-air to power through swings. There are a couple of ambiguous panels in the manga where the scabbard/gas tank assembly could be misconstrued as somehow assisting with jumps, but the anime is extremely clear that this is more Steam Punk Spider-Man than Le Parkour.
harostar
08:23:17 PM Jun 4th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.43
I actually think it applies, as the 3DM system involves not only actively building swinging, but also employing Parkour techniques to get around. This is especially clear when you've got them moving across roof tops without using their gas, or during the training exam when Conny is hopping across closely-clustered branches.
romxxii
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05:03:48 AM May 27th 2013
Removed the following as it doesn't seem to apply:

  • Le Parkour: Soldiers combine this with Steam Punk-style boosters on the legs, allowing them to jump around with superhuman speed and agility.

The 3D Maneuvering System is more accurately described as a pair of gas-powered grappling hooks that allow for Building Swing. There is a booster, but it's located at the small of the back and used mid-air to power through swings. There are a couple of ambiguous panels in the manga where the scabbard/gas tank assembly could be misconstrued as somehow assisting with jumps, but the anime is extremely clear that this is more Steam Punk Spider-Man than Le Parkour.
holyfrog77
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06:24:14 PM Apr 20th 2013
Do any of you think that the anime's opening theme would qualify as a "Bragging Theme Tune?"

I mean, what sold me on that was the chorus practically shouting "JAEGAR" at the segment when Eren slices through that blonde titan's neck. Calling Eren "The Crimson Hunter" also kind of helped. Along with the lyrics being surprisingly reflective of Eren's viewpoints (his belief that humanity has grown lazy and is living in a gilded cage and whatnot.)

I'm pretty inexperienced with editing the wiki, so if any of you want to pick up on this and add it to the index, then please do. :D
SevenDeadPineTrees
03:59:33 PM Jun 6th 2013
A Bragging Theme Tune is about how awesome the protagonist is; Guren no Yumiya is more like a rallying song, there's no actual praise being afforded to anyone.
holyfrog77
06:16:07 PM Jun 9th 2013
Fair enough.
SevenDeadPineTrees
11:36:45 PM Jun 9th 2013
Actually, the more I think about it, it's more like a You Suck song. The whole thing is basically urging humans to get off their butts and fight even if everybody else is being sheep about it. Is there a trope for that? Shaming Theme Tune, something to that effect?
Afununupa
02:30:53 PM Aug 4th 2013
The full version goes on to mention Eren by name in one of the later verses. It's specifically about him and his motives during the first season. However, since this only becomes apparent in parts of the song not used in the opening credits, I'm not sure if this actually helps any.
saurers123
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08:31:14 PM Apr 18th 2013
Should we change the names of three divisions of the military(Scouting Legion, Military Police, Stationary Troops) to the official translation from Kodansha(Survey Corp, Military Police Brigade, Garrison)?
xenega
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05:53:06 AM Apr 17th 2013
  • Greek Mythology: The manga draws inspiration from Greek mythology, specifically the part when the Titan Kronos swallows his children in order that they not overthrow him.

Is Word of God really said that ? Otherwise, it's just a assumption and not a trope, since no hint are provided by the manga. Giants eaten humans isn't a plot limited to greek mythology.
patxiao
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10:01:39 PM Apr 15th 2013
I think we should add a tearjeaker page. Based on what kind of series this and the popularity it now has due to the anime.
GethPi
10:49:53 PM Apr 16th 2013
I concur
unifiedforce
11:50:50 PM Apr 16th 2013
Went ahead and added one.
ArcaneAzmadi
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01:51:03 AM Feb 27th 2013
Should we change the page title to "Attack on Titan" now that that's the official english language release title?
KnightofNASA
02:57:11 PM Mar 9th 2013
It's already a redirect though. "Attack on Titan" seems to be the exact opposite of "Shingeki no Kyojin"'s literal meaning, which is "Attack of Titan".
lu127
moderator
10:43:15 PM Apr 15th 2013
Where there is an English title available, that's the one we use. So, this should be moved to Attack on Titan.
Blade318
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08:58:18 PM Jan 11th 2013
Doesn't seem very popular on this site
miyukimae123
01:02:20 AM Jun 11th 2013
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