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01:30:57 AM Jun 21st 2018
Memetic Mutation page name.

Hello, I'll start by saying I'm a microbiology lab technician, so I work a decent amount with DNA and therefor know a but about genes. I also read Richard Dawkins 'The Selfish Gene' in which the Meme was first named and defined.

A Meme is a digital equivolent for the biological Gene. In the same way a Memetic Mutation is the digital equivalent of a Genetic Mutation.

The Gene/Meme is a piece of information that spreads and propagates itself. A Genetic/Memetic Mutation is a CHANGE in the Gene/Meme that alters its content and makes it less/more likely to survive and spread in the population.

For instance on this page: 'Beam me up, Scotty!' is mentioned as meme, which it is. But in the original it was never said ONCE. Lines such as 'Scotty, beam us up.' or 'Beam us up, Scotty' were used. And it is likely that the meme was used in this format befire it changed (likely before the digital era) to 'Beam me up, Scotty.' Thus the 'Beam me up, Scotty.' Meme is still a meme, and should be mentioned on that specific page, but the Memetic Mutation page should ONLY discuss those memes that CHANGE OVER TIME.

Therefor the name of this page is plane wrong. The page should be called 'Meme' and a new page should potentially be made to address 'Memetic Mutations', or changes in memes.

Lest Memetic Mutation become a memetic mutation for Meme.
04:49:36 AM May 23rd 2015
Hello, Is it okay that I'll mention this? It's somewhat controversial.

EA will ruin your favourite franchise / studio. This stems from their habit of buying out existing gaming companies to get the legal rights to their game franchises and then create sequels with drastic changes and often decreased production value and then dismantling said company.

09:03:26 AM Apr 14th 2015
Anyone else think it's a good time to look for a new page image? While the current image works, a lot of the memes in it are discredited now a days...
02:12:22 AM Apr 15th 2015
I don't think that justifies an image change, myself.
05:09:08 PM Oct 23rd 2014
The phrase "And suddenly, a wild X appears!" from Pokemon has become a meme, and a particular reference to it- "And suddenly, a wild baldo appears!"- a thing from a video by Matthew Santoro- has become a meme itself. Would the "And suddenly, a wild baldo appears!" count as a Memetic Mutation?
08:43:47 AM Oct 15th 2014
The "Memes" namespace needs a tab at the top of the screen
04:39:55 PM Mar 23rd 2013
Apparently, Fan Nickname can be Trivia, but this can't? What's going on here?
03:28:23 PM Jul 24th 2012
The formatting for the medium sub-pages are too inconsistent. For example, the Video Games page doesn't use WMG's style for headings and lacks the "style instructions" on the main page.

I'd like to know what rules we're going by to keep the pages consistent. For them, I suggest "hiding" the instructions for formatting and adding the examples, by setting them as comments.
12:56:55 PM May 13th 2012
We either need to find a different syntax for the Explanation hottips or fix TV Tropes's syntax handling, because people love putting potholes in explanations and it just destroys the syntax.
01:46:11 PM May 13th 2012
It's a known issue. Not sure what's being done at the moment.
12:33:44 PM Jan 23rd 2012
Am I the only one that thinks "meeeeee mmmm" is a silly pronounciation? The first e should sound like it does with bed and men. So it is more like "mem e"
12:42:05 PM Jan 23rd 2012
No, because that goes against the basic rules of English language. A vowel, followed by a consonant, followed by an e, is almost always pronounced with the long vowel sound (EE).
11:29:37 PM Jun 18th 2012
edited by memetics
In The Selfish Gene (1976), Dawkins explains the word's origin and pronunciation: "We need a name for the new replicator, a noun that conveys the idea of a unit of cultural transmission, or a unit of imitation. ‘Mimeme’ comes from a suitable Greek root, but I want a monosyllable that sounds a bit like ‘gene.’ I hope my classicist friends will forgive me if I abbreviate mimeme to meme. If it is any consolation, it could alternatively be thought of as being related to ‘memory,’ or to the French word même. It should be pronounced to rhyme with ‘cream’" (192).
06:14:07 PM Nov 25th 2012
Exactly, and this is a detail which seems to be overlooked by this very website's attempted redefinition of the term "meme". It isn't Web-specific, it doesn't have anything to do with being repeated so often that "x" occurs. A meme is a unit of cultural self-replication, like the way we build houses or wear our hair, or shake hands, or somesuch. The overly-broad definition of the word "meme" to fit some wannabe geek or hipster's idea of what he thinks it SHOULD mean based on the context of its use is IRRELEVANT. It's a technical term. It's not okay to be dull. It's even worse to be the cause of dullness in others.
03:26:48 AM Feb 21st 2014
it isn't limited to just this website.
05:31:58 PM Dec 1st 2011
All this sounds a lot like how Rhyming Slang evolved, one word associates another, and then six degrees of separation to where you call your wife Tea and Biscuits or somesuch.
01:03:39 PM Jul 1st 2011
I'm too lazy to add leeroy jenkins to the video game list. Someone else do it.
05:57:27 PM Mar 18th 2011
edited by OurGLORIOUSLeader


We are currently (very slowly) working on fixing this page. There will be a standard for each set of entries:

Title of movie

Meme  Explanation And so on ad infinitum. It will be in alphabetical order of movie ("the's and "A's" don't count). And if you see a line like this:
That is somehow randomly in the middle of the page, DON'T DELETE IT. It helps keep track of which memes I've categorized already, since I'm doing it in small chunks. I would appreciate any and all help.
04:19:35 PM Jun 21st 2011
What happened to the Other Internet section?
11:38:37 PM Jun 18th 2012
As you're fixing the page, you might consider clarifying the definition of "meme" and also clarifying up front that the page deals with mutations, not just memes. In fact, "meme" itself seems to have mutated, if what's currently on the page about internet-spread memes is the more well-known definition.

(For the original definition, see Dawkins' Selfish Gene (1976): "Just as genes propagate themselves in the gene pool by leaping from body to body via sperm or eggs, so memes propagate themselves in the meme pool by leaping from brain to brain via a process which, in the broad sense, can be called imitation" (192). Memes are units of cultural transmission. So "the wheel" is a meme just as much as "lolcatz" is a meme.)
07:24:28 AM Jan 29th 2011
How exactly is this a subjective trope? Even people who don't like a certain meme can't deny that it's spread.
03:23:50 PM Jan 29th 2011
edited by ading
Word has it that someone is abusing the YMMV index. Stay tuned - I reported the problem over in Wiki Talk Conversations.
12:00:07 AM Feb 3rd 2011
If it needs to go on a subpage, I'd say trivia...
11:26:31 PM Feb 20th 2011
Not just some people; a lot of people.

Specifically, the problem seems to be that a great many people are listing memes that only exist within specific fanbases; referencing them any real context, and not explaining what they actually mean.

Basically, this all quickly creates an unreadable mess that no one really has a full and proper grasp of.
04:29:10 PM Feb 22nd 2011
Then clean up the subpages instead of ghettoizing the trope.
04:51:48 AM May 23rd 2011
03:00:55 PM Aug 4th 2010
edited by sxizzor
Ok, I'm giving World of Warcraft its own page. That list is huge.

Aaaaand done:

If you have any problems or questions, stick them here.
08:18:46 PM Sep 30th 2010
I've started to clear the Theatre section of memes that haven't mutated. This trope isn't simply "Memes exist" it's "Some memes mutate. Some of those mutate wildly".

Therefore, I've moved entries that don't include any indication of how or if the mentioned memes have mutated here. I've also removed entries that aren't memes at all, but are simply earworms or favorite lines /songs/scenes.

No mutation
* Avenue Q went so far as to name a trope: "The Internet Is for Porn."
  • "Everyone's a little bit racist!"
  • "Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings." Originally a line from Almansor by Heinrich Heine, this has been preserved through Popcultural Osmosis, combined with Harsher in Hindsight when the Nazis burned Heine's writings.
  • The Red Box, a meme within in the theatre world itself. Supposedly, in every stage show ever, there is a red box on stage at some point.
    • (Rocky Horror Picture Show) "Don't get strung out! By the way I look! Don't judge a book by its cover! I'm not much of a man, by the light of day! But by night I'm one hell of a lover..."
  • Food, glorious food!
  • Bye, Byre, Birdie:
    • This largely unknown stage musical (as compared to the moderately popular movie) is a fountain of memes, at least to any to perform in it, to name the most notable:
      • "COO COO COO!"
      • And one that rivals the first in terms of memetic humor: "*Chord* ED SULLIVAN!!!"

Not memes:

08:34:58 PM Sep 30th 2010
More: Not Memes:
  • Bye, bye Birdie:
    • This largely unknown stage musical (as compared to the moderately popular movie) is a fountain of memes, at least to any to perform in it, to name the most notable:
      • "COO COO COO!"
      • And one that rivals the first in terms of memetic humor: "*Chord* ED SULLIVAN!!!"

Not Mutated:

03:07:34 PM Jul 8th 2010
If there's no objection, I'm going to start removing potholes to Memetic Mutation that just name-check some Internet meme without providing context. We did this with Two Words: Obvious Trope and the world is a better place now.
02:44:23 PM May 21st 2011
I'm pretty sure there's one of those in "Crosses the Line Twice" on the phrase "makes a wrong turn at Albuquerque". Which is how I got—uselessly, so far as I can tell—to this Memetic Mutation trope.

Of course that may already be on your list, but ...
07:01:43 AM Jun 2nd 2011
05:11:33 PM Jul 15th 2013
The labelnotes should be titled mutation to make it clearer and prevent misuse.
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