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HawaiiKnut
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06:20:50 AM Mar 19th 2013
I have the feeling that Affably Evil vs Faux Affably Evil has become YMMV oriented. For example, Disney's Shere Khan is clearly labled as Affably Evil on many pages, like Affably Evil and The Jungle Book. Yet he's been re-labled as Faux Affably under Disney Villains.
humanpunk
08:11:47 AM Sep 9th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.6
The distinction seems pretty clear to me. Affably Evil characters have a naturally friendly demeanor and happen to be evil, whereas Faux Affably Evil characters put on a friendly demeanor to disguise the fact that they're evil and/or to aid their agenda. Some characters such as Sahjahn (Angel), Larry Sizemore (Burn Notice) and Gus Fring (Breaking Bad) are on both pages. I'd have the first two in Affably Evil. Fring is a tougher call, but I'd lean towards Affably Evil for him, too. Vern Schillinger (Oz) is in Affably Evil, but I'd definitely have him in Faux Affably Evil. Most of the time he was NOT affable, and literally the first thing he did in the show was befriend Beecher in order to trick him into becoming his bitch.
SilverDollar
12:05:50 AM Oct 13th 2013
Distinctions are never going to clear for me, not always. Sorry, but I'm also going with YMMV or Alternate Character Interpretation on this for now on, that is, unless the example is clearly evident. That's simply what I'm going to do. Period.
captainmarkle
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08:53:53 AM Apr 29th 2012
What is this trope if a villain eventually gets angry and stops being polite?
Craver357
09:19:33 AM Jun 13th 2012
It's called Villainous Breakdown.
NyBatteri
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05:18:55 AM Nov 15th 2011
edited by NyBatteri
I find the distinction between Affably Evil and Faux Affably Evil quite blurry and confusing. Just how do we know a villain is being genuinely nice or just pretending to be so? I believe a lot of villains here are more like Faux Affably Evil.
SilverDollar
05:27:29 PM Nov 26th 2012
I have to agree. I really don't have good idea which character is to be classified as Affable and Faux Affable anymore. I have seen many characters who I thought were Faux Affable who have been classified as Affable. Hmm...
HawaiiKnut
06:01:28 AM Feb 18th 2013
The distinction is often a pain in the ass, even for me who is often into evil tropes. If you're in doubt, call said villain or character the one you think he/she is (and explain why) and if somebody knows better, they can change the trope accordingly.
Thecommander236
05:14:39 PM Feb 18th 2013
I would assume Affably Evil until proven otherwise. If a villain is being nice, then he Affably Evil. If he then turns around and does something that shows he was faking it then you can switch him to Faux Affably Evil. Plus, it's not like all writers will stick to our definitions of the tropes and they will make characters that fall into a gray area.
Larkmarn
06:49:24 AM Mar 19th 2013
^ This. Yes. This.
Thecommander236
09:36:47 AM Mar 19th 2013
Hmm?
Larkmarn
10:07:37 AM Mar 19th 2013
I just think it's a good point and people should keep it in mind to keep from misuse.
Thecommander236
07:07:36 PM Mar 19th 2013
Thank you.
BigglesTh9
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07:22:24 PM Oct 14th 2011
edited by BigglesTh9
Complete Monster + Affably Evil = Impossible. Just saying.

One of the defining traits of the Affably Evil character is a degree of genuine niceness - which overrides the Complete Monster requirement of having no altruistic traits.

Of course, there's nothing to stop a character being a Complete Monster and Faux Affably Evil.

RTanker
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07:04:48 PM Sep 7th 2011
Cut this:
* In the original Gaston Leroux novel The Phantom of the Opera, Christine expects the Phantom to rape her during her abductions, but he actually has the decency not to do so. This after he has murdered a number of innocent people, especially via his penchant for hanging traps; declared that he owns Christine; and other not-so-nice things.
Because not being a rapist does not make him affable.
StopMentioningYourself
09:51:40 PM Aug 24th 2012
So I'm not affable?
RTanker
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07:01:38 PM Sep 7th 2011
Cut this:
* Tony Todd as William Bludworth, the funeral director, in three of the five Final Destination movies. He's far from an enemy to the protagonists whenever they wander into his funeral home (he even says in the first film he didn't mind them walking in on the dead after they fall through the funeral home's roof), but as a funeral director he deals with death, the actual antagonist of all five movies.
Because being a funeral director does not make him evil at all.
Belfagor
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01:47:36 PM Jul 22nd 2011
Just like with Wicked Cultured and Complete Monster, I think it would be better to remove the Real Life section.
BigglesTh9
07:18:45 PM Oct 14th 2011
No.
Belfagor
01:08:15 AM Oct 16th 2011
edited by Belfagor
And then they removed it.
KSonik
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09:40:41 AM Dec 28th 2010
Removed Tsukiko because she never came across as being particularly nice person.
TemBorjigin
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02:34:19 PM Apr 14th 2010
The Mandarin usually is almost never polite, and usually comes across as a ranting Arrogant Kung Fu Guy, or Klingon type. I vote he be removed from this section.
SomeGuy
08:45:53 AM Nov 16th 2010
Borjigin
12:41:31 AM Nov 27th 2010
Was kind of waiting to hear counter-arguments.
Kersey475
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04:26:10 PM Mar 4th 2010
Kersey475: I nominate thatthis image be the new picture for this page (I have no idea how to upload images onto tvtropes so could someone else please do it).
Jordan
04:19:38 PM Oct 24th 2010
While I do favor the picture of the Mayor (and it makes sense, since he's the page quote), I was still kind of wondering why Fast Eddie suddenly changed it back (since the discussion seemed to favor the Jungle Book one- although that discussion now seems to be locked).
184.100.241.54
11:23:14 AM Oct 31st 2010
Anonymous here is voting someone changes the picture back. I can't because someone locked it. While the Mayor is a good choice, he's well, Just a Face and a Caption. Doesn't irk me too much, but I'd like to know why it got changed back.
Acritdy
12:33:05 AM Nov 16th 2010
The admin of the site wanted it. Shrug. That's all there is to it, really.
pyr0h1tman8
01:48:44 AM Aug 24th 2011
So JAFAAC is terrible.... Except when Fast Eddie does it?
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