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12:22:26 PM Sep 13th 2014
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I removed this addition from the page's summary:

"A comprehensive retrospective is in production from The Geek Critique. It currently covers all 28 games in the classic series."

Now, I'm not one to harp on about "notability" or any of that jazz, but I still think this bears asking: what makes this particular retrospective any more "deserving of the spotlight" versus the myriad of others on YouTube?
12:36:13 PM Sep 13th 2014
I am guessing "because they were considered worthy of addition by at least one troper".
12:56:15 PM Sep 13th 2014
Good cut.
11:49:05 AM Jul 19th 2014
Why do we have a link to the forum on this page? It's completely unnecessary and there's no other page on this wiki that does that. I know it's supposed to deter discussion from being on the page, but I don't see Final Fantasy having a link to forum discussion or even Pokémon, and their fanbases can be just as bad as Sonic's.
11:59:55 AM Jul 19th 2014
Well, logged in tropers or readers interested in discussing and logging in do exist. Plus, "the other pages don't do it so this page shouldn't either" isn't that strong an argument.
04:16:50 PM Jul 19th 2014
Also, we can do without the fanbase bashing.
08:06:04 AM Jul 30th 2014
^^But why does this page of all things need a link to the forums? You say that "the other pages don't do it" isn't a strong argument, but in reality, it makes it stick out pretty badly.

So should we make forum links on all of the other pages? It seems to be a logical step if this page will have a link to the forum.
08:08:36 AM Jul 30th 2014
Because someone thought the page would become better by adding the link. I do not see a reason to disagree.
08:43:23 AM Jul 30th 2014
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I'm the one who added the link. It is there to (at least try to) avert natter by providing those who'd do it with a link to where discussions can be properly done here.
11:05:41 AM Aug 8th 2014
^Why? Is there a problem with them just going to the forum through the troperville bar and discussing it there?
11:54:16 AM Aug 8th 2014
That path is so circuitous that I'd be very shocked if it registered at all, to be frank. Never mind that nothing on the troperville bar indicates that the place to discuss Sonic the Hedgehog is there.
04:58:41 AM May 21st 2014
I removed these entries from the page:

I think a little clarification is needed here, if only for the sake of avoiding possible misinformation. Exactly what is the source of this interview where Takashi Iizuka made this statement on the series?
07:09:10 AM May 23rd 2014
I believe this was discussed in one of these Q&A videos, but I am unable to check at this time.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYVXDoqpDY4 Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXz6T38Fp2g Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=481Mi1D6Fgw
10:06:53 AM Oct 28th 2013
[tries to add Ristar connection but Wikitext fails] Oh, looks like wikitext glitched. I'll just try again. [Wikitext fails again] HOW DO YOU WORK THIS STUPID WIKITEXT?!?? NRRRRGH [hulk rage]
06:17:06 AM Feb 13th 2013
edited by SamMax
People are still claiming that Word of God said that certain games are Canon Discontinuity. Not only have I found no proof, they continue to not put up any links even after I've asked them to show their sources. And even assuming it was said, I must ask: Which God? Because one can say it, and another can contradict him by writing a game to imply that the so-called "Canon Discontinuity game" did happen.
05:59:02 PM Feb 13th 2013
Simple: we go with what the current "God" has to say on the subject. If a later "God" changes things, we respond in kind.
10:21:09 PM Feb 17th 2013
Fair enough.
06:05:33 PM Aug 5th 2012
I removed this part of a sentence from the franchise summary:

"and if theres time, the speed demon will take drinking shots with his Dark and Troubled twin rival.."

It's really unnecessary; not only does it not gel with the rest of the entry, it just serves as little more than Shadow fan pandering.
06:50:03 PM Nov 6th 2011
edited by SamMax
Where on planet Earth did the Canon Discontinuity statements come from?! I'd understand Sonic 2006, since it retcons itself out of the continuity, but you didn't mention it even though it's the only one with any legitamate evidence. What about all of the others? Are you sure this isn't just bashing on those games that are supposedly thrown out of canon? Other articles have this problem as well. It's getting to where either you cite the source soon, or I'll remove/change them personally based on lack of evidence. Plus, the Sonic fanbase has more to complain and argue about than they need as it is, and saying that a bunch of games are just thrown into Canon Discontinuity just gives them one more excuse to be screaming in anger!

EDIT: Removed. If you don't look around here, I put up an edit rason. I canged to to essentially saying that Sonic 2006 was erased by itself from canon
08:39:41 PM Jun 17th 2011
edited by taylorkerekes
Am I the only one who thinks that the Sat AM episode "Sonic and Sally" is an example of Adults Are Useless at its worst?
07:13:12 PM Jun 15th 2011
Removed this from the page:

  • One-Scene Wonder: Hyper Sonic, the most powerful form Sonic ever attained which was introduced in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, never appeared or even got mentioned again in the many subsequent games for the franchise. In fact all Super transformations which made their debut in the Sonic & Knuckles trilogy never found their way back to the franchise: Hyper Sonic, Super Tails, Super Knuckles and Hyper Knuckles, you name it all one scene wonders, even the Super trio version of Sonic Heroes is just Super Sonic channelling his powers through Tails and Knuckles, very easy to notice since Tails and Knuckles bares no resemblance in powers nor body psyche to their real Super forms, in fact, they don't transform at all.

Let's discuss this before we add this back to the page, shall we?
04:02:31 AM Jun 16th 2011
edited by Goukenimaru
Here I am, let's discuss it; as the one who added the trope I see nothing wrong or mistaken about it aside from extending the text to justify the misconception, but a later edit seems to contradict my point and pretty about every other wiki on the matter of the actual Super forms of Knuckles and Tails making their way back to the frachise in Sonic Heroes, this solely based on the filenames present in PC version of the game which indeed says Super Tails/Knuckles which in my opinion doesn't say much, filenames are often named this way for reference not to cement a fact, and of course there's no other reliable source which states the empowered versions of Tails and Knuckles in Sonic Heroes being their revisioned Super forms.

This way I think my point still stands, there's a need for better sources than "file names" to justify what I persist in saying is a misconception, if there's something to edit it should be my needless attempt to justify my point in the trope by point out Sonic Heroes.

but of course I'm open to sugestions and chances to be proven wrong myself.
10:57:59 AM Jun 17th 2011
So, no rebutal from anyone? I take that as not being able to prove me and other wikis wrong, I will take the trope back to the main page later; there's still a chance to indeed start discussing about the subject.
11:08:06 AM Jun 17th 2011
You've gotta give it more than a day.

Offhand, I'd say it doesn't fit the trope because the trope is about a character that shows up once in a movie, and steals the scene he or she is in. It's not about a game not using a super mode later on.
02:56:04 PM Jun 17th 2011
edited by Goukenimaru
Oh but I did give more than "that", unlike pointing out file names.

  • Physical and Set of Powers Resemblance: Empowered Tails and Knuckles in Sonic Heroes bares no minimum resemblance to their Sonic & Knuckles Super and Hyper forms.Empowered Tails doesn't not have his fur shinning in gold nor flickies shielding him, he has what Super Tails did not have, a golden shield; same deal with Knuckles, he doesn't shine in pink (Super) or in other colors (Hyper), doesn't have a boost in speed, in fact, he has no chance to run in the final battle, also Knuckles has no visible boost in raw strenght aside puching more fire balls, which again, Super/Hyper Knuckles could not do.

  • Mention in-game: Other than files names exclusive for the PC port. Sonic Heroes has no voice track, voice option, character bio, hint or anything of sorts that states Super Tails and Super Knuckles appearing in the game.

  • Mention in outside sources: I have not heard or seen anything stating that Super Tails and Super Knuckles, in fact, makes their appearance in Sonic Heroes. Nothing on the game's manual, FA Qs, wikis or even Word of God.

If there are sources that prove my aforementioned statements wrong or mistaken, please link or guide me to it, if I'm in the wrong I would like to correct myself.

Concerning the trope itself, I agree this is not exactly a One-Scene Wonder either, my real complaint is about claiming that Super Tails and Super Knuckles makes their way back to the franchise in Sonic Heroes, therefore sugestions to place the contents in a more apropriate trope are welcome.

05:40:23 PM Feb 10th 2011
As stated in the Edit Reasons in the Page History, I switched the page image to something that is more recent and that showcases both "classic" and "modern" renditions of Sonic. If it presents a problem for anyone here, feel free to switch it back or to a better image, okay?
12:17:41 PM Oct 27th 2010
Removed this portion of the list from the Ret Canon example:

  • Power Rings were used as important objects and not just as hit protection for the first time in Sat Am.
  • The incredible similarity between Chaos Control and Deep Power.
  • All of the Gunnerbots in Sonic the hedgehog 2006 are very reminescent of SWAT Bots, including domed heads, "cylon" like visor, inbuilt arm guns...

Can someone please tell me how these above-listed "examples" are actual examples of Ret Canon and not just mere coincidences?

Oh, and try not to be a smug wiseguy about it, okay?
04:30:42 PM Sep 15th 2010
Shouldn't we split the character list into the games list, the Archie Sonic list, etc...? The SatAM Robotnik is VERY different from the games Robotnik, for example, and trying to apply the same trope list to both, and comparing the main series to spinoffs in the process, doesn't seem like the most logical approach here.
12:04:47 PM Oct 27th 2010
Yes. That would be MUCH less confusing. But not too much should be said here, some should be reserved for the individual articles.
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