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09:05:02 AM May 19th 2014
Re: The Mountains of Illinois, I've not listened to the DVD commentary, but I'm almost certain that the place Jim loses his car to is a quarry pit. Even Memory Alpha describes it as such.
07:47:16 PM Aug 11th 2013
(cross posted from Orcus on His Throne)

  • Orcus on His Throne: Due to the subplot being deleted that Nero and his crew were imprisoned, the film seems suggest that he spent 25 years sitting on his hands before he got around to doing anything.
    • Well, if nothing else he didn't have the red matter until much later in the movie. His ship was also damaged by the U.S.S. Kelvin, so he has some excuse.

The second half is essentially disproving this.

On top of this, his plan was to wait for Spock Prime and let him SEE Vulcan get destroyed after Romulus was consumed by the interstellar black hole thing. Plus, didn't he retrieve the red matter from Spock Prime's ship once it came through? It admittedly could wipe out a fleet almost single-handedly without it, but so far as I can tell, had no access to anything planet busting until Spock Prime came through, and so could do nothing to the actual worlds of the Federation, even if the Narada could cause significant losses to their ships alone. In fact, Nero would have destroyed the Enterprise near Vulcan there and then, if he didn't recognise it as Ambassador Spock's ship, and in doing so, inflicted revenge on that universe's Spock as well. He attacked Vulcan and emotionally compromised both Spocks. I think that that's not hands-off villainy.
07:23:36 PM Sep 23rd 2012
  • Of course they failed, surprising no one considering this is the internet.

You'll notice I didn't specify the trope this went with. That's because there wasn't one. Presumably someone had previously removed it and missed the comment.

  • Schrödinger's Cat:
    • Gaila, Kirk's Orion squeeze and Uhura's roomate. Screenwriter Roberto Orci theorised that there is an underground railroad that allowed Orion women to flee to Federation space, which is why Gaila is a cadet rather than a slave. It's unknown whether she was assigned to any of the Federation starships that were destroyed in the battle with Nero at Vulcan. How (or even if) any of this is supposed to fit in with the claim from Enterprise that Orion is a matriarchal society, and their "slave girls" are actually the ones in charge, using their supposed plight to insinuate themselves into other societies and control their males, is anyone's guess. If anything, Gaila might actually be some sort of scout for the Orion race.
    • Given that she is the only red-haired Orion we have ever seen and that she displays no evidence of having the pheromones that the "slave girls" have (which seduce men and knock out women — not a great roommate for Uhura!) perhaps she is half-human? In any case the claim that the "slave girls" are in charge comes from a fairly untrustworthy source (and was either forgotten or actually revealed as a lie by this point, as all chronologically later stories view the women as genuine slaves).
      • It bears mentioning that a deleted scene has another red-haired Orion woman in it.
    • She might be taking something to suppress the pheromones; Starfleet would probably mandate that.
      • In The Motion Picture, Deltans are required to take an oath of celibacy for the protection of their crewmates. An Orion might be expected to do the same.
    • The novelization off-handedly implies that Gaila's pheromones are in full working condition during a scene in the control room above the Kobayashi Maru simulator.

Aside from being a gigantic wall of Thread Mode, none of this has anything to do with Schrödinger's Cat, nor with the trope formerly called that. In fact, I'm not certain any of it is particularly related to any trope at all, other than one sentence early on which I moved to What Happened to the Mouse?.
04:12:05 PM Feb 26th 2012
edited by Jcatgrl
On the main page, under Plot Allergy, it says, "McCoy uses one of Kirk's many allergies to get him aboard the Enterprise on medical grounds." How many allergies does he actually have? In fic, it's anywhere from three or four, to a dozen, to "half of all the edible things and other inanimate objects in the universe are trying to kill Jim Kirk via anaphylactic shock".
04:16:52 PM Feb 26th 2012
That's actually a bad example. Mc Coy doesn't use Jim's allergies to get him on the Enterprise; he only gives Jim a vaccine to give him the symptoms of a specific virus... he didn't KNOW Jim was allergic until Jim's hands inflated a good while later. The allergy is played for laughs and is gone by the time he needs to be lucid enough to convince Spock and Pike of the eminent danger. We may have to cut the example...
03:39:00 PM Dec 28th 2011

The trope is now known as Maligned Mixed Marriage. Was the couple's interspecies relationship looked down upon in-universe?
06:00:00 PM Jul 7th 2013
Generally, yes. Most canon references were that the marriage was very decidedly unusual, and a significant portion of vulcans weren't particularly impressed as to its positive aspects. That's a nice way of saying that it was generally frowned upon, but, of course, vulcans couldn't say something like that...
06:05:28 AM Oct 4th 2011
edited by johnnye
There's a line where the computer on Spock's ship says something along the lines of "Incoming fire. If the red matter is ignited, it will yadda yadda yadda".

This is some kind of exposition trope, but I can't quite work out which one. The sensors you might expect to warn the pilot of incoming fire are also (a) somehow aware of the presence of Phlebotinum, and (b) know how said Phlebotinum will react to being hit?
03:28:58 PM Aug 4th 2011
I found it mildly interesting to learn that Frank is supposed to be the abusive uncle instead of the stepfather. Should this be noted down somewhere on the main page?
01:57:44 AM Jul 15th 2011
Is there a trope to cover the massive surge of WTF I felt in the Force when I saw the Enterprise being built on the Earth's surface? How did they lift it off the surface? Why did such a structurally unsound construct not simply collapse? Are Starfleet ships composed of phlebotinum? Is there a mantra I should be repeating?
06:36:37 AM Jul 22nd 2011
I'm sure starships have entered and exited planetary atmospheres before, even if it makes more sense to build the ship in zero-gravity.
05:54:36 PM Jul 7th 2013
Voyager is the first time Federation starships were shown to have landed on the surface of planets. It was supposedly a big deal in the design of the Intrepid-class that they be able to do so, and by far the biggest ship class with that capability. And, remember the Intrepid-class is much, much smaller than the Constitution class.

Frankly, it's a huge change in canon. And, something really stupid, because, with all we know about Star Trek technology, building Constitution-class ships on a planet surface is beyond Artistic License, it's just plain Critical Research Failure. Not to mention that every other Star Trek show, film, or book show ships being built in orbit, not on-planet.

All done for a single throwaway shot. That's the definition of egotistical writer/director.
04:52:32 PM Jun 2nd 2011
I am really wondering why some is potholing all references to Kirk, Spock and McCoy to The Kirk, The Spock and The McCoy. Is it in opposition to all the requests to rename those tropes? In any case, potholes should have some sort of connection as to why it is being potholed, such as in Bedmate Reveal it would make more sense to pothole Boldly Coming to Kirk than The Kirk, since it adds something significant to describing the trope.
10:33:07 AM Apr 14th 2011
edited by loracarol
Weren't there topics and relationships Roddenberry wanted to introduce throughout Star Trek, that he did not have the opportunity to do? I thought he was shut-down due to 'some' executive meddling? Since it seems it was destiny bringing the characters of the bridge together, you would expect mirroring of the alternate/parallel universe. Other than Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, how did the remaining named cast effect plots or every other character aside from supporting them and doing their job?
11:57:37 PM Dec 11th 2010
edited by TheFuzzinator
Is there any reason we're still spoiler-tagging Spock Prime on the main topic page? The movie's been out over a year and a half—it's hit You Should Know This Already / It Was His Sled territory, especially since Nimoy was in the frigging trailer before the movie was even released.
11:30:08 AM Aug 1st 2010
With how advanced this era of the TOS ship is compared to the TOS Prime ships, one has to wonder how advanced these versions of the TNG, DS 9 and VOY ships would be.
11:36:47 AM May 16th 2010
"Director J.J. Abrams actually downplayed his enjoyment of modern Trek to emphasize his love of the original series."

Can someone elaborate? I thought that the whole point of him being director was that he wasn't a fanboy, even if he respected the series.
10:30:07 AM May 16th 2010
Pretty sure this isn't what Arc Words means. One's the opening to TNG (which is similar to the original's opening), and the other is what Spock said to Kirk before his death in Wrath of Khan. Mythology Gag and Continuity Nod, maybe? But not Arc Words.

  • "Space: The final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its ongoing mission; to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before!"
  • "I have been, and always shall be, your friend."
10:22:50 AM May 16th 2010
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Wow, go away for about six months, a year, and there's all this natter from crazy old-Trek fans. And I like some of the older stuff too, this one isn't even my favourite of the 11 films. But seriously, what the fuck?
09:38:15 PM Mar 10th 2010
Deus Ex Machina?

Is the appearance of the USS Enterprise right before Spock gets annihilated to neutralize all the enemy fire and rescue everybody before they die a horrible death a Deux Ex Machina?
06:48:42 AM Mar 11th 2010
No. Even though it's played for a little bit of a surprise, that was always part of the plan and is easy to explain.
09:57:27 AM Sep 12th 2010
Part of the plan? You mean the plan that nobody told Sulu about, so he couldn't possibly have known to be there?

Remember: Until they got aboard the Narada, nobody knew the black hole device was on its own ship. So any such plan would had to have been formulated *after* they beamed aboard. And the drill was active until Spock destroyed it, so he couldn't have informed them of their role in the plan at the time.

Furthermore, even if we assume that Spock did tell them about the plan, the movie still needs to *show* this.
07:13:59 AM Oct 24th 2010
But that would be a violation of the Unspoken Plan Guarantee forcing them to wing it and truly pull something out of their hindquarters.

And they knew the black hole device was on the ship presumably because Spock Prime told Kirk all about that. Granted, Kirk obviously didn't explain to Spock HOW he knew that, just like he refused to explain to Spock just how the hell he got back on the Enterprise to begin with (you notice how Kirk never gets onto the Enterprise by legitimate means until he very end of the movie?
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