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openFallout 4 Brotherhood of Steel Character Page still claims Brotherhood are Nazis. Videogame
A while back, it was declared by Word of Mod that the Brotherhood of Steel, even as envisioned in Fallout 4, do not count as an example of A Nazi by Any Other Name. The issue, along with the associated page featuring heavy, heavy emphasis on the Brotherhood's Fantastic Racism and other flaws, came back up a few years later but stalled out with an at-best limited resolution.
I don't know if any agreement was ever reached elsewhere on the site (it's kinda hard to look back through the archives) but from what I can tell this has just sat there unfixed.
Edited by MinisterOfSinisteropenPolicy re. WMG pages? Videogame
I made an edit to the WMG/Tekken8 page's section speculating on possible guest characters, only for another editor to remove it and another editor's entry to the same section without providing any edit reasons for doing so.
I'm not sure what the policy on WMG pages is, but that rubs me the wrong way so I figured I should at least ask what the proper course of action is here. I've sent them an Edit Reasons message, so hopefully they'll respond regarding why they removed it.
Edited by Arawn999openHM:AWL vs SoS:AWL: Do Character/Game Tropes apply to the Remake? Videogame
selphius and I have been working in harmony on the pages for VideoGame.Story Of Seasons A Wonderful Life and VideoGame.Harvest Moon A Wonderful Life, including character pages (This also includes pages for VideoGame.Harvest Moon DS), discussing things back and forth to try and keep things consistent. However something's come up and I feel like community census will help to make sure we're both on the same page with the community, regarding games being in the same universe so facts from one would apply to others.. Forgive me if this is long, I'm trying to be as clear as possible what the issue is.
Explanation: HM:AWL was released first on the GameCube, later followed by HM:DS/DS Cute on the Nintendo DS. In the Japanese version of DS, it's clear that the characters are the descendants of the HM:AWL characters, not them in a remake version—this is helped by the characters having different names. However, Natsume's English translation gave everyone the exact same names, which made everything confusing about it being a sequel. e.g. Celia's descendant 100 years later is also named Celia, and looks almost exactly like her and lives in the exact same place and everything—and because of the same names, DS/DS Cute can appear like a remake, not a sequel.
Now SoS:AWL is out for the Switch, which is a enhanced remake of said GC game with some changes on some characters, but the same overall in story beats and characterization as HM:AWL. So I'm not sure if this game is considered related to the DS Games at all, being a remake, or should be troped like its own separate universe, even though this interview states a relation between them.
My reasoning is that, for example, the Pokemon Games aren't treated as the same game universes—Fire Red/Leaf Green are remakes of Red/Blue, and so are the Let's Go games, in that they have some of the same gyms and story beats. But things from Red/Blue aren't always applicable to FR/LG or Let's Go, and because they're remakes of the old Red/Blue this doesn't make, say, Let's Go connected to Soul Silver. Another example would be how the Final Fantasy Remake is a remake of FF7, but it's not the exact same universe as that game and almost like a different timeline.
The interview is closer to Word of God. There's no confirmation in game that it's related to DS/DS Cute, just items outside the games relating them and what might be some Easter Eggs. So mentioning that, say, Witch Princess is in DS/Cute and stated there she's lived in the valley for 100s of years doesn't 100% confirm she's in the Switch game.
Can y'all help us make things clear between what's related to DS/Cute and what's not?
Thanks.
Edited by NethiliaopenFoil vs Good/Evil Counterpart vs Shadow Archetype? Videogame
I wanted to ask if these three tropes are all not referring to the same thing. While I don't think we need to remove one, I've noticed a recurring trend of them being used synonymously.
As I understand it, Foil is just a contrast, Good/Evil Counterpart is specifically a villain made to contrast a hero or vice versa depending on who debuted first in real time, and Shadow Archetype is a character that represents a road not taken.
That said, I've seen them be used as synonyms or as redundant entries—an Evil Counterpart by definition is a foil to someone else, for example.
For example, Steven Universe's character page listed off several characters as both foils and Evil Counterparts, most notably Jasper as compared to Garnet. Same with the Transformers Prime page, or a lot of the character specific trope pages.
How should these be used in the future?
openLanguage change? Videogame
I know for things like American vs. Commonwealth spellings, we do a "first come first serve" basis. But what about things like the Oxford comma or spacing?
Asking because this edit is just that.
openCreating Individual Character Pages Videogame
Hello. I check in about splitting off a trope overdosed character from the general character page and creating their own page. The work they're from has a lot of spin-offs with different interpretations of the character, and his folder gets longer and longer as I add more content from those spin-offs, to the point where it's a little difficult to scroll through to get to the other characters on the same page when editing.
For now, he would be the only character with his own page if I split it off, so I just wanted to get the okay to make a separate page for him.
openRegarding Touhou Spell Carnival... Videogame
If you don't know, Touhou Spell Carnival is a Compile Heart-developed Tactical RPG spin-off that will be releasing on the eighteenth of April for the PS4, PS5, and Nintendo Switch. So this begs the question: should we consider Spell Carnival as an "official" Touhou game since its developer has produced other high-quality Double-A titles, including one that is essentially their SpongeBob SquarePants, or another one of their Fan Games a la Gensou Wanderer or Koumajou Densetsu? Granted, Compile Heart isn't as popular as Nintendo or Sony, but they're far from an indie developer as you can possibly get. And most of the other fan/non Team Shanghai Alice-produced spin-off games are made by either indies or doujin soft companies, which Compile Heart is not.
openTroper has changed all my edits Videogame
9thOutworldsMan has been changing all my edits for the Tales of Arise and Misaimed Fandom pages, most notably the edits I've made in regards to a very polarizing base-breaking moment in the game: the scene of Law stopping Rinwell attacking Almeidrea in blind hatred.
9thOutworldsMan is really adamant in insisting that the game intentionally paints Law as a hypocrite, that Rinwell calls him out for being one, and that the parallel the game sets up between Rinwell and Dedyme is a stretch. They had also removed any instance of the Vengeance Feels Empty trope in regards to Law, despite it being a general consensus in the Tales fandom that the trope is related to both the game's story and Law.
I'm planning on bringing this issue over to the Broken Base Cleanup thread as well since they also changed my edit on the Broken Base: Tales Series page.
openVery rude Troper Videogame
Reginald Ogron 5 has been making some recent sweeping edits to the Elden Ring page. He's currently trying to remove any mention of Mythology Gag because he believes despite From directly calling the games a series of spiritual successors with a ton of direct references to each other, it shouldn't count.
He's been very rude in PM's (I've resorted to blocking him) when I lightly told him of the error (and when he also tried removing examples of puzzle bosses), shouting, putting things in all caps, and his edit reasons are likewise inflammatory. Can someone talk to him and maybe ask him to be a tad bit more polite?
Edited by smogmonsteropenShould the ''fault - milestone two'' page be retitled? Videogame
For context, the page for fault milestone two covers the kinetic novel titled fault - milestone two side:above, the sequel to fault - milestone one.
Given that ALICE IN DISSONANCE split their plan for fault - milestone two into two games, with fault - milestone two side:below being planned for release in 2024, should the page be moved to only cover side:above with side:below getting its own page, or should it cover both side:above and side:below once it's released?
Edited by Arawn999openAbout certain works Videogame
Assuming that everyone is above 18, if the work is mostly an H-Game whose gameplay is mostly a sandbox, but has some interesting lore backstory that isn't entirely NSFW, how are we supposed to judge it?
openCertain editing privileges Videogame
Hello! I hope that you are doing well. About a year or so ago, I proposed Xenos as a Complete Monster, which was approved. However, looking back, the entry I provided was really sloppy (even the current entry for the character is a slightly rewritten version of mine), being an oversimplification of everything that glosses over a lot of important details. However, I have been put on an indefinite suspension from editing for months, so I have been hesitant to ask the Cleanup Thread if I can fix it. It has been driving me up a wall for months now. Is it okay if I rewrite Xenos' entry in the cleanup thread, and let them take care of the rest? It's fine if you say no, but just wanted to ask anyway. Thank you!
Edited by cwallace135openPromoted fangirl concerns Videogame
So, I've gotten into a thorny sort of situation recently (~6 months ago-ish).
To stop the game Spellstone from becoming one of many Defunct Online Video Games, the higher-ups at Kongregate implemented a "Community Dev" policy, where members of the fanbase can freely volunteer to assist the developers with stuff like game balance, troubleshooting, and... most importantly, writing ideas for the story. This was around late July. I was one of those volunteers, and since I was the only one who gave a rat's ass about the story, that means I more or less became the head writer (some other people have written it more recently while I had exams and life stuff, but it's like 80% me).
Ordinarily there would be no issue, except I had previously made a rather extensive work and character page (as well as a bit of YMMV) on this site for the game. This was before I became a community developer — after which, the only edit I made on any Spellstone-related pages was a small typo on the character page. I have not troped anything that I have written for the game, and have even been reluctant to finish adding in tropes for the old developers' writing (as terrible as it got pre-Community Dev) for fear of a conflict of interest. I was going to propose Complete Monster or Magnificent Bastard candidates the old writers had written, too, but I don't think I can do that either now. I really don't want to be guilty of Auto-Erotic Troping, and I don't want to get banned for my pre-Community Dev edits.
So, I guess my question is, TL;DR, I essentially singlehandedly wrote a work's page on here, and after doing all of that, I became a writer of that work. What can I/should I do to keep my hands clean?
openQuestioning of Infinite Fusion WMG Videogame
I noticed on the WMG page for Pokémon Infinite Fusion Wayward Totodile asked a hidden question:
"what is this? I don't think WMG is supposed to be used like this."
Why not? There are speculation lists on WMG pages for Spooky Month and Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire, so how is this any different?
Isn't that a part of Wild Mass Guessing? Am I missing something?
I hope I'm handling this issue right.
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryopenAbout the Extremis Ultimis page Videogame
Can we remake the missing pages for the United States in the Extremis Ultimis page? The page was basically completed with the characters, images and names, and was only missing the tropes. It was taken down with the rest of the page when it was orphaned, can it be restored now that other users are editing it as well?
openAbout the Extremis Ultimis page Videogame
Can we remake the missing pages for the United States in the Extremis Ultimis page? The page was basically completed with the characters, images and names, and was only missing the tropes. It was taken down with the rest of the page when it was orphaned, can it be restored now that other users are editing it as well?
openAbout the Extremis Ultimis page Videogame
Can we remake the missing pages for the United States in the Extremis Ultimis page? The page was basically completed with the characters, images and names, and was only missing the tropes. It was taken down with the rest of the page when it was orphaned, can it be restored now that other users are editing it as well?
Along with my expansion of the data on various Harvest Moon (now Story of Seasons) games, I went and cleaned up the base Story of Seasons page because it was very wordy, had some dated references, and hadn't discussed much on the way the franchise had changed in years. That's when I saw that the base Harvest Moon page says—well, said—the exact same things that the Story of Seasons page says about the split and the game mechanics and plotline, including listing out all the games in the series. However, it's been ten years or so since the name split, and the page seems redundant as it's done right now and could be useful as a page to detail the split and link to the Harvest Moon games by Natsume which are a series in their own right.
Is the base page something that we ought to keep as is, or would it be more practical to turn into a shortened semi-disambiguate page that explains the split in the title and links to both the Marvelous page (now under Story of Seasons) and the Harvest Moon (Natsume) games?
ETA: Notably, the Harvest Moon page links to 633 articles and is often used as a shorthand for older games and the series as a whole before the 2014 name split, which is why I think it ought to remain with some details but stuff that's redundant to the Story of Seasons page be reduced.
Edited by Nethilia