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openAlternate Aesop Interpretation
Is it just me or does the good chunk of the main entries read like citationless Unfortunate Implications? Like this example on-page: " [...]What it ended up implying was that it's important for a woman to be passive and delicate so as not to hurt her boyfriend or husband's ego, or that if her partner cheats, it's her fault for being too outspoken and/or not passive enough. It also implies that a woman, no matter how knowledgeable about how to "slay the dragon" she may be, needs a man to solve all her problems for her." or "[...]Grand personal sacrifices for others - including, but not limited to, literal suicide - are totally cool as long as you don't want anything in return."
Edited by inbeforedashopenIs there any parameter for text under headers to be put in folders?
This is a question that popped on my mind when I was doing some structuring on the The Amazing Digital Circus pages. Specifically, when I put the "General" section of the newly-created Alternative Character Interpretation in a folder (to go in tandem with the folders in the "Episodes" section) among some cleanup, I went to check if any other pages had some sections with folders and others without them, I found the Heartwarming page, which had its "Misc." section without a folder; I attempted to put it in a folder, only to notice upon looking in the page's history that Shanwoo 444 (the same troper who created the Alternative Character Interpretation) had already done that before only to quickly remove it as they were creating folders for each episode under the "Episodes" header, at which I quickly reverted the changes (initially because I mis-read the entries for a moment and thought I added the "Misc." folder myself, meaning that I could have started an edit war, but I sticked to what I did anyway after seeing I didn't just in case).
What I'm asking is, in pages pertaining to examples of a trope in a specific work that use folders and headers at the same time, should folders only be used as further subsections for headers that have distinctive aspects separating the examples (e.g. the episode it takes place in), or is a single folder acceptable for any header regardless of how the distinction between its examples or even its length (as the Misc. section in the Heartwarming page is rather short with only two examples)? Shanwoo 444 and I seem to have rather different ways of organizing pages like these, given how I prefer to put everything in folders to keep things neat whereas they are fine with leaving headings without folders unless they address things such as episodes. I'm not really sure if there's any rule or recommendation addressed in the Administrivia pages on how to handle folders in this situation, and I'm asking this just to be safe on what to do.
openMass violation of admin policy on Peter and Company. Webcomic
The author of Peter and Company, who goes by the username PeterAndCompany, I'm pretty sure just violated The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours.
I quote the following:
- You may contest factual information and either make the changes or ask others to change it for you, as long as you are polite and respect consensus.
- You may inform us that your work has been removed and made permanently inaccessible to the public, in which case we may consider deleting our article(s). This requires agreement from the troper body.
- You may request removal of content that you believe is hostile or defamatory towards yourself or your work, but we hold final discretion as to what falls into those categories.
Nowhere have I seen the author do this at all; as far as I can tell, they also did not go to any of the cleanup pages. They instead gave a lengthy edit reason stating that they are the author in an attempt to justify their vandalism of the page, which as Edit War states, is not sufficient discussion; Essentially he is trying to claim ownership of the page.
He has also gone on the trivia page and the YMMV page to do the exact same thing, moreso with the latter especially on parts that have to do with the main webcomic itself, and has also engaged in Auto-Erotic Troping on both the Trivia and Main page. Admin has not indicated to me that he had the permission needed to make these edits, either.
He has also done the following which is something authors are not supposed to do, especially in regards to YMMV. I quote the following:
- You may not remove content from our articles on the basis that you disagree with it or do not like it.
I am open to input from the community and admin on this matter as to what can, should, or if anything can be done.
Edited by Stardust5099openAvoiding an edit war Anime
On Trivia.My New Boss Is Goofy, I added a Creator's Oddball entry but part of it was changed by Damolisher with this edit reason:
For context, MNBIG is targeted for young girls (IE shojo), so demographic wise it is indeed a shojo. However, I don't want to cause an edit war so asking here.
openCharacters page for Warcraft NPC species? Videogame
Wondering if it'd be reasonable to create a Characters page for NPC species in the Warcraft franchise. We of course already have pages for the playable factions, but the franchise has a number of species introduced at every expansion with their own themes, story beats and quirks. It would inevitably be a rather big page (probably big enough to be split in some way; something to think about if we decide to do it), but we honestly have similarly large pages for NPC's in other fantasy franchises (see the NPC pages for Dungeons and Dragons or Pathfinder, for example), so I don't think extent alone should be seen as a reason NOT do to it.
Should we do it, we'd also have to think about maybe reworking some already-existing pages; the page for Pandaria, for instance, alredy brings some entries on NPC races introduced in the Mists of Pandaria expansion. Those entries should maybe be moved.
Alternatively, we could create individual pages for characters introduced in each expansion, listing significant NPC's and having entries for the species there instead. "Big" characters (i.e. cosmic entities) could be kept separate, as they already are, but we add entries for every new species on their corresponding expansion page.
Edited by ZeroCCOopenWeird Edit Removal Reason Western Animation
On YMMV.Dexters Laboratory Walt K removed this entry
- Self-Fanservice:
- Dexter and Mandark get a lot of this in fanart.
- Dee Dee gets her fair share of this, especially when most artists think she'll take after her mom. It doesn't help that Dexter once described Dee Dee as "her hips a bit meaty".
they removed it with the edit reason "inappropriate" (presumably meaning "sexualizing characters from a children’s series is inappropriate")
Whether you agree with them or not, YMMV is just troping Audience Reactions, and we’ve had other Self-Fanservice entries from kids shows. Even if it is "inappropriate" we’re just troping what fans believe. Is this ok, or should I add it back?
openTeam-Up Series question
I’m having an issue regarding Team-Up Series. Apparently the trope is only used when one character teams up with another character each issue/episode, not the same person throughout the series.
My question is even if it’s the same person would being a team up still count? For example Superman/Batman. The series is a literal team-up between Superman and Batman, but doesn’t fit the team-up series trope. Is a second trope for when the main draw of a series is that two characters are teaming up?
openUnilateral warning
- CartoonLGBTfanofallTime: has added the Frollo example (2022)
- SpaceProtagonist: Removed with odd edit reason (2024)
- Slmfe0171 (Sayaka sock): Restored with odd edit reason
- Ferot_Dreadnaught: Reverted ban-evader's edit.
- Uenii (Sayaka sock): Restored
- CartoonLGBTfanofallTime: Added very specific warning that reads like invalid mini-modding
- StalkerGamer: Removes citing a discussion (aside technically reverting a ban-evader's edit)
- CartoonLGBTfanofallTime: Makes a false CV report accusing StalkerGamer of edit war, then finds the discussion, showing some misunderstanding regarding Hate Sink.
May not be violations individually, and the Hate Sink thread will likely decline it, I find the focus on this one example concerning, so recording for future reference.
openQuestion
What is it called when dialogue in fiction differs from dialogue in real life, such as how fictional people can talk without having to deliberate on their thoughts or pause etc, whereas in real life people generally don't have such an easy time elucidating their thoughts? I remember coming across a page on this wiki describing the fundamental differences between those things.
openDo Fan Videos and Fan Games count as Fanfic Recs?
I just found FanficRecs.Rhythm Heaven, which contains recommendations for 4 Fan Videos and 1 Fan Game, in addition to the 1 actual Fanfic. Should Fan Videos and Fan Games qualify for Fanfic Recs?
Edited by JHD0919openWhere and when to add?
Under Characters.My Little Pony Generation 5, there are these entries I have questions about:
- Missing Mom: Sunny's mother and why she's absent were just revealed. Should MM go under Sunny's folder or her mothers, or both?
- What Happened to the Mouse?: Despite Comet joining the main characters by the end of Season 1, he's been completely absent/unmentioned in Season 2, but it's just 1/3 a year and 1/5 of the planned content into the Season. How long does it take for WHTTM (or Chuck Cunningham Syndrome) to quality? End of Season?
openInformed Attribute Film
I want to do an Informed Attribute writeup for Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader but I have no idea where to put it. It seems pretty YMMV but also seems very specific to place directly in the franchise-wide YMMV page.
openEdit War on Escape from Vault Disney YMMV page
There appears to be an edit war on YMMV.Escape From Vault Disney. The tropers involved include Babishka and Konacha, as well as at least one other.
While I have no knowledge of the show in question, the edits seem to involve someone involved with the show being suspended from X (Twitter).
Edit history for the page in question.
Edited by fraggleloveropenCorrect formatting on trope pages
On Peer as Teacher, I fixed the formatting of an example from "In the French comic Les Profs," to "Les Profs: In the French comic,". The thing is it was changed back, and before I start an edit war, I want to clarify what is the proper format for adding an example of a trope page?
Edited by GateStarXopenIs this really obvious? Videogame
Potential edit warring.
I deleted this entry because it felt like a presumption on the tropers part, and they've recently added it back saying it's obvious. Can someone else weigh in?
Edited by Avenger09openWhere to go to get help making a work page
So I want to make a page for a fanfic I just finished reading, but I don't want it to just sit in my sandbox collecting dust like previous attempts at work pages have. I could just launch the page now as I've been working on it in Google Docs, but there are some things I'm unsure about, so I'd like some help.
openIs this walkthrough mode
I found this on Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes and I'm unsure if it is walkthrough mode.
- Easy Level Trick: The easiest way to recruit Hogan, who requires you to earn 50,000 Baqua of profit solely by buying/selling items at the Trade Depot, is buying as much trading items as possible before talking to him to initiate his side quest. That way, players can just run towards the nearby trading post and sell everything that can be traded to easily get him.
Does the Alien invasion trope applies when the invaders aren't classified as aliens, but as creatures from a fantasy world? Or is there a trope for that type of invasion specifically?