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openHigh quality Mojo Jojo vector Western Animation
Hey, everybody, I have just found a higher-quality picture of Mojo Jojo's pre-movie design. If you have a moment, I will show you:https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/superpoderosa/images/1/18/Mojo_jojo.png/revision/latest?cb=20230917234850&path-prefix=es Maybe we could use it for the The Powerpuff Girls / Main Antagonists page, on Mojo Jojo's folder.
resolved Start of an Edit War/Possible Sockpuppet? Western Animation
Hello! So I recently posted this in the "Is this an Example?" thread, and haven't really got replies, though they have been leaning to my side.
I found something that screams shoehorning from a biased source.
From the YMMV page of The Owl House:
- Broken Aesop: The Series Finale has two major ones;
- Earlier in the series, the show railed against the concept of a Chosen One, and said that people should carve out their own paths. Just before the climax however, it's revealed that the remnants of the dead Titan has been actively helping Luz in learning Magic and has picked her to be the one to stand up against Belos. Guess what? That makes her a fucking CHOSEN ONE!!!
- After Belos is defeated and no longer a threat, he starts begging for Luz to save him from death, saying that is she doesn't, she'll be just as "evil" as the witches, and "We're Human, we're better than this!", only for Eda and friends to push Luz aside, smugly say to Belos "Well we ain't!" and then gleefully stomp him to death and laugh, proving that despite everything the show preached, in his final moments, they proved that everything Belos said had some merit of truth to it.
Two huge problems with this. First, it's very clearly overly hostile and biased against the show judging by it's language, and attempting to whitewash Belos by suggesting he has a point. Secondly, both examples are taken completely out of context to form a rhetorical strawman. The first one isn't an example because she wasn't born with any special destiny. She only got the Titan's approval due to being her kind and loving self, especially to his son. The second is just plainly absurd. It's attempting to play moral judgement on some of the people who have suffered the most under the genocidal psychopath, when he had just made his second attempt to commit genocide against their species.
I took the liberty of removing the example from the YMMV page. Now that would be fine on it's own, even if I heavily disagree with it... If it weren't for this entry literally being a copy paste of something that was posted on the main page of the show which the troper Gamermaster removed. The weird part is that it was copy pasted onto the YMMV page by an entirely different user, and the first user has a total of two edits on their entire edit history, both of which are super hostile to modern Disney properties. Later on the person who posted it on the main Owl House page posted it right back on the YMMV page exactly as is without going to the "Is this an Example?" thread, and added further shoehorning. I removed those too... but now I am wondering if this is some sort of sockpuppeting situation due to the reasons listed above. At the very least it could warp into an Edit War.
openDonkey Kong as Mr. Fanservice Western Animation
So, what do you think about this trope on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/SMBMEveryoneElse?
openHelp a new troper make a fanfic rec page Western Animation
Not exactly about a trope, but I don't know if there's a more appropriate place to ask. I joined recently, so I'm still getting the hang of the site. I want to make a rec list for a work that so far doesn't have one, but I don't know some things... I have checked out some examples from other pages and read some Administratrivia, but I still have doubts:
Is it necessary to link Sturgeon's Law at the start?
Do I have to put "No-name recommendations will be zapped. Nobody would back up the rec"? I saw it done in all fic recs I've checked out minus two, so I don't know if it's mandatory. Besides, the template doesn't have it, so...
Do I organize them on folders? Do I need a minimum of examples to create a folder or something similar?
Do I have to link to the author too or just the name without a link is fine? With the link to the fanfic, of course.
What kind of fanfics should NOT be put in the page under any circumstances?
Considering the four folders that come in the page template (Authors and Websites, General Fics, Crossover Fics, and Shipping Fics), how can I determine that another folder has to be made?
If you want to leave additional advice, I'm all ears. Thank you in advance.
openIsn't Luz's Titan form in the Owl House count as One-Winged Angel? Western Animation
So in the finale of the Owl House, Luz turns into a Titan to battle Belos. Considering she's not only turning into something more powerul but also isn't human, shouldn't Luz Titan form count as One-Winged Angel?
openDoes this count as a leak? Western Animation
Recap.Phineas And Ferb contains a list of episode titles from the upcoming 5th season of the show, taken from "the copyright records". While it sounds more official than dubious leaks that come from nowhere, since it doesn't come from an official channel should it be taken off the page until it premieres?
openAngry Kaeloo fans harassing me over edits+ Edit War Western Animation
- On the YMMV page of popular French cartoon show Kaeloo, Randomness Unlimited put out a bunch of entries dedicated to bashing the character of Pretty, beginning with this one until the last one.
- Because I felt it was unfair to Pretty and the fact I found a lot of fansnote On TikTok, of all places who actually liked her characterization in season 5, I altered the entries to make them sound neutral.
- Randomness Unlimited not only undoes my edits and reverts the page back to what it was, but they derisively referred to me as a "Pretty fan".
- On top of that, I got a passive-aggressive notifier from another troper named Goat Who Screams for my edits.
Not only is there an Edit War, but it feels like the duo are acting derisive with those who disagree with them.
Edited by skan123openContinuity Nod Subpages Western Animation
I have been thinking of creating a Continuity Nod subpage for My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, but I am unsure about how Equestria Girls would fit in. EQG has had plenty of nods to the main show which are designated as Continuity Nods on their main pages. Would such references go on a hypothetical Continuity Nod subpage for the main series or would there have to be a separate subpage for EQG?
I'm not sure if such a question like this would fit for Ask The Tropers so please tell me it doesn't fit.
openProblematic edit Western Animation
Blood Red Knight made this entry a couple of years ago on the YMMV page for the South Park episode "The Death Camp of Tolerance":
- The entire issue of people accusing people of homophobia for things they are right to be uncomfortable with is this with Florida's so-called "Don't Say Gay" bill which, while intended to attack teachers who permit sexually explicit material in elementary schools, also requires teachers to out students to their parents.
I'm not sure from reading this what point it's trying to make, but due to how it's worded it could be seen as defending homophobia, and from my understanding the bill is meant to restrict any discussion of LGBT issues, explicit or otherwise, so the entry seems misleading. Should it be cut?
Edited by Javertshark13openPages like Funny, Tearjerker, Heartwarming, etc. Western Animation
Hi there!
My name is firstfullmoonofwinter13, and I have a question. If I wanted to suggest a page similar to the Funny page, Tearjerker page, etc. (idk what they’re actually called), where should I go to make the suggestion?
Hope to hear from someone soon!
openVery irregularly formatted subpage Western Animation
I brought this up in the Ensemble Darkhorse Cleanup Thread but haven't gotten a response yet. While I'm okay to wait for that, I thought I'd also bring it up here since only have of the issue I have is with general cleanup and the other half is somewhat more wiki policy/best practices.
EnsembleDarkhorse.Transformers opens with listing, by year, entrants into the Transformers Hall of Fame. While whether or not that is necessarily fitting for Ensemble Dark Horse is probably more an issue for the thread (with a brand as large as Transformers, determining whether a character is "minor" or "popular" are both difficult to do), that format seems to be... weird.
Edited by LarkmarnopenPage quote change (needs consensus?) Western Animation
Hi, I noticed that the image quote on Hazbin Hotel was recently changed by Cluelessscholar. Normally I wouldn't be bothered with this, but since the show's page is very popular at the moment and receiving constant edits I felt it would be appropriate to gain consensus on whether the new or old one should be used. I sent them a notifier but they have not replied. Thoughts?
Edited by EllipsicleopenSingle issue wonk Western Animation
Most of M 3 S's The Owl House related edits seem to consist of adding walls of texts critizing the behavior of Amity. Is this a cause for concern?
Edited by ViiraopenPermission to revert an entry on Characters/DannyPhantomOthers Western Animation
On December 24th, 2021, I added the entry Jerk with a Heart of Gold to the character of Mr. Lancer:
- Jerk with a Heart of Gold: For all he acts like a Sadist Teacher, he does care about his students and wants to see them succeed in school, and can be somewhat fair at times. And while he has been a Dirty Coward before, he's demonstrated a willingness to jump in and protect his students if need be.
- Jerk with a Heart of Jerk: Throughout the series he has been nothing but a narcissistic Sadist Teacher, who constantly displays a Condescending Compassion tone of voice. The only times when he “cares” about his students is when he can benefit the current situation at hand. In addition, whenever he has been “fair” to his students, it usually involves either him playing favorites with the popular students or if he can solely benefit from the situation. And while he has been a Dirty Coward before, he's demonstrated a willingness to jump in and protect his students if need be, if only to realize his way out of depth.
Recently however, on rewatching some episodes where he was prominent, I thought back to this and decided to take the matter here, particularly after putting Lordknightwolf's handle into the search function now available on the Edit History revealed they appear to have an agenda regarding Mr. Lancer, deleting entries that would suggest he is in any way not a Jerk with a Heart of Jerk, such as a Characterization Marches On entry with a heated edit reason, as well as adding him to the Jerks Are Worse Than Villains entry claiming he had no sympathetic traits, which was accordingly changed by generation81.
So, I take the matter here to ATT: Should Mr. Lancer be reverted to a Jerk with a Heart of Gold entry? Or should he remain as a Jerk with a Heart of Jerk entry?
Edited by RebelFalconopenThundercats image source Western Animation
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Thunder Cats 2011 have another Image Source outside of Heroes Prefer Swords and Cradle To Grave Character? Or am I remembering something else?
openTrivia page for Potsworth & Company Western Animation
The Trivia page for Potsworth & Company was cut for only having a cut trope on it. However, I wish to recreate it to list a Keep Circulating the Tapes example. Should I do so?
openNot a good example of Shallow Parody? Western Animation
This entry has been bothering me for a while now, and I think I figured out how to articulate my reasonings. In the Western Animation section for Shallow Parody, this is said for Teen Titans Go!:
- The episode "Squash and Stretch" has the Titans watching a Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner parody with parodies of Gumball and Darwin in the title characters' roles, seeming to indicate the writers never watched TAWoG, but wanted to parody it anyway.
My issue with this, is In Wander Over Yonder, there’s a reference to Gravity Falls, but it’s more a parody of Scooby-Doo, yet it gets listed as a Shout-Out.
So my question is, why is it when WoY does a parody of a show that uses the designs but the plot of a different show, it’s considered a Shout-Out, yet when TTG does the exact same thing it’s considered a Shallow Parody?
Edited by BlueBlazes
Over a recap page, no less. Troper Juan 000 made an edit, it got slashed due to trope misuse, yet near-identical version was re-added