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openIndigogo Links Print Comic
I am doing pages for several works but it's available through Indigogo. Am I allowed to post Indigogo links?
Edited by SynchronicityopenX-Cellent Print Comic
I discovered that we have two different pages for Marvel's X-Cellent series - X-Cellent and The X-Cellent (2023). Is it really necessary to have two different work pages, considering that one is just a continuation of the other?
openPossible edit war - Characters/XMenSinister Print Comic
Earlier today Halogen added a Scam Religion example to the X-Men: Sinister page.
I amended it to add some spoiler tagging, as an event mentioned in the example is after the shared universe spoiler cut-off point listed for the page.
Halogen has now changed it back, deleting the spoiler tagging again, with no discussion or edit reason.
I don't know if that's because they don't view it as a spoiler, but I don't want to unilaterally change it back. Am I ok to revert it?
Edited by Mrph1openMoving appearances in various media section on Carnage pages? Print Comic
I was thinking of moving the "Carnage's appearances in various media:" section from the Marvel Comics: Carnage page to Carnage to make it closer to the Venom page.
Thoughts?
openSuperman = Almighty Janitor? Print Comic
We all know how powerful Superman is, but can he really be considered an Almighty Janitor? An Almighty Janitor is a character who nominally holds a low rank in his official job, but he is actually more powerful and influential than he initially appears.
In both the comics and the DC Animated Universe (which doesn't deviate that much from the main comics), Clark is a front-page columnist at a newspaper as famous as the New York Times and can afford a family apartment in downtown Metropolis, which means he probably earns a six-figure paycheck. Also, in Superman (2023), his wife becomes acting Editor-in-Chief after Perry White suffered a seizure.
So, what do you think?
Edited by MasterHeroopenCharacter page - alphabetical order? Print Comic
Just looking at X-Men: 2000s Members - it's a single list, it's not sorted by name, and (although it does cover a specific era) it's not sorted by date.
It doesn't seem to be 'core cast first' either.
This is a fairly common scenario for comic character pages for teams and rogues' galleries.
Is there some best practice guidance on how pages like this should be arranged?
(Will also flag this on the discussion page, but it's not specific to that one page - just using it as a case study)
Thanks!
openAdding a Deconstructed Character Archetype page for Sonic the Hedgehog IDW Print Comic
So, I was wondering: would it be okay to add in a Deconstructed Character Archetype page for Sonic the Hedgehog (IDW)? It feels like the Deconstructed Character Archetypes with this series is growing each time a new character is introduced into the series and it seems like the many deconstructions done with this series is growing with each issue.
openTransformers English/Japanese Names? Print Comic
I just saw the Mazinger Z Versus Transformers page and was confused when I saw that it used the Japanese names for the Transformers characters. I get that those were the names used in the manga's original Japanese, but is there a precedent about whether this page should use the English or Japanese names for the characters?
(Also, since this is a manga that didn't get adapted into an anime, I've put this in the "Print Comic" category. Let me know if that's correct or not.)
openStar Trek: Debt of Honor reversions Print Comic
Need to ask permission to partially revert a couple of changes on Star Trek: Debt of Honor, both to avoid edit-warring (I made most of the page) and because mods did them.
𝕋𝕒𝕓𝕤 deleted this example:
- Mixed Ancestry:
- As T'Cel explains, her mother, a full-blooded Romulan, was rescued from an escape pod as a child and mistaken for a Vulcan, as nobody in the Federation knew they were the same species yet. T'Cel, like Saavik, is half-Vulcan, but chose to rejoin her mother's people and embrace her Romulan half (whereas Saavik is shunned by some of T'Cel's crew for hewing to her Vulcan half).
- T'Kir is as well. However while the book openly establishes that she's of mixed race, and T'Kir is keen to learn more about her father's people, the clues as to what the other half actually is are far more subtle. It's heavily implied that she's Kirk's daughter.
I think I can use Nonhuman Humanoid Hybrid for this.
Second, Septimus Heap changed "Part of Volume 2 of the Star Trek (DC Comics) series." to "The markup is: Part of..." while removing a wick to Needs Wiki Magic Love, which is just weird wording. I want to change that to "The comic is part of..."
openWork page titles for arcs - should they include the series/franchise name? Print Comic
As I understand it, works pages should reflect the (or at least an) official title of the work in question.
In the ComicBook namespace, we have quite a few pages for arcs within a single series (or Bat Family Crossover events officially badged under a single series/character title) that only use the subtitle and not the series/character title.
So, for example -
- The Celestial Madonna Saga is an Avengers arc and the collected edition is titled Avengers: The Celestial Madonna Saga. There are no crossovers and no other titles involved in that arc.
- Days of Future Past is an X-Men story that's collected and sold as X-Men: Days of Future Past. Again, it's entirely from one series, Uncanny X-Men, not a crossover event.
- The Demon Bear Saga is a New Mutants arc and collected/sold as New Mutants: The Demon Bear Saga.
- God Loves, Man Kills... well, as you can see on the works page, the cover has X-Men as a prominent part of the title.
- Mutant Massacre is a Bat Family Crossover that covers three different X-books (plus odd issues of Thor and Daredevil, but is packaged and sold as X-Men: Mutant Massacre.
...you get the idea. I don't think there are many disambiguation concerns with the current names, if any. But we're inconsistent on this and many, many ComicBook pages have included the series title or character name as a prefix to the arc/event name.
It seems odd that we're editing down the names to remove the character/comic/franchise element when there are no character-limit issues, and when that's not the version that the publisher's officially using.
(It also increases the number of oddities in alphabetical indexes - e.g. tropers put One More Day and Go Down Swinging under S, because they know they're Spider-Man stories, but unless you're looking at the index page itself the structure and ** / *** bullets aren't visible)
So, subject to discussion on the relevant pages and elsewhere, is it worth a tidy up that attempts to move them?
(One note on this: due to the film of the same name, we'd probably need to add a year to X-Men: Days of Future Past to disambig if we do move it - but that's the exception)
Edited by Mrph1openX-Men - "Soft Serve" and Bob's Background Mutants Print Comic
An odd one -
Characters.X Men Krakoans includes three joke characters created by artist Bob Quinn (Slamazon, Soft Serve and Glowbrie). They were invented and named on his Twitter and then, when he was drawing X-comics (work-for-hire, so not creator owned), he drew them into the background of big crowd scenes - Slamazon and Glowbrie have had one panel each, Soft Serve's had two. None get dialogue or are identified in any way.
Their names and powers aren't canon or directly acknowledged by Marvel. Soft Serve, who apparently has the power to “poop ice cream” prompted an indirect reference from a writer in another X-book, mentioning a mutant girl with the power to create great ice cream, but that's it.
(I believe all of the art used on the character page is from Bob's Twitter, not the published comics. In the comics Soft Serve is practically a stick figure holding an ice cream cone who's only visible if you zoom in, for example)
So they're basically somewhere between very short fanfic and an in-joke. There Is No Such Thing as Notability, but I'm also a little wary of a page about Marvel Universe characters starting to accumulate fanon along with canon.
My instinct is to delete their character entries until/unless they actually, officially join the Marvel Universe - and to put something on the relevant Trivia pages to acknowledge Bob hiding them in crowd scenes as a joke. Does that sound appropriate?
(I think we've got a vaguely similar issue on Characters.Marvel Comics Captain Britain Corps, where some of the Captain Airstrip One tropes seem to be taken from fanfic in a 1980s UK fanzine, not from anything Marvel ever published - but the trope list makes no distinction. Still researching this one, though)
Thanks!
Edited by Mrph1openUse of [[Invoked]] tags to suppress trivia icons Print Comic
Looking at Characters.Deadpool Wade Wilson, there have been some recent changes to stop Word of God triggering the usual Trivia warning when used to support an example.
Am I right in thinking it shouldn't really be used that way on Characters / Works / Tropes pages?
(There are also indentation issues, but before I start trying to fix them, I thought I'd get a steer on this first)
From one Ship Tease example:
*** [[invoked]] WordOfGod states that the two seem very lonely, and admits that while the majority were rooting for Rogue and ComicBook/{{Gambit}}, he wanted to try something new and unexpected. Chapter 23's recap classifies Rogue and Deadpool's evening previous chapter as their first date.
That doesn't look like the usual use of 'invoked' as it's not in-universe Word of God by characters discussing a Show Within a Show, for example - but is it also permitted for suppressing the Trivia tag when fleshing out an example that doesn't solely rely on it?
My assumption is no, but...?
Thanks!
Edited by Mrph1openWonder Woman having two lassoes? Print Comic
I was reading Adaptational Badass and found this entry for Wonder Woman.
"In the comic books Wonder Woman has two lariats, the lasso of compulsion and the lasso of truth, with two different sets of powers and can't effectively use them both at the same time unless one of the Wonder Girls is there to hold the other."
Now I've read Wonder Woman Volume 3 and Volume 4 and there is no mention of this restriction. On the DC wiki page, the lasso of persuasion (not compulsion) is mentioned as belonging to Donna, but doesn't mention the restriction either.
I'm inclined to delete this example, but I have to admit that I haven't read any Volume 2 comics nor Teen Titans comics. Is there anyone knowledgable enough to point to the comics where this is mentioned?
Edited by BenbeastedopenWas the ending of Punisher Max a bittersweet one? Print Comic
As my question implies, was Punisher Max's ending a bittersweet one? Yes, Frank is dead, and Fury says that sooner or later, crime will resurface. However, it's not a complete Downer Ending. Fisk, Elektra, Bullseye, and Vanessa are all dead, and many vigilante groups are fighting back and taking charge of their lives, wearing Frank's skull as their symbol. And like I said, Frank is dead, but at least he's finally reunited with his family in death. So again, I ask, does Punisher Max end on a bittersweet note?
Edited by Russell316openMarvel Comics Deities Print Comic
Just earlier today, I had made a new folder on Characters.Marvel Comics Deities for Yahweh/God. However, towards the end of my editing time, I realized that a good portion of the tropes there are from Howard the Duck MAX, which is a mature audience satire, so the canonicity may be murky. I don't have the book, but I was reading off of the Marvel Wiki, which seems to consider that book canon. Should I comment that folder out?
openMissing Morbius references? Print Comic
Did the Marvel character Morbius used to have a Nightmare Fuel page? Or a presence on some other Marvel-related Nightmare Fuel page? Also, I seem to recall there was a page that mentioned how Morbius once absolutely massacred a particular group of evill humans, but I can't seem to find any such references... Am I imagining things, or maybe they were deleted, or maybe I just haven't found them yet?
openSpoiler policy - Ghost Rider Print Comic
Back in August, this note was added to Ghost Rider (2022), just above the list of examples:
Given that it's the latest volume in a series that's been running on and off for 50 years, with the return of the original protagonist in place of the Legacy Character versions of recent decades, I can see that it may have some late arrival spoilers for everything that's gone before, but declaring the whole page Spoilers Off seems a bit much.
The tropers who are actively following the series and updating the page seem fine with it, but it does seem inconsistent with our usual approach to works pages for serialised works (and in general, I think).
Should I just delete it and start tagging spoilers?
EDIT: Note also left on discussion page & PM sent to active tropers, pointing to this ATT.
Edited by Mrph1openCustom WikiWord not displaying? (X-Men '92) Print Comic
Help!
I may be missing something really obvious here, but -
ComicBook.X Men 92 is displayed as X-Men '92 on its own works page.
But X Men 92 isn't picking up that formatting when I link from other works pages. And looking at ‘referenced by’, this seems to he a wider issue for its other links.
Is it a known bug? Is there a workaround of any sort?
Thanks!
openCustom WikiWord and CamelCase issues at page creation Print Comic
Hi,
I’m sure I should understand this one by now, but it's still bugging me (no pun intended):
X-Treme X-Men (2001) should have been ComicBook/XTremeXMen2001 (to match ComicBook/XTremeXMen2022, ComicBook/XTremeXMen2012, ComicBook/XTremeXMen and pretty much every other XMen title across the franchise. But it's actually ComicBook/XTremeXmen2001.
As it was a redirect for a while, until the other pages were launched and disambiguation was needed, I've only just noticed the issue (I didn't launch the page, and haven't checked all the way back to see who did).
Do we have a way to fix this so that we don't have to put incorrect CamelCase on every trope or works page that links to it? If so, does that mean we need to cut and recreate it? Or are we doomed now that a custom title is set?
Thanks!
Edited by Mrph1
Trivia.Wonder Woman 1942 has an image on it, which no other Trivia page has. I'm pretty sure that Trivia pages aren't allowed to have images at all. Is it okay to remove it?