If you spot an article that has more natter than one person can handle without losing their lunch, report it here.
Fix as much as you can bear to, then call on us for help. 
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Feb 25th 2024 at 10:26:27 AM
Real Life for What Could Have Been has entered Thread Mode in the politics section and Religion and Technology. What should we do when the example is "What would it be like if X happened differently/never happened" and then someone else adds a bullet point and explains what would have happened?
edited 6th Jul '13 11:34:52 AM by Someoneman
"In distress", my ass.
^ Given the very first line of the page arguably it shouldn't have an RL section in the first place, as there's no writer for RL. That, however, is for the "Real Life section maintenance" thread
(where I'll bring it up after I post this).
Sanity is overrated
Radar.Wizards Of Waverly Place is highly infected. I tried to remove one obvious example only to realize, that the entire page is suffering.
edited 25th Jul '13 3:47:08 AM by Zeanobia
#nolivesmatter
The Milkman
I'd axe the Do Androids Dream? example. It's phrased in an inflammatory way, and doesn't really add anything that the first example hasn't already covered.
Since I'm posting in this thread, I might as well mention that I removed a whole slew of natter in Machine Monotone, but left a bit in. I might have another go at it later, unless someone wants to help out...?
This happened because Tim had made a mistake.
Lost in Space
The various real-life related sections of Damn You, Muscle Memory! are terrifying. I took a chainsaw to cars and computers but it's more than I can do in one sitting.
Edit: Damn typo.
edited 10th Oct '13 6:53:07 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
The bigger issue I see there is that these are all a big Real Life section that takes, what, 80% of the page.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Why the hell does that trope even have examples beyond specific fanworks anyway?
edited 11th Oct '13 1:22:14 PM by nrjxll
Oi. I recall de-nattering another subpage of that more than one year ago - it was awful.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Looks like most of the subpages for Alternative Character Interpretation are just full of natter and discussion. Some of the entries belong on WMG or are just plain not examples. Honestly, just looking at it is giving me a headache.
My alignment is Chaotic Cute.
don't ask me about my niche
LOOK MOM! I see a natter here! Yet another natter-infected page
edited 16th Oct '13 6:26:44 PM by porkyThegrumpiest
It's either real or it's a dream
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
51 wow, that page (sweet dreams fuel) must have slipped under the radar very well. seriously, 51 results for this troper!
Lost in Space
DoubleEntendre.Western Animation has a bit of an infestation of natter and bad indentation. I noticed while trimming down an Adventure Time example.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Artistic License – Traditional Christianity: I just had a conversation with one of its editors and it seems to have become a discussion about Christianity in part. Does someone know enough about the subject to weed it all out?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Yeesh, that's bad. I'm not really sure that it's salvageable, to be honest. I think I saw one (1) specific example in the entire page. It's currently a summation of "common misconceptions about traditional Christianity", which is not the point of Artistic Licence pages.
The only thing I saw in that list of theological lecturing and debate that even resembles an example was the explanation of the three kings visiting Jesus. Frankly, I say it needs to be cut as it stands, because it's just that bad. What's sad is that there are probably plenty of legit examples that are not being added to the page because there's no where to currently put them.
There is no Planet B
I'd support a heavy cleanup on the page. With a chainsaw. I admit though I haven't read it. It gives me a headache.
A cleanup to what? Right now, if we cut the bad "examples", we'd get one or maybe two examples left. Which isn't enough for a page.
edited 7th Nov '13 10:51:51 PM by Nocturna
That sounds like cutting the page and putting any valid examples on the main Artistic License – Religion page is the best course of action.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
There is no Planet B
Agreed then.I had no idea it's that bad.
It's either real or it's a dream
The "Real Life" Section of Awesome, but Impractical here is filled with natter and justifying edits, so much so i doubt i could have the time to clean it up.
The Beta Male
The Headscratchers section for The Matrix. It's quite jarring to read. This is just a small section:
- Residual self-image. Doesn't work. Try to think of exactly what you look like. First of all, everyone should have been mirror image. Second, people should have had significantly less detail. Third, look up "homunculus" on Wikipedia or most anywhere else (not the alchemy one, the other one). Finally, just LOOK at Carrie-Anne Moss. Trinity is just screaming eating disorder. Therefore, I'd guess that her residual self-image would be some 300 lb.
- The RSI isn't meant to be taken absolutely literally, as though the person has total control over what they appear as in the Matrix. Just accept that the information for what you "should" look like exists in inchoate, vague form in your brain, and the super-magic technology of the Matrix is able to read it and fill in the blanks, much as modern CG can generate a relatively detailed picture from relatively sparse input, thanks to being able to match it to common patterns.
- And whether it came across clearly or not, I do think it's pretty obvious that one of the things about RSIs is that the Zion agents' RSIs make them look a lot more, well, generic than real people. The movie is shot such that everyone's faces look really smooth and expressionless in the Matrix, and only in "real life" do we see wrinkles, laugh and frown lines, nuances of facial twitches, etc.
- Also, low, low blow about the eating disorder comment, man. Seriously, get off the high horse. Also, I totally fail to see how the homunculus fallacy has anything to do with this. No one is saying there really is a "little Neo" inside Neo's brain that the computer is able to find, just that in Neo's brain resides a pattern saying how Neo's body "should" look (just as there is for *everything else Neo knows or thinks*) and that the computer uses that as a template for Neo's appearance — presumably because a body that didn't match how Neo "should" look would cause him psychological problems. (The origin of the term "residual self-image" is from the fact that people who have had some major alteration to their appearance in real life often constantly imagine themselves as their previous selves, and being forced to confront the change in their physical state often causes grave psychological distress. Amputees or people who've had radical reconstructive surgery or whatnot can't stand looking at themselves in the mirror, etc.)
- I concur with the above. A couple years ago, I cut my hip length hair to about three inches and donated it. For weeks afterward, I couldn't recognize myself in mirrors, and kept reaching back to adjust a non existent ponytail. Now I've grown it back out a little, and continually treat it as shorter than it is. Your mental image of what you should look like is astonishingly iron-clad.
- well if you think about it trin's appearance in the matrix changes a lot over the coarse of the three movies, in the first she is soft and shapely, round face, smooth skin, looking very nice in skin tight leather. by the 3rd movie she is looking really haggard, her face has lost a lot of flesh, check bones are showing through more and more. this may be a justification for the eating disorder comment.
- Carrie-Anne Moss was pregnant during the filming of the sequels. This might explain any differences in her physical appearance over the course of the films.
- The RSI isn't meant to be taken absolutely literally, as though the person has total control over what they appear as in the Matrix. Just accept that the information for what you "should" look like exists in inchoate, vague form in your brain, and the super-magic technology of the Matrix is able to read it and fill in the blanks, much as modern CG can generate a relatively detailed picture from relatively sparse input, thanks to being able to match it to common patterns.
Four bullet indent...
edited 12th Jan '14 1:07:12 PM by GameSpazzer
MY SOUL IS DARK BUT MY HAIR IS COLORFUL — Brahian Pokémon Alchemist
If anyone's familiar with Australia (or even if not, I'll need all the help I can get), Aussies with Artillery needs some scrubbing. Especially the bit under "Fun Facts" about comparing invading Australia to invading Russia, which seems to have devolved into a weird dick-measuring contest.
A genius, a philosopher, an abstract thinker
RidiculouslyHumanRobots.Film, while a fairly short page, has a general problem with Natter. Previous editors seemed to think the trope needed to be justified and the page became filled with wide speculation and Conversation In The Main Page. I'm inclined to cut all the extraneous stuff.
edited 12th Feb '14 8:11:59 AM by Morgenthaler
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
I just took a look at Artistic License – Law, and ... just, wow.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Hm, anyone else agree with axing that?
There's also Feedthe Kitty and which devolves into thread mode.
Green Aesop suffers from natter and Zero Context Examples.
Edit: Unfazed Everyman is suffering from natter and thread mode.
edited 15th Jun '13 12:48:28 PM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.