Regarding the Trivia namespace (crowner switched 20th Jan 2020)

If I might hazard a guess, it's YMMV because the "genius" part of Genius Bonus is subjective. What is common knowledge for on person may be extremely esoteric to somebody else.

edited 13th Oct '16 2:36:47 PM by GnomeTitan

That's my understanding as well. The degree to which any particular fact is "for smart people only" is highly subjective.

edited 13th Oct '16 2:38:26 PM by Fighteer

As far as I know, Genius Bonus is YMMV because the line where something becomes a Genius Bonus as opposed to something most people should know is subjective. It's a type of jokes, shout-outs, or easter eggs targetted at a specific subset of the audience (which may be the main intended audience).

It's not really relevant here anyway. This is the Trivia thread, not the YMMV thread.

Looping Lines looks like trivia to me.

Why? To me, it looks like a useful note that shouldn't even have examples.

Calling:

• California Doubling (10 votes, 9:1)
• Doubling for London (10 votes, 9:1)
• Voices in One Room (10 votes, unanimous)

edited 14th Oct '16 11:31:58 PM by Morgenthaler

Can any of these tropes be considered Trivia?

• Absentee Actor
• Long-Runners
• Market-Based Title
• One-Book Author
• Real Life Writes the Plot
• Written-In Absence

So can we add Actor Allusion to the crowner?

I addressed those earlier.

Here's my thoughts:

• Absentee Actor - Absolutely not Trivia. Despite the name, it's "a character doesn't show up in an episode even though there's no reason plot-wise." That's certainly within the universe, thus not Trivia
• Written-In Absence - Not Trivia, considering it's specifically about a show addressing a character's non-appearance.
• Long-Runners - I'm torn on this one. On one hand, it seems Trivia-esque. It certainly doesn't have to do with the story. On the other, it's still within the work that it's been going on for a long time.
• Market-Based Title - This could stand to be Trivia.
• One-Book Author - I do think this should be Trivia, though.
• Real Life Writes the Plot - This I'm kind of torn on as well. As it says, it does write the plot so it's definitely tied to the story. And many of its subtropes are unequivocally NOT Trivia. But this just feels Trivia-y to me. But the sheer number of wicks and subtropes leads me to lean towards not count it as Trivia.

edited 18th Oct '16 6:06:53 AM by Larkmarn

Real Life Writes the Plot may be tied to the story, but it still requires context not found within the work itself and should probably be Trivia.

edited 18th Oct '16 9:30:37 AM by Karxrida

My issue is the fact that a ridiculous number of subtropes are blatantly not Trivia. As long as we can acknowledge that it being Trivia doesn't mean the subtropes have to be Trivia, I'm fine moving it.

edited 18th Oct '16 9:44:25 AM by Larkmarn

I think that's allowed.

Though I feel like a number of them shouldn't be subtropes and instead just be related tropes.

In that case, I'm super for Real Life Writes the Plot being Trivia.

Like I said, my only issue is that... at least half of the subtropes are incredibly not Trivia (Bottle Episode? Killed Off for Real?).

It is absolutely sure for tropes to be subtropes for Trivia or YMMV items, or vice versa.

What does Killed Off for Real have to do with Real Life Writes the Plot anyway?

edited 18th Oct '16 12:19:24 PM by TropesForever

That sounds like a mistake. Killed Off for Real is completely intrinsic to the plot and has no implication of being caused by real-life events (of course it can be, but so can almost any trope). Perhaps somebody mistook it for Actor Existence Failure?

edited 18th Oct '16 12:39:11 PM by GnomeTitan

If I can't add Actor Allusion and Casting Gag to this crowner, can I make a separate one that doesn't hook to this thread?

Also, I would like to suggest adding Practical Effects to this crowner.

I don't think anybody said that you can't add the to the crowner, just that they didn't think it was trivia. I'm not quite sure if any permission is needed to add things to the crowner, but it is frowned upon to add them without discussion.

Creating your own crowner would be pointless and disruptive as well. It is the crowner in this thread that decides what is trivia or not.

The point isn't that they should potentially be classified as trivia, it's that they should potentially be classified as not trivia.

But couldn't that be decided by the usual crowner?

Obvious Second Choice looks like trivia to me.

That's what I suggested before, Vote up to keep them as trivia, vote down to remove them.

Translation Correction is now at 10:1, which is sufficient.

No one's answered my question about the crowner.

Also, I think it might be worth TRSing Casting Gag to work out the differences between it and Actor-Inspired Element, and to fix its vague name which causes people to mistake it for Actor Allusion. I'd do it myself, but I've already made enough unopened TRS threads.