Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

to all writeups.

Also, I think it's high time we gave Pretty Cure its own Complete Monster subpage, as it's got five different detailed Monsters. Same deal with Dance in the Vampire Bund.

edited 26th Nov '14 2:45:50 PM by Scraggle

Could probably also do the same for Devilman.

Speaking of individual pages, should we index the Star Trek Monster page and move all the TV and other examples there?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Monster/StarTrek

Does anyone have any ideas for an image or quote, besides the ones I mentioned a while back?

Also has anyone played the Delta Rising expansion for Star Trek Online? Because at one point there was a suggestion the main villain of that expansion could be a CM.

Also those are some good write ups ACW.

edited 26th Nov '14 5:10:44 PM by TheOverlord

Speaking of Pretty Cure, if it's not yet time to nominate Deep Mirror, I'd say it's just a matter of weeks, considering he brainwashed pretty much all the major villains of the series (Cure Mirage and Phantom especially come to mind) other than himself and is doing everything in his power to keep them under his control, and I think it's pretty clear his main purpose is to, you guessed it, Take Over the World.

"Of course!"

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

5 monsters seems like a lot for what, if I understand right, is a relatively short series. Have those all been voted on?

EDIT: I'm talking about Dance in the Vampire Bund, not precure.

edited 26th Nov '14 7:55:56 PM by KyleJacobs

Every one. It's not that short, either. It's 13 volumes, a sequel series and a lot of spinoffs

Deep Mirror is a possible candidate for sure, but hold off on nominating him until the show actually ends. There is a chance he could have a tragic backstory leading to redemption (unlikely). There is a bigger chance that he's some sort of personification of sadness/despair/whatever like the last few villains have been.

So, permission to do those 3 new subpages? As for Star Trek, we can probably do that. I'll submit the writeups Saturday or Sunday. Happy Turkey Day everyone!

I just found this on Taxi Driver.

• Complete Monster: The bearded passenger who tells Travis (in crude language) how he is going to murder his wife. Probably averted with Sport in the scene with Iris which implies that he actually does care about her.
  • However pimps like Sport often tell their prostitutes that they love them and convince them that they love them so the prostitutes don't leave...

Ugh. Unless the bearded passenger actually, you know, DOES something, he's not even a qualifier. Does Sport do anything?

I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know. I just found someone asking about on Ask The Tropers. At it's current state, cut it anyway, as nothing heinous is mentioned in either example.

edited 27th Nov '14 7:34:58 AM by SatoshiBakura

I haven't seen it either, but yeesh, the passenger for SAYING he's gonna kill someone? That doesn't even meet the BASELINE heinous standard, much less whatever the standard for the work is.
BTW, by the end of Sunday, I HOPE to finish Gundam; I'll also create the pages for Dance...Bund, Devilman, and Pretty Cure; and hopefully finalize an image for Creepypasta (I'm gonna try and combine several of Red).

edited 27th Nov '14 8:05:23 AM by ACW

I don't think we even see the passenger again, and in any case he fails the heinous standard of the movie.

Its been a couple of years since I saw Taxi Driver, so my memory is a bit fuzzy. But the point of the passenger was to add to Travis Bickle's (the main character) own violent fantasies, with Travis slowly becoming more disgusted with society and becoming disturbed by people like the passenger.

Sport is more of a contender, he employs a child prostitute named Iris in his services, which makes him really loathsome and that becomes the trigger that makes Travis go on a shooting spree at Sport's brothel, where Travis kills Sport's crew and the john that was with Iris.

Now Sport is a bad guy, but his actions with Iris are only thing that makes him really loathsome, otherwise he is just a generic pimp.

Travis is also not the most sympathetic protagonist out there, he tries to assassinate a Presidential candidate, for no good reason. His shooting spree at the brothel is a bit more understandable, considering he was trying to save Iris from her pimp. Travis comes off as a borderline racist nut case, who is having trouble controlling his own violent fantasies.

I'm not sure this film can have a Complete Monster, the passenger doesn't count, Sport is nasty but his actions are limited to one victim and the main character seems do a couple of heinous things on his own in the film.

edited 27th Nov '14 4:52:47 PM by TheOverlord

If Travis tries to kill someone who's done nothing to him, to everyone else from that movie.

So I'm reading David Gemmell now, and I think there are two definite keepers andone 'possible' so far. The first I'll mention is the Big Bad of Gemmell's second novel in the Drenai series, The King Beyond The Gate, Emperor Ceska of the Drenai

Who Is He?

Ceska is the elected emperor of the Drenai people. Once a promising and dynamic young man, Ceska has become a bloated, tyrannical and violently unstable despot who brutalizes his own people and wages war around himself. Allying himself with a cult of sorcerers, Ceska also has 'The Joinings' created: fusing animals with humans to create tormented, mind-controlled beastmen as an elite army.

What Does He Do?

Ceska, putting it bluntly, runs the Drenai Empire into the fucking ground. Ceska overtaxes the people and terrorizes them by using his armies to burn, slaughter, rape, pillage and terrorize his own people for real or imagined issues. At one point, the heroes come across a village where there's been a complete slaughter: the village leaders have been crucified, men, women and children butchered and the place in ashes. Other evil deeds?

- When one famous gladiator was expecting to fight a human being, Ceska randomly had him pitted up against a Joining (For the record, Joinings are about 7-8 feet tall, stronger than any human being and twice as fast. The guy won, which is nuts on its own, but had his face ripped off.'

- Got an army, his own elite force no less, dead to nearly the last man and had its leader forcibly turned into a Joining.

- When rebellion brews in Skoda, Ceska sends his men with intent to turn it into, ahem 'rivers of blood.'

- Randomly points at his own inner circle members and screams 'traitor' (It's indicated Ceska can read minds to some extent, so he can probably tell when someone is thinking less than flattering thoughts. Or believes he can, anyways). That man will then die horribly.

Freudian Excuse and Heinous Standard?

Ceska is simply nutso. He has no sad backstory or redeeming qualities to speak of. He appears pretty seldom in the book, but when he does, he's a giggling lunatic who thinks he can do whatever he wants by virtue of being Emperor.

The heinous standard...Ceska is probaably the most heinous villain in the series. He's a freaking nutjob who terrorizes his own people with enormous casualties and suffering, nevermind his attempted bodycount. There are conquerors and brutal bastards in the Drenai series, but Ceska is in a special class all of his own. Adding to that horror, is that he's not a conqueror like others...he's just The Caligula terrorizing people who are rebelling because he kept killing people.

Just to give you an idea of what the villain in the first book is like? His name is Ulric, the Khan of the Mongol Fantasy Counterpart Culture, the Nadir. He's an ambitious conqueror, but he's polite, courteous and honors his enemies. In Ulric's own words, when one Earl stands against his hordes with a far more meager force? "I loved him for it." And when one of the greatest heroes of the Drenai falls against the Nadir, Ulric recovers his body to give a hero's funeral...and then allows his enemies to attend. When asked by his descendant, Tenaka Khan, why Ulric didn't just end the war there and take them captive. Ulric simply asks "Would you?"

There are exceptions, but most villains tend to be complex or just on the opposite side. Most of Ceska's men have serious issues with him (minus his Chaos Priest death cult who're just "awesome bloodshed, bro!") and one soldier grouses to one disguised hero how much it sucks they're being sent to fight their own people.

All in all, easy keep, I'd say.

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I've modified Star Wars. Let me know what y'all think

I've also set up Dance In The Vampire Bund, Devilman, and Pretty Cure. I'll work on them next weekend the latest.

edited 28th Nov '14 7:36:45 AM by ACW

Ceska

Emperor Ceska.

So Dragon Age: Inquisition has been out for about over a week. I beat it a couple of days ago and I think that there's a very strong candidate: The Elder One. I'll be using spoiler tags since the game came out so recently.

Who is he?

Corypheus (also known as the Elder One) is an ancient mage and High Priest of the Old God Dumat. 1,000 years ago, he attempted to become a god but became a hideous monster instead. He was eventually sealed away. He serves as the antagonist of Dragon Age II's "Legacy" DLC, where he doesn't do anything particularly heinous. He is presumably killed at the end of "Legacy", but the ending implies that he managed to escape and he returns as the Big Bad of Inquisition. Corypheus believes that the world of Thedas needs a god and so he resolves to become one, no matter how many people he has to kill.

What are his crimes?

Sometime before the start of DAI, Corypheus obtains a magical orb that allows him to obtain an Anchor that will allow him to become a god, at the cost of causing a huge explosion and creating a Breach in the sky that will eventually destroy the world. This Breach also constantly spews out demons who love to kill people. Corypheus chooses to use this orb at a peace conference that was supposed to end the horrific war between the templars and the mages. The explosion ends all talk of peace and sends Thedas into chaos.

Corypheus tricks the templars into consuming red lyrium, a Fantastic Drug that turns its users into monsters, so they will become his private army. Corypheus tricks the Grey Wardens into performing a ritual that turns them all into his slaves. Corypheus's army sacks the village of Haven and enslaves the people of another town and works them to death in a quarry.

When Corypheus's plans are foiled, he goes berserk and attempts to use the Breach to destroy the world out of spite.

Are his actions heinous by the standard of the work?

Yes. The damage Corypheus causes is comparable in the franchise only to that caused by the Archdemon in Dragon Age: Origins. And unlike the Archdemon, Corypheus is fully in control of his actions and is very calculating in how to cause harm.

Any mitagating factors?

He appears to believe that his becoming a god will be good for Thedas, but that just means that he has a huge ego. He never shows any sign of caring for others.

Corypheus is infected with the Blight, which can erode its victims sanity, but it's made clear that Corypheus controls his Blight and not the other way.

Does he qualify?

I vote yes. He's a mass murderer with no redeeming features.

edited 28th Nov '14 11:02:33 AM by lrrose

So the Faith–Heel Turn on his character page is more It's All About Me? As for the archdemon: Brainwashed and Crazy? Anyway, his actions seem heinous, but how much characterization is he given? Not just a generic Take Over the World/Destroy the world villain?
Lighty, is Count Vidian a CM in both Rebels and a New Dawn?

edited 28th Nov '14 12:00:25 PM by ACW

The Elder One

Vidian dies in A New Dawn, actually.

Not voting on the Elder One because I don't know all of Inquisition's story yet (though I do know who he is) and so am not going to read those spoilers yet.